EVE General Discussion

Since the other thread devolved into a pissing contest back and forth I am going to attempt to start a thread to cover potential changes to FW mechanics.

Some background on myself:
Started EVE in 2008, after a couple of months as a newbie doing everything from mining, ratting, missions etc to make minimal isk and such I got tired of it and took a 4-year break from Eve.
A little over a year ago I read somewhere about FW and decided to give Eve a try again and resubbed specifically to join FW and do PvP.

Farming LP has and will always be a part of FW. I did it when I started and still do it now to fund my PvP activities vi isk and faction ships. I even made an alt on a second account just to Farm LP while I PvP on my main as they built up SP for combat. Now days I will use both toons concurrently to either purely farm LP, purely PvP, or split duties. In fact without adequate farming activities I would have gone broke from PvP within the first week or two when I just started FW so I fully appreciate the need to have income through acquiring FW LP.

The issue I see it is not one of farming but enabling the farmers to dictate WZ control. By enabling farmers to dictate WZ control the folks who want to PvP are spending nearly all of their EVE time chasing away farmers or deplexing a system from the damage the PvE characters have done.

Points that I feel most people can agree on

• I agree that system and WZ control (or lack thereof) should have rewards much like the current tier mechanism does today.
• I agree that if people want to have the benefit of a higher tier their militia should have to hold system
• I agree that you should have to do something to gain and maintain control of a system
• I agree that their needs to be a mechanism in place to enable LP farming in whatever ships/fittings you so choose to use

One proposal for discussion I would like to bring forward is and idea similar to exploration sites. Use that concept to have something analogous to rated and unrated combat sites. Call them rated and unrated FW complex's.

• The unrated FW complexes would be that bastion of farmers where LP payout is lower by X% to account for the potential for significantly lower risk to being killed and the impact to WZ control is significantly lower as well.


• The rated FW sites would essentially be the exact same as the ones we have today with the restrictions of not allowing warp cores stabs, not allowing any cloaks that are not Cov Ops.

This basically says that you can farm to your hearts content in the cloaked and stabbed farming ships and you are essentially safe from PvP but to compensate for that safety you will get a lower LP payout and have a lower impact on WZ control.

This also means that if you want to take a system you will at some point need to step up and run the rated FW plex's and it enables those who want PvP to not have to spend all of their time defending from the farmers when defending by running a couple rated plex's will counteract a large number of the unrated plex's the farmers have run.

Please only constructive discourse.

Burt

devolution in 3....2...1....

People QQcatting about FW miss a few vital things

1. FW is an ISK sink - ISK is removed from the game when LP is cashed in
2. FW encourages ship losses, which creates ship demand, which reduce ship prices to encourage pew pew - FW keeps the market healthy.

If you reduce LP income in FW you are going to

1. Reduce an ISK sink, promoting inflation
2. Slow the market down, promoting stagnation

All this.

What it all boils down is some vindictive kids are butthurt their 20 man gang couldn't get tackle and gank a lone Condor.

I've just finished reading the other forum post on this topic, in addition to this one. I'm a lowsec resident myself. I spend my time pirating in Faction Warfare space, as a neutral, and looking for fights. Like many others, over the past month or two, the surge in stabbed, cloaky LP farmers is noticeable, to say the least. I agree with the point that LP farming in a cloaky and/or stabbed ship is detrimental to the game-play mechanic of FW.

I agree with what many others have suggested: A timer change. I think this is a very simple solution and will have a positive effect. No one limits the LP farmer from entering the plex and farming. However, should he leave - or cloak - and not opt to defend the plex, the timer resets. When you minimize the risk in this game, the reward (or even the potential for a reward) should be minimized as well.

+1 for Timer Change

Also, thank you to everyone that has spent a lot of time discussing this topic. With more awareness and voices, hopefully something will change.

Have you ever thought why noone that has been in FW for a while gives a sh** about WZ control? It´s exactly because they can´t do much to change or hold it anyway. It swings back and forth and it will keep doing so, until some mechanics change. Everyone that lives in FW for some time learns that and either starts to ignore or abuse it.

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im also in fw with small corp , we teach our newbros to farm in tech1 pvp fitted ships , you get as much lp as with stabbs fitted and you can use d scan to tell if sombody comes into plex. you cant win as newbe? np you already aligt to a new safe to w8 it out or check other systems.

last week on of our nwebie got their very first kill inside a plex , so exited he was , that had not happen i i told to fit stabbs & cloack.

its not the fault of game mechanics , its the fault of bad ceos and so called veterans who tell newbros tey should run missies, mining and farming in stabbs & cloacks , this is freaking eve , newbies should be trained to murder pillage & ****...

for the so called veteran with farming alts , tey do it wrong , i make plenty of isk with this pvp main with farming in pvp ships even that i loose alot , check the kb.


That said , i dont think your idea is a bad one tho , but i think the main reason nothing will change is what said above me

sorry for the very bad english o/

As the OP admitted himself that this is essentially a restart of a previous discussion, it gets a lock.
Also, as it is presented a proposal for a change in game mechanics regarding Factional Warfare, it should belong in Features & Ideas. but as there are a plethora of threads on that subject already, it would also get locked there.

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