Player Features and Ideas Discussion

That statement is insane. Makes no sense. Nothign changed in that regards. The guy from outside still does nto know what is behind door number 1. Does not matter the changes. The chanceof beign a trap is still EXACLTY the same

I think I get the logic, but let me confirm: If I am a pirate with a scout, and I see a MSI inside a complex, with the first MSI iteration, the PvEer would see me coming and run away, so I would go in blind myself for a better chance at catching him, taking the risk that it's a trap. With the second iteration, the PvEer does not see me coming, so there's no need to put myself in the path of danger, making sending the scout in (and not falling into a trap myself) obvious.

A couple points:

1) The scout himself is a pirate, and for him the risk is still high, since if it is a trap, he will lose his ship senselessly and proceed to waste time re-shipping. Yeah, this can be mitigated by using an alt, but if we're using alts, the PvEer could have a cloaked alt outside the complex, watching d-scan.

2) Scouts are almost always also tackle. They are the best equipped to catch things, and that is precisely why they always go in first. I would send the scout in first especially with the first iteration of the MSI, and with greater urgency

Since it does not seem you are familiar with how a cautious deployment into a solo/small gang fight goes, the order is this:

1. Send scout(s)/tackler(s) in. They rush to lock down the most valuable targets (by whatever criteria).
2. Send main combat ships in. They rush to get secondary tackle, since by this point the scout(s)/tackler(s) are probably in a world of hurt, and possibly dead.
3. Send vulnerable support in. Electronic warfare, remote repair, etc comes in last to draw the least attention. They "seal the deal".

If I'm solo, remove steps 2 and 3. If at any point it's revealed to be a trap, or a fight I/we definitely can't handle, I/we cancel all further steps in deployment, and make all efforts to escape. With luck, only a scout or two actually die in a trap.

None of this approach changes between the first and second iteration of the MSI. The gang is just as blind in both cases, and just as likely to send scouts in first.

Lol, this is just dumb. No solo PvEr should even consider using this, it is a guaranteed death trap.

Not just that, I realize you can have a cloaky alt outside the MSI, which technically isn't solo and would also cut into potential profits, but the MSI is now 15m isk and only lasts an hour in addition to that. I can't see Solo PVErs ever using it as the reward for the risks is not worth it when you factor in this cost. People will just stay in high sec rather than having to worry about mashing d-scan every second for a little more isk/hr.

I would also argue that the MSI would enable PVErs to not be forced to mash D-scan constantly and therefore increase the likelyhood that a skilled pirate could enter the system and quickly scan down the MSI, being faster to warp to than if you were scanning a ship itself, and catch their prey in a moment where they forgot to hit D-scan.

When you know you have to hit d-scan constantly you will do it consistently, but if you only have to do something intermittently, you are more likely to miss your timing. If you were able to use the former iteration of the MSI, you could afford yourself some moments away from spamming D-scan for this to happen.

LOL.

Profits.

Those were also my points. $1-2m ISK and 50m3 is more reasonable if they're only going to last an hour. I'd rather see that than extending the timer to 2 hours.

Any guy with a 10+ bil capital fleet farming wormholes will do so that, unless he is 1. lazy 2. stupid.

So tell me.... do many people in your corp box caps 30km from the warp-in and not use d-scan?


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DOH! You got me. Should have looked at your corp name first. Well played.

@Fozzie

MSI
What you still need to cover is the possible abuse in deadspace pockets with an acceleration gate, especially in FW outposts. Those pockets are pretty safe already any attempt to check what is inside with a scout is potential suicide.

The MSI+drag bubble combo can be abused in a lot of ways. Just think about 2x smartbombing BS + 3-5 longrange Alpha BS equals in killing 90% of all scouting attempts, all BS have of course MJD or pre deployed MMJU to gtfo if something goes south.



@Petrus Blackshell

The EHP on the MMJU is pretty good with 5k that equals to ~72 DPS to kill in 70s. Think about that Fozzie had to cover 1kiting vs 1brawling T1 Frigs. With more EHP or a shorter deploying time it would have been a 100% get out of jail free card for the brawling Frig, everytime. I can understand you hate the LML Condors and especially the dual damp Hook, me too. But you must give the kiting ship a chance to kill the brawling ship.

You have two options, deploy it pre fight if you aren't sure what kind of ship is coming and you are truesolo (Hooks can still be AB+scram+web+TD) and test the enemy before you get out. Second option, you deploy midfight and let the kiter think "i'm losing, i have to get out" and the kiter has to kill the MMJU while you gain at least extra 50-70sec to get a friend in a non obvious anti kiting ship (MWD Incursus, Kestrel, Merlin etc)

Fozzies changes to the MMJU now forces you to think about it, should i pre deploy to get a 100% out of jail for free card or not. The testing window with a pre deployed MMJU (at worst ~50s) vs 1x T1 Frig is enough time to make the gtfo decsion.






Congratulations Priestess Lin, you are the first person on the EVE-O forum i'm blocking.

Really don't understand the point of the Scan Inhibitor. Way too easy to scan down, doesn't last nearly long enough, and makes people inside blind? Why would anyone ever use this?