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Contract Hauling. Scammer paradise?

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ZynnLee Akkori
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-12-30 14:03:42 UTC
I'm thinking about getting into this for 20-30 jump contracts from high to low/lullsec. I seem to recall seeing bits and pieces in various chat channels that it's mostly just scam's to get people to carry expensive stuff into a pre-arranged gank.

So, what are the things to watch out for? Obviously, avoid the 'too good to be true' stuff. But beyond that, how might I go about filling contracts and avoiding scam's? Also, what sort of hull/fit should I be looking at?
Sky' Darkstar
Magnetar Dynamics
#2 - 2013-12-30 14:22:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Sky' Darkstar
I like the Viator (Blockade Runner) for courier contract running. You'll definitely need a blockade runner, or a scout if you are smuggling goods into/through low-sec. The cloak is your "tank" essentially, but I throw some medium shield extenders in the mids to get through the occasional bad smart bombing gate camp, and of course cargo hold expanders and cargo hold optimization rigs on it. Some people scream bloody murder against cargo expanders on 'cade runners and would rather sacrifice cargo space for other things like inertia stabs for faster aligning or overdrive injectors. But I don't run courier contracts in null, so there are no bubbles to worry about in low-sec, so I could care less about anything else in the lows.

As for Nullsec contracts, if the destination/pickup station isn't in NPC null, then it's probably a trap/scam due to the fact that 90% of player controlled null (except Providence) will not let you dock in their stations. If you do happen to take a contract for a pickup/drop off destination in a player controlled station and you can't dock, then you can kiss your collateral goodbye Sad

As for "pre-arranged ganks", I'm not too sure how much these actually exist. I could image gate camps being setup for low-sec border systems expecting someone in a non-cloaky/non-stabbed hauler to come through with the bait contract, but since I run cloaky haulers, I've never seen nor been a victim of this.

I'll add more info if I can think of anything later.

-Sky'

Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#3 - 2013-12-30 14:23:48 UTC
Don't get killed, and be careful with nullsec contracts as you might not always be able to dock at the station.

Else it's never a scam if you are happy with the reward. Even if that reward is 5,000 ISK for 100 jumps.

But yeah many too-good-to-be-true is most likely gank attempts in one form or the other. Accept with an alt, move with your main could be a way to disguise yourself from attempts.

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ZynnLee Akkori
Perkone
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-12-30 14:25:29 UTC
So stay away from Null. Check. And yet there seems to be all manner of people complaining about hi-sec carebears. Hey Null Sec people, get rid of the asshat's that give Null-sec a bad name, and maybe we'll come visit you from time to time!
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#5 - 2013-12-30 14:28:31 UTC
Yeah I second that delivering to sov nullsec can be tricky. Sometimes the trick is to let you dock with, say, your jump freighter, and then be waiting for you on the undock with a bubble. You undock, station owner kills your docking rights, you're bubbled and now you can't dock. I've seen it done. NPC null and low sec don't have that problem although you can be camped.
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#6 - 2013-12-30 14:29:17 UTC
ZynnLee Akkori wrote:
and maybe we'll come visit you from time to time!


We don't need you. And we like our ass-hats.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-12-30 15:07:55 UTC
ZynnLee Akkori wrote:
Hey Null Sec people, get rid of the asshat's that give Null-sec a bad name, and maybe we'll come visit you from time to time!


We're working on it, but purging 75% of the inhabitants of highsec from the game takes time & an extraordinary amount of coordination.

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ZynnLee Akkori
Perkone
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-12-30 15:10:41 UTC
You're suggesting High-sec people are what gives Null sec a bad name? Umm. okay....
Electrique Wizard
Mutually Lucrative Business Proposals
#9 - 2013-12-30 15:13:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Electrique Wizard
dont use a freighter/industrial/DST, only use blockade runners and jump freighters
check to see if the route to the system you're hauling to is hot
check to see if the station you're hauling to is a kickout
check to see if the station you're hauling to is non-NPC owned

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#10 - 2013-12-30 15:17:13 UTC
ZynnLee Akkori wrote:
You're suggesting High-sec people are what gives Null sec a bad name? Umm. okay....

Mostly, yes. After all, without any experience of it, they're free to come up with the most outrageous claims and spread among others who also have no experience and thus can't disagree.
Sky' Darkstar
Magnetar Dynamics
#11 - 2013-12-30 15:24:37 UTC
ZynnLee Akkori wrote:
Hey Null Sec people, get rid of the asshat's that give Null-sec a bad name, and maybe we'll come visit you from time to time!


As much as I hate "epic 0.0 blob warfare" I'll have to disagree with this.

It's their space, they conquered it/claimed it. If they can defend it, then they can do whatever they please with it. That includes playing kick out games with their station rights, as well as setting up contracts for haulers to trap themselves in.

It's simple though, and I'll refer to my previous informative post: Don't do courier contracts to/from player controlled null-sec.

-Sky'

Scarlett Wesson
Doomheim
#12 - 2013-12-30 15:24:52 UTC
ZynnLee Akkori wrote:
You're suggesting High-sec people are what gives Null sec a bad name? Umm. okay....


There is something you don't understand. Null-sec people (those on the forum, at least, I guess there are other ones who are not asshats but don't go on the forums) are just like Hi-sec wardeccers. They will taunt you because you stay in your risk free environment (station for wardeccers, empire for null-seccers), but they don't really want you to live in null, they just want you to go there and then kill you.

They taunt you so that you become a target for their blobs, that's all. And no, they will never acknowledge that this is their ****** mentality that causes their lack of targets, even though everyone else (and maybe even themselves) know it's true.
TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#13 - 2013-12-30 15:27:45 UTC
Ptraci wrote:
Yeah I second that delivering to sov nullsec can be tricky. Sometimes the trick is to let you dock with, say, your jump freighter, and then be waiting for you on the undock with a bubble. You undock, station owner kills your docking rights, you're bubbled and now you can't dock. I've seen it done. NPC null and low sec don't have that problem although you can be camped.


God someone has to be a gigantic idiot to be able to fly a JF and still jump it straight into hostile space even if you are able to dock. Characters of that age should know WAY better.

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#14 - 2013-12-30 15:28:20 UTC
If you've got the toons to do it, try using Blops + Blockade Runners.
ZynnLee Akkori
Perkone
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-12-30 15:35:24 UTC
Scarlett Wesson wrote:
ZynnLee Akkori wrote:
You're suggesting High-sec people are what gives Null sec a bad name? Umm. okay....


There is something you don't understand. Null-sec people (those on the forum, at least, I guess there are other ones who are not asshats but don't go on the forums) are just like Hi-sec wardeccers. They will taunt you because you stay in your risk free environment (station for wardeccers, empire for null-seccers), but they don't really want you to live in null, they just want you to go there and then kill you.

They taunt you so that you become a target for their blobs, that's all. And no, they will never acknowledge that this is their ****** mentality that causes their lack of targets, even though everyone else (and maybe even themselves) know it's true.


This sounds basically spot-on. "There is free candy and soda in Candyland! Don't be a scaredy-cat! Hi, you made it! SUCKER!" blap...

And then they compain in threads that high-sec makes too much isk and they "have" to have alts there to fund their asshattery in null.
Sky' Darkstar
Magnetar Dynamics
#16 - 2013-12-30 15:37:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Sky' Darkstar
ZynnLee Akkori wrote:
Scarlett Wesson wrote:
ZynnLee Akkori wrote:
You're suggesting High-sec people are what gives Null sec a bad name? Umm. okay....


There is something you don't understand. Null-sec people (those on the forum, at least, I guess there are other ones who are not asshats but don't go on the forums) are just like Hi-sec wardeccers. They will taunt you because you stay in your risk free environment (station for wardeccers, empire for null-seccers), but they don't really want you to live in null, they just want you to go there and then kill you.

They taunt you so that you become a target for their blobs, that's all. And no, they will never acknowledge that this is their ****** mentality that causes their lack of targets, even though everyone else (and maybe even themselves) know it's true.


This sounds basically spot-on. "There is free candy and soda in Candyland! Don't be a scaredy-cat! Hi, you made it! SUCKER!" blap...

And then they compain in threads that high-sec makes too much isk and they "have" to have alts there to fund their asshattery in null.



Just realized this was nothing more than a stealth nerf null-sec thread.

You should run courier contracts in an Obelisk through Fountain.

Edit: On auto-pilot.

-Sky'

ZynnLee Akkori
Perkone
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-12-30 15:47:14 UTC
Well, it's pretty much just trying to figure out how to avoid the asshats in Null. I'm not actually even sure how to go about nerfing nullsec. I'd just like to know more about the ways people who enjoy causing others grief apply it to Eve, and how to frustrate them if I were to get into contract hauling.
Sky' Darkstar
Magnetar Dynamics
#18 - 2013-12-30 15:51:27 UTC
ZynnLee Akkori wrote:
Well, it's pretty much just trying to figure out how to avoid the asshats in Null. I'm not actually even sure how to go about nerfing nullsec. I'd just like to know more about the ways people who enjoy causing others grief apply it to Eve, and how to frustrate them if I were to get into contract hauling.


If you really want to grief null-sec bears, grab a cov ops with an expanded prober, some combat probes, and fly out to their farming systems where their PVE carriers are. (This works even better/funnier if you're in a NPC corp and name your cov ops frig "cyno") Then make a safe spot, launch the combat probes, and minimize EVE to play other things.

*Bonus Griefer Points*
Once in a while pretend that you accidentally posted in local instead of an intel channel and say things in local like "2 thanny's in an anom, bookmark posted". or "yeah, about 150km off their POS shields".

-Sky'

ZynnLee Akkori
Perkone
Caldari State
#19 - 2013-12-30 16:36:09 UTC
Sky' Darkstar wrote:
ZynnLee Akkori wrote:
Well, it's pretty much just trying to figure out how to avoid the asshats in Null. I'm not actually even sure how to go about nerfing nullsec. I'd just like to know more about the ways people who enjoy causing others grief apply it to Eve, and how to frustrate them if I were to get into contract hauling.


If you really want to grief null-sec bears, grab a cov ops with an expanded prober, some combat probes, and fly out to their farming systems where their PVE carriers are. (This works even better/funnier if you're in a NPC corp and name your cov ops frig "cyno") Then make a safe spot, launch the combat probes, and minimize EVE to play other things.

*Bonus Griefer Points*
Once in a while pretend that you accidentally posted in local instead of an intel channel and say things in local like "2 thanny's in an anom, bookmark posted". or "yeah, about 150km off their POS shields".


Oh man, this is good. As soon as I figure out what the hell you said, I'm going to add it to my list to do. I wonder how long it would take to get an alt up to the minimum skills to pull this off.....
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#20 - 2013-12-30 16:51:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Batelle
ZynnLee Akkori wrote:
I'm thinking about getting into this for 20-30 jump contracts from high to low/lullsec. I seem to recall seeing bits and pieces in various chat channels that it's mostly just scam's to get people to carry expensive stuff into a pre-arranged gank.

So, what are the things to watch out for? Obviously, avoid the 'too good to be true' stuff. But beyond that, how might I go about filling contracts and avoiding scam's? Also, what sort of hull/fit should I be looking at?


If the ship you plan to take is the kind of ship that can be ganked, then don't take the contract. When flown properly, blockade runners, t3's, and covops are virtually impossible to catch or gank. If the cargo doesn't fit in one of those things, then you have no business taking the contract. And if the cargo DOES fit in one of those things, then it shouldn't matter if its a trap or not, you should be able to complete it (unless you accept a contract into a player owned station that you cannot dock in). Just watch out for suicide ganks on the undock near the hisec pickup location.

Also, "get people to carry expensive stuff.." thats if they have ridiculous buy orders set up or something. If its a courier, they'll give you junk to haul, but with a high collateral. They would never give you something overly expensive if they plan to shoot at you, since that would hurt their profit.

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