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Faction Warfare: Moving Forward.....

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Uppsy Daisy
State War Academy
Caldari State
#601 - 2011-11-21 12:25:22 UTC
Har Harrison wrote:
. Corp mates repping corp members who are in FW when they are not in FW... That's a REAL good idea...


FW is absolutely rife with non-FW alts remote repping FW players!
Damassys Kadesh
Royal Khanid Hunting Society
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#602 - 2011-11-21 19:37:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Damassys Kadesh
I couldn't even find the post I thought I made in this thread... and I may be way late here but I just want to make sure I said:

Soundwave's NPC removal proposal would be awful.

People have already noted why. Spreading a sparse war even thinner, trade-hub camping and brutal station games, Militia members with low sec can't join high-sec fights, zero safety for casual and new players while they prep/shop.

The edited OP is a one-stop-shop for issues that need fixing, and extreme elaboration on all of them can be reviewed by reading through this threadnought.

Sourem Itharen > Congratulations Lady Kadesh, you have been selected by trial of fire and blood, under the watchful eyes of God, to represent Lord Khanid as his champion in the Imperial Succession trials -YC117

Damassys Kadesh
Royal Khanid Hunting Society
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#603 - 2011-11-21 19:52:14 UTC
Here's a request for you Hans, as if you haven't poured enough time into this already What?:

You've communicated with the CSM and recommended that we share our voice as well, can you provide some simple steps on who/how to communicate with to be most effective?

I'm a very casual player (hence my sparse presence on the forums and my EVE lifestyle choice.... FW) so it would be appreciated if you could point me in the right direction, having already engaged in it... I wouldn't know where to start Straight.

Sourem Itharen > Congratulations Lady Kadesh, you have been selected by trial of fire and blood, under the watchful eyes of God, to represent Lord Khanid as his champion in the Imperial Succession trials -YC117

Hainnz
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#604 - 2011-11-21 23:37:36 UTC
I would keep the FW missions solo-able, at least the levels 1-3 missions. This game already has a serious lack of fun solo/casual things to do in it. No point in making it worse.
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#605 - 2011-11-22 05:30:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Hans Jagerblitzen
Damassys Kadesh wrote:
Here's a request for you Hans, as if you haven't poured enough time into this already What?:

You've communicated with the CSM and recommended that we share our voice as well, can you provide some simple steps on who/how to communicate with to be most effective?

I'm a very casual player (hence my sparse presence on the forums and my EVE lifestyle choice.... FW) so it would be appreciated if you could point me in the right direction, having already engaged in it... I wouldn't know where to start Straight.


No problem Damassys - I'm in the middle of answering some questions for Shalee's blog, which should answer your questions specifically along with a few others. I'll deliver them to her ASAP and she can post em up, I've just finished a crazy busy work week, barely time to sleep even between shifts, so pardon my brief (by my normal wall-o-text standards) answer here.

I promise I'll get back to you.....Soon(TM) Blink

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary

Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#606 - 2011-11-22 16:04:11 UTC
Super Chair wrote:
Whats wrong with making dessies stronger? They're cheap, and more accessable to newer players, everyone can fly them. What FW needs is new blood and not 100 bitter vets that ignore all the new players who end up leaving the militia because everything thinks said person is a spy, or isnt worth taking into their fleet.



I don't have much of a problem with making them stronger but they no longer belong in minor plexes. They are going to completely overpower everything else that can go in them.

The only problem I have is that if they are going to be somewhere right between cruisers and frigates then they should have a scan resolution between a frigate and cruiser. Right thrashers have very high scan resolutions (I haven't checked the other destroyers)

Not only will new players not be able to fly *any* other frigates in minors but I anticipate it will be much harder to travel through gates (even with frigates) due to sensor boosted arty thrashers at every turn.

Again I think the comparision between cruisers and bcs should apply. Cruisers have a better scan res than bcs frigates should have a better scan res than destroyers.

As far as whether they are cheap and easy to get into they are so so. Its easier to train for faction frigates. Faction frigates are a bit more expensive but not much. Those tech 2 guns get expensive on destroyers. Moreover getting a racial frigate to five at least opens up more things for a new low sec pilot than destroyer 5.

Finally, because so many of their slots are high slots Advanced Weapons Upgrades becomes an important skill to train. I still don't have mine at 5 and, for me, just about the only reason to train it to 5 is to fly destroyers.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

Simyaldee
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#607 - 2011-11-22 18:17:07 UTC
Indeed a reduction in scan resolution for the destroyers would be a good way to re-balance them if it is needed. The obvious solution is just to add more classes of Plexes. One for T1 Frigs only, one for T1 Frigs and Dessies, so on and so on.

Obviously this is all just blowing smoke. Seven days till the expansion and no FW fixes in sight. For half the stuff were asking it wouldn't even TAKE that long. Like the Plex spawn time fixes. It annoys me the CCP is ignoring something that affects hundreds if not thousands of players in EVE and what would undoubtedly get them more Subs.

Member, Fighter and FC for The Great Harmon Institute of Technology 

Damassys Kadesh
Royal Khanid Hunting Society
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#608 - 2011-11-22 19:44:03 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
I promise I'll get back to you.....Soon(TM) Blink


Thanks a lot. I receive notifications on this thread, so I'll just keep an eye out for it.

Or you can message me directly or whatever is easiest.

Sourem Itharen > Congratulations Lady Kadesh, you have been selected by trial of fire and blood, under the watchful eyes of God, to represent Lord Khanid as his champion in the Imperial Succession trials -YC117

Shalee Lianne
Banana-Republic.
Shadow Cartel
#609 - 2011-11-23 02:44:02 UTC
We should probably stop asking for anything and just be happy we are getting pretty clouds and stuff.

/tired of being optimistic
http://amarrian.blogspot.com/  ~ Roleplay blog. http://sovereigntywars.wordpress.com/ ~ Faction War blog.
ghost st
Sua Sponte
#610 - 2011-11-23 12:21:42 UTC
FW needs more than just fixes against meta-gaming.


Imo, FW lowsec should 'feel' like a warzone. Going into enemy occupied territory should feel like it, getting attacked by enemy npcs when you cross into thier space, enemy (npc) resistance should be heavier the further you go into thier occupied space. Likewise friendly territory should feel friendly, with npcs manning posts at gates and such, protecting you should you come under fire, and engaging the opposing faction should they enter.

In other words the FW ai needs to be able to tell friend from foe, and act accordingly. Something the AI is currently not capable of.

Bengal Bob
Slymsloot Enterprises
#611 - 2011-11-23 13:08:02 UTC
I realize CCP has no real plans for FW, or at least none they want to let slip.

A QUICK fix would be to resolve ONE of the issues we have in low sec.

Basically MANY neutral people come into Minmatar low sec systems. Most of these people are either sekret Amarrian sympathisers or just look at us funny. For self defence reasons, many of these people are pre-emptively killed to preserve the security of our systems and/or prevent them supporting the Amarr.

My suggestion is simple. FW Warriors should receive a sec status gain from killing members of the opposing faction. This will allow us to police FW areas and not have to waste time ratting. We wouldn't mind going flashy except for the annoying faction standing loss from repping friendlies(which is apparently unfixable), so this way will keep everyone slightly happier.

So CCP, help US help YOU. Give us sec status from killing the Amarr rats!!!
Shalee Lianne
Banana-Republic.
Shadow Cartel
#612 - 2011-11-23 15:50:13 UTC
Oh wow, I really do like that idea. It'd be great to get some kind of sec boost for doing our jobs in militia.
http://amarrian.blogspot.com/  ~ Roleplay blog. http://sovereigntywars.wordpress.com/ ~ Faction War blog.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#613 - 2011-11-23 16:28:41 UTC
Bengal Bob wrote:
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Basically MANY neutral people come into Minmatar low sec systems. Most of these people are either sekret Amarrian sympathisers or just look at us funny. For self defence reasons, many of these people are pre-emptively killed to preserve the security of our systems and/or prevent them supporting the Amarr.



How can anyone not look at you funny. If you looked in the mirror you would look at yourself funny. Might I suggest that you, and your minmatar friends with names like "Silence I kill you", are just paranoid.


IMO they should just make the sec status hits much smaller when you kill someone in low sec.

As I recall concord is sort of a police force that the factions all agreed on. Gaining favor with them by killing the other faction seems a bit odd but it could be done. It could actually lead to some interesting game play.

Say Gallente loses a bunch of systems. Maybe they would get upset with concord boosting the sec status of all the caldari that are killing gallente pilots. Maybe even enough that they pull out part of their regions from concord control! Then maybe portions Gallente high sec space would be patroled by the gallente navy and otherwise be like low or null sec. This could change over time.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

Bengal Bob
Slymsloot Enterprises
#614 - 2011-11-23 19:23:45 UTC
Cearain wrote:
Bengal Bob wrote:
...
Basically MANY neutral people come into Minmatar low sec systems. Most of these people are either sekret Amarrian sympathisers or just look at us funny. For self defence reasons, many of these people are pre-emptively killed to preserve the security of our systems and/or prevent them supporting the Amarr.



How can anyone not look at you funny. If you looked in the mirror you would look at yourself funny. Might I suggest that you, and your minmatar friends with names like "Silence I kill you", are just paranoid.


IMO they should just make the sec status hits much smaller when you kill someone in low sec.

As I recall concord is sort of a police force that the factions all agreed on. Gaining favor with them by killing the other faction seems a bit odd but it could be done. It could actually lead to some interesting game play.

Say Gallente loses a bunch of systems. Maybe they would get upset with concord boosting the sec status of all the caldari that are killing gallente pilots. Maybe even enough that they pull out part of their regions from concord control! Then maybe portions Gallente high sec space would be patroled by the gallente navy and otherwise be like low or null sec. This could change over time.


Learn to humour Sad
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#615 - 2011-11-23 20:14:19 UTC
Bengal Bob wrote:
Cearain wrote:
Bengal Bob wrote:
...
Basically MANY neutral people come into Minmatar low sec systems. Most of these people are either sekret Amarrian sympathisers or just look at us funny. For self defence reasons, many of these people are pre-emptively killed to preserve the security of our systems and/or prevent them supporting the Amarr.



How can anyone not look at you funny. If you looked in the mirror you would look at yourself funny. Might I suggest that you, and your minmatar friends with names like "Silence I kill you", are just paranoid.


IMO they should just make the sec status hits much smaller when you kill someone in low sec.

As I recall concord is sort of a police force that the factions all agreed on. Gaining favor with them by killing the other faction seems a bit odd but it could be done. It could actually lead to some interesting game play.

Say Gallente loses a bunch of systems. Maybe they would get upset with concord boosting the sec status of all the caldari that are killing gallente pilots. Maybe even enough that they pull out part of their regions from concord control! Then maybe portions Gallente high sec space would be patroled by the gallente navy and otherwise be like low or null sec. This could change over time.


Learn to humour Sad


Roll

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#616 - 2011-11-23 21:57:33 UTC
Bengal Bob wrote:


A QUICK fix would be to resolve ONE of the issues we have in low sec.

Basically MANY neutral people come into Minmatar low sec systems. Most of these people are either sekret Amarrian sympathisers or just look at us funny. For self defence reasons, many of these people are pre-emptively killed to preserve the security of our systems and/or prevent them supporting the Amarr.

My suggestion is simple. FW Warriors should receive a sec status gain from killing members of the opposing faction. This will allow us to police FW areas and not have to waste time ratting. We wouldn't mind going flashy except for the annoying faction standing loss from repping friendlies(which is apparently unfixable), so this way will keep everyone slightly happier.

So CCP, help US help YOU. Give us sec status from killing the Amarr rats!!!



Hahahahaha nice. I wholeheartedly support this. [AUTOZ] also has quite a bit of negative sec status from our relentless effort to "preserve security" by nuking anyone we suspect of being "sekret Amarrian sympathisers" or "Neutral industrials fueling the Pandemic Legion warmachine" .....and its JUST NOT FAIR. Why must we punished by gate guns when all we are trying to do is keep the area safe for the minmatar tribes? Pirate

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary

Ephia
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#617 - 2011-11-23 23:30:15 UTC
Bengal Bob wrote:
I realize CCP has no real plans for FW, or at least none they want to let slip.

A QUICK fix would be to resolve ONE of the issues we have in low sec.

Basically MANY neutral people come into Minmatar low sec systems. Most of these people are either sekret Amarrian sympathisers or just look at us funny. For self defence reasons, many of these people are pre-emptively killed to preserve the security of our systems and/or prevent them supporting the Amarr.

My suggestion is simple. FW Warriors should receive a sec status gain from killing members of the opposing faction. This will allow us to police FW areas and not have to waste time ratting. We wouldn't mind going flashy except for the annoying faction standing loss from repping friendlies(which is apparently unfixable), so this way will keep everyone slightly happier.

So CCP, help US help YOU. Give us sec status from killing the Amarr rats!!!


It's sounds lovely, but can't ever make a reward for kiling opposing players apart from loot.

If this idea was ever implemented anyone wanting to repair their sec status would just join the militia, make an alt in the opposing militia, then kill the alt over and over again.

All systems that reward players for killing members of the opposing faction are open to this abuse.

This is why the reward system must be plexes or missions
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#618 - 2011-11-23 23:40:34 UTC
Ephia wrote:
Bengal Bob wrote:
I realize CCP has no real plans for FW, or at least none they want to let slip.

A QUICK fix would be to resolve ONE of the issues we have in low sec.

Basically MANY neutral people come into Minmatar low sec systems. Most of these people are either sekret Amarrian sympathisers or just look at us funny. For self defence reasons, many of these people are pre-emptively killed to preserve the security of our systems and/or prevent them supporting the Amarr.

My suggestion is simple. FW Warriors should receive a sec status gain from killing members of the opposing faction. This will allow us to police FW areas and not have to waste time ratting. We wouldn't mind going flashy except for the annoying faction standing loss from repping friendlies(which is apparently unfixable), so this way will keep everyone slightly happier.

So CCP, help US help YOU. Give us sec status from killing the Amarr rats!!!


It's sounds lovely, but can't ever make a reward for kiling opposing players apart from loot.

If this idea was ever implemented anyone wanting to repair their sec status would just join the militia, make an alt in the opposing militia, then kill the alt over and over again.

All systems that reward players for killing members of the opposing faction are open to this abuse.

This is why the reward system must be plexes or missions


I think he was kidding.

At the risk of being laughed at, I will say it might work with the npcs though.

Thing is not all militia members want a high sec status though. If they want a low sec status and killed allot of npcs they would have to grind non combatants to keep their sec status low.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

Simyaldee
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#619 - 2011-11-25 23:31:51 UTC
Well it looks like there will be no Faction Warfare updates in the near future. Couldn't even take the five seconds to tell us even that there WON'T be an update in the upcoming patch.

Member, Fighter and FC for The Great Harmon Institute of Technology 

Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#620 - 2011-11-26 02:33:40 UTC
Everyone, please speak out in opposition to the CSM's handling of our discussion here.

Apparently, we are a "little thing" to be tacked onto a discussion about wormholes. If I am mistaken about the CSM's attitude about us, than I hope they clarify.

I won't say much more than that, I'm pretty upset at the moment. But please, focus your efforts on asking the CSM to make Faction Warfare a seperate and focused discussion, not a tacked on accessory to a thread about something else. Their handling of the topic belittlles our cause, and will not give it the gravitas necessary to convince CCP that is important enough to be talked about on its own merits once again.

Also, please do NOT fill this thread with a list of fixes. That work has already been done. If the CSM hasn't read the thread I am posting with, there's no point wasting your keystrokes repeating yourselves there.

What we need to do now is rally and convince the CSM to seperate FW from wormholes, and give the subject its own discussion.

Thank you all for your support.

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary