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Gnosis BPC reward for SOE epic arc
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Tryaz
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-12-27 15:44:44 UTC
I'm just doing the SOE epic arc for the first time ever lol and love that the final rat of the arc is now flying a Gnosis, presumably a new change. It occurs to me that it would be a cool idea to have the rat drop a 1 run BPC for a Gnosis as a reward. it would be a pretty perfect time to give new players the option of flying a Gnosis

Thoughts?

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Verity Sovereign
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2013-12-27 16:25:37 UTC
Actually, the final rat has always been flying that.

The model was there first, and then used for the Gnosis.

I do agree that in principle, there should be some way to replenish the supply of Gnosii
(maybe yearly gifts?).

I'm not sure if the reward is appropriate for a lvl 1 epic arc though
Tryaz
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-12-27 16:27:46 UTC
Verity Sovereign wrote:
Actually, the final rat has always been flying that.

The model was there first, and then used for the Gnosis.

I do agree that in principle, there should be some way to replenish the supply of Gnosii
(maybe yearly gifts?).

I'm not sure if the reward is appropriate for a lvl 1 epic arc though


I would argue that it is an appropriate reward, the gnosis is really only useful for newer players and niche PvP. As soon as you have any racial BC skills you're almost always better off in a standard t1 BC

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Seranova Farreach
Biomass Negative
#4 - 2013-12-27 16:40:08 UTC
Verity Sovereign wrote:
Actually, the final rat has always been flying that.

The model was there first, and then used for the Gnosis.

I do agree that in principle, there should be some way to replenish the supply of Gnosii
(maybe yearly gifts?).

I'm not sure if the reward is appropriate for a lvl 1 epic arc though


confermed gnosis was final ship on the arc back in 2008.

also arcs are only repeatable once every 3 months arnt they? seems fair.

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Motorbit
Moira.
#5 - 2013-12-27 17:32:07 UTC
that would be 4 gnosis per character per year, with little efford.
i think, the arc pays well enough as it is, and the gnosis is cheap enough as it is.
Daenika
Chambers of Shaolin
#6 - 2013-12-27 18:43:06 UTC
Motorbit wrote:
that would be 4 gnosis per character per year, with little efford.
i think, the arc pays well enough as it is, and the gnosis is cheap enough as it is.


So don't make it a guaranteed drop, problem solved.

Hell, why not just make it like a ~10% drop for a 5 run BPC. That gives you an expected outcome of 2 per character per year, which isn't much of an influx into the system (since it's highly unlikely that even close to half of the characters in EVE would run that arc every 3 months). Would at least give some influx of the hull. Right now, with a limited and systematically declining number in existence and no source for them, they will eventually fall into the same category as Harvester Drones. A neat collectable item, but completely impractical to ever actually fly.

Frankly, the Gnosis is too useful of a ship for newer players to experience BC-level warfare (particularly now that they've split the BC skill) to let die in obscurity like that.
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#7 - 2013-12-27 19:04:12 UTC
But Gnosis is a SOCT ship, not SOE one.

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Jane Shapperd
Quafe Commandos
The Obsidian Front - Reborn
#8 - 2013-12-27 19:27:15 UTC
No , Gnosis should be a rare ship .

some people bought the collector's edition , just to be able to build the Gnosis when they become rare . and then sell it for high prices .

After all it's a special edition ship . Players should not be able to build it so easily .
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#9 - 2013-12-27 23:32:16 UTC
Jane Shapperd wrote:
No , Gnosis should be a rare ship .

some people bought the collector's edition , just to be able to build the Gnosis when they become rare . and then sell it for high prices .

After all it's a special edition ship . Players should not be able to build it so easily .


And that, Ladies and Gentlemen is why people today are catching, killing and canning tuna so that they can sell the frozen meat for more when they finally become extinct.

In other words the OP would rather hang on to limited supply of increasingly rare ships in order to make a quick buck at some unknown time in the future when there's only 2 Gnosis left and they are on the market for 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 isk each.

Let the noobs have them, it would be an excellent reward for completing the SOE arc and a fine introduction to Eve for newer chracters given that the Gnosis is a versatile ship with low skill requirements that can fit and optimise for any racial weapon system, not to mention exploration. As others have said before me it's perfect for this and CCP should adopt this suggestion immediately.

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Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#10 - 2013-12-28 00:01:14 UTC
The Gnosis has nothing to do with the Sisters. It's a Society of Conscious Thought ship, like the apotheosis and the unpublished SoCT frigate.

If anything, they'd have to open up the SoCT LP store to get more of the ship out.

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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#11 - 2013-12-28 00:02:24 UTC
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
But Gnosis is a SOCT ship, not SOE one.

Which is why it would be a loot drop from Dagan's ship. Not a reward from SOE.
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#12 - 2013-12-28 01:29:48 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
But Gnosis is a SOCT ship, not SOE one.

Which is why it would be a loot drop from Dagan's ship. Not a reward from SOE.

But why would a ship be carrying a blueprint of itself into a fight? And if it dropped that, it's a free battlecruiser- the BP has no mat requirements.

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Tryaz
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-12-28 03:28:46 UTC
I am fond of the lore of this game and therefore keen not to suggest anything that breaches it. What if you were encouraged by Sister Allitura to use an analyzer module on the wreck and thereby obtain the BPC? Surely the SoE would have a vested interest in obtaining information on SoCT ship capabilities? (especially as Dagan's Gnosis has such powerful shield regen for a L1 rat).
Thoughts?

"Keep the Gnosis rare" is a ridiculous argument and runs totally counter to the spirit of the hull and the spirit in which I made this suggestion. Anyone who harbours that opinion, thank you for the free bumps to this thread because you are absurd.

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Dehval
Ascendance Rising
Ascendance..
#14 - 2013-12-28 06:14:26 UTC
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote:
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
But Gnosis is a SOCT ship, not SOE one.

Which is why it would be a loot drop from Dagan's ship. Not a reward from SOE.

But why would a ship be carrying a blueprint of itself into a fight? And if it dropped that, it's a free battlecruiser- the BP has no mat requirements.

Why do Overseers drop blueprints of their ships?

Although the BP having no mat requirements would be a problem.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#15 - 2013-12-28 09:19:55 UTC
Tryaz wrote:
I am fond of the lore of this game and therefore keen not to suggest anything that breaches it. What if you were encouraged by Sister Allitura to use an analyzer module on the wreck and thereby obtain the BPC? Surely the SoE would have a vested interest in obtaining information on SoCT ship capabilities? (especially as Dagan's Gnosis has such powerful shield regen for a L1 rat).
Thoughts?

"Keep the Gnosis rare" is a ridiculous argument and runs totally counter to the spirit of the hull and the spirit in which I made this suggestion. Anyone who harbours that opinion, thank you for the free bumps to this thread because you are absurd.

This is a great idea for all potential ship BPC sources. Not just the Gnosis, but carry this onto every pirate ship BPC. Analyse the hull instead of salvaging it and chance of a BPC. Which matters more to you, salvage or potential BPC.....
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#16 - 2013-12-28 10:18:20 UTC
Isn't the Gnosis a ship of the Society of Conscious Thought? If at all, the ship should be given out by them.

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Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#17 - 2013-12-28 10:22:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Alvatore DiMarco
CCP gave out the Apotheosis on the 5th Anniversary. Is there some way of resupplying those? No.

CCP gave out the Gnosis on the 10th Anniversary. They're not just some random silly ship that was added for the lulz, they're to commemorate the 10th Anniversary of EVE Online.

Don't you dare try to cheapen the significance of that.

-10 to the idea of "resupplying the quantity of Gnosii". Before you attempt it, let me just dispel your notions that I intend to profit from the price going up; I rarely undock mine at all and the BPC is archived safely inside an Audit Log can in the station I use as a vault for all my collectibles and rare things.
Electrique Wizard
Mutually Lucrative Business Proposals
#18 - 2013-12-28 13:20:18 UTC
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
CCP gave out the Apotheosis on the 5th Anniversary. Is there some way of resupplying those? No.

CCP gave out the Gnosis on the 10th Anniversary. They're not just some random silly ship that was added for the lulz, they're to commemorate the 10th Anniversary of EVE Online.

Don't you dare try to cheapen the significance of that.

-10 to the idea of "resupplying the quantity of Gnosii". Before you attempt it, let me just dispel your notions that I intend to profit from the price going up; I rarely undock mine at all and the BPC is archived safely inside an Audit Log can in the station I use as a vault for all my collectibles and rare things.


I'll be harvesting your tears when CCP gives out more Gnosis/BP's the next years. They didnt try to make them rare or hard to get, they just gave them away. See the Genolution implants. And lol @ thinking something that every active subscriber + everyone that bought the CE (times 5) has gotten will ever significantly raise in price to make it worth investing in.

That said I'm all for making all non-AT ships available through Epic Arcs, 1% drops from faction/officer spawns, etc. This incluses the Opux, Tribal, Ishukone scorp and whatnot rare ships that have gone into extinction because CCP likes to generate rare limited content for no reason.

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Tabris Katz
The Forgotten Children
#19 - 2013-12-28 14:09:34 UTC
Ok I don't think the Gnosis should be a reward for completing the Sisters story arc on the account that is not a SOE ship. However, I'm not apposed to adding something as a reward to the end of that arc besides the ISK and faction standing. I'm thinking an asteros or an asteros 1 run bpc. All the other epic story arcs give something tangable out so why not this one? Lets just keep to Sisters tech.
Tryaz
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2013-12-28 14:12:42 UTC
Tabris Katz wrote:
Ok I don't think the Gnosis should be a reward for completing the Sisters story arc on the account that is not a SOE ship. However, I'm not apposed to adding something as a reward to the end of that arc besides the ISK and faction standing. I'm thinking an asteros or an asteros 1 run bpc. All the other epic story arcs give something tangable out so why not this one? Lets just keep to Sisters tech.
Yes but Tabris the Gnosis is flown by the final rat, why couldn't he drop or make available the BPC somehow? My problem with the arc is not one of reward, I think it would be entirely inappropriate to give out an Astero. I was suggesting the Gnosis as a reward because it would be, in my opinion, the perfect time to furnish a new player with that ship.

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