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Atuesuel
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-01-09 06:17:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Atuesuel
just want to chuck this idea out there its probably been said be for but missiles need to have counters, guns get disrupted but nothing for missiles. was thinking like flares for mid points or some thing .
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#2 - 2014-01-09 06:23:49 UTC
Atuesuel wrote:
just want to chuck this idea out there its probably been said be for but missiles need to have counters, guns get disrupted but nothing for missiles. was thinking like flare like system or some thing.

Missiles already have counters. They kick-in as soon as you install them… Lol
Seriously, do you know what the damage application for Heavy Missiles against an AB Cruiser is? 26%. That's with 3 ballistic controllers and V skills. That means you can negate 74% of damage just by lighting an afterburner. Still think they need a counter?

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Pipa Porto
#3 - 2014-01-09 09:10:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Pipa Porto
Smartbombs. Afterburners. MWDs (you may be able to actually outrun the missile). Defender Missiles (Almost exactly like flares).
Granite. Abacus.

All counters.

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Atuesuel
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2014-01-09 14:11:51 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Smartbombs. Afterburners. MWDs (you may be able to actually outrun the missile). Defender Missiles (Almost exactly like flares).
Granite. Abacus.

All counters.


you have to have a missile hard point to fit them.
Notorious Fellon
#5 - 2014-01-09 14:24:09 UTC
Atuesuel wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Smartbombs. Afterburners. MWDs (you may be able to actually outrun the missile). Defender Missiles (Almost exactly like flares).
Granite. Abacus.

All counters.


you have to have a missile hard point to fit them.



Fit an AB and win. I am curious where you are seeing any opponent firing missiles on you. Towers in missions maybe?

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Pipa Porto
#6 - 2014-01-09 18:18:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Pipa Porto
Atuesuel wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Smartbombs. Afterburners. MWDs (you may be able to actually outrun the missile). Defender Missiles (Almost exactly like flares).
Granite. Abacus.

All counters.


you have to have a missile hard point to fit them.


You have to have a missile hardpoint to fit a Smartbomb or an Afterburner? News to me.

Nulli Knows how to fit ships, everybody.


Anyway, it's almost like you have to make fitting and hull choices depending on your expected circumstances. What Sorcery is this?

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scorchlikeshiswhiskey
Totally Abstract
O X I D E
#7 - 2014-01-09 20:41:00 UTC
Atuesuel wrote:
just want to chuck this idea out there its probably been said be for but missiles need to have counters, guns get disrupted but nothing for missiles. was thinking like flares for mid points or some thing .

Well if AB's, Defenders (although a little busted), MWD's for the fast guys, and smartbombs aren't enough of a counter for you to survive against the usually terri-bad application of missile damage then sure you can have your missile disruptors.

I'll agree to you getting missile disruptors when I get scripted mid-slot modules for damage application by missiles. Missiles only get Ballistic Controls and rigs. Turrets get Gyro's, TC's, and TE's as well as rigs. However, both sides benefit from TP's and webs so those count for both. Any way you look at it, turrets pretty much seem to be coming out ahead here. So I'll trade you a missile disruptor mod for 2 mid-slot missile modules that don't come with a corresponding nerf to missile stats.

Do we have a deal?
I am disposable
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2014-01-10 01:50:06 UTC
Until they actually make missiles worth a ****, absolutely not.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#9 - 2014-01-10 02:55:17 UTC
I am disposable wrote:
Until they actually make missiles worth a ****, absolutely not.

And even then, absolutely not.

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I am disposable
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2014-01-10 04:04:02 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
I am disposable wrote:
Until they actually make missiles worth a ****, absolutely not.

And even then, absolutely not.


I'd actually like to see defender missile launchers that can be fit to utility high slots, but only after offensive missiles are fixed.
Daenika
Chambers of Shaolin
#11 - 2014-01-10 04:59:00 UTC
Missile have no direct specific hostile EWAR counter, but they also don't gain the damage application benefits of things like Tracking Computers and Tracking Enhancers. Can't make them susceptible to Tracking Disruptors without letting them fit to counter it.

Also, ECM and damps work wonders. Or, you know, Defender Missiles, the item type which has literally no purpose except to counter missiles.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#12 - 2014-01-10 06:31:49 UTC
Daenika wrote:
Or, you know, Defender Missiles, the item type which has literally no purpose except to counter missiles.

Ever tried them? Roll

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Joe Boirele
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2014-01-12 02:34:19 UTC
Daenika wrote:

Also, ECM and damps work wonders. Or, you know, Defender Missiles, the item type which has literally no purpose except to counter missiles.

Though they're still not good at it.

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Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#14 - 2014-01-12 06:49:43 UTC
Defenders dont work properly.

You have to manually activate the launcher for every-single-volley the enemy shoots at you.

That means you have to press F2 or whatever every 3 seconds to fire that defender.

Fun huh?
Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#15 - 2014-01-12 09:02:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Zan Shiro
Notorious Fellon wrote:

Fit an AB and win. I am curious where you are seeing any opponent firing missiles on you. Towers in missions maybe?



probably in a frigate. CCP took years to have a thread topic go something like "please give me ideas of a solo caldari frigate for pvp" not be the classic troll bait thread topic it used to be. So of course this has to be fixed.
Yolo
Unknown Nation
#16 - 2014-01-12 09:20:11 UTC
Speed
Signature radius
Range (Missiles has a limited travel time)
Defenders
SmartBombs
a brain?

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Cheng Musana
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2014-01-12 10:17:23 UTC
Only when missiles get modules to project their damage better. Something like "ballistic navigation computer/enhancer". Until then no ewar vs. missiles. Well you could aswell just use sensor dampeners to force the enemy to get closer.
Gawain Edmond
Khanid Bureau of Industry
#18 - 2014-01-12 11:26:36 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Atuesuel wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Smartbombs. Afterburners. MWDs (you may be able to actually outrun the missile). Defender Missiles (Almost exactly like flares).
Granite. Abacus.

All counters.


you have to have a missile hard point to fit them.


You have to have a missile hardpoint to fit a Smartbomb or an Afterburner? News to me.

Nulli Knows how to fit ships, everybody.


Anyway, it's almost like you have to make fitting and hull choices depending on your expected circumstances. What Sorcery is this?



it's not like it was obvious that he was talking about defender missiles!
Atuesuel
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2014-01-21 03:24:12 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Atuesuel wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Smartbombs. Afterburners. MWDs (you may be able to actually outrun the missile). Defender Missiles (Almost exactly like flares).
Granite. Abacus.

All counters.


you have to have a missile hard point to fit them.


You have to have a missile hardpoint to fit a Smartbomb or an Afterburner? News to me.

Nulli Knows how to fit ships, everybody.


Anyway, it's almost like you have to make fitting and hull choices depending on your expected circumstances. What Sorcery is this?



im sorry did not know Defender Missiles can just fit to ships
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#20 - 2014-01-21 03:28:17 UTC
Let's not forget the most commonly used countermeasure in highsec corps and some sad null ones: dock up.

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