Player Features and Ideas Discussion

This item is a high slot module, that cannot be fitted unless it is the only high slot module.
(the means to insure no others are fitted, I leave to the devs creativity)
It is also costs 400 calibration points, meaning it won't work on every ship, and no rigs can be used.

This device transforms the ship into a reinforced kinetic weapon.

It deals damage equal to it's combined armor and structure, at the cost of taking damage equal to 75% of actually delivered damage, before calculating damage resistance modifiers.

The shields of both ships are neutralized over all points of contact, by a phase matching algorithm built into the module.
(It takes up every single high slot for a reason)


Example:
Skinny Bob is flying a stabber. He has 1625 each in armor and structure.
If Skinny Bob rams a target, he can deliver up to 3,250 damage.
WITH NOTHING ELSE FITTED, he would take 75% of this, or 2,438 raw kinetic damage.
Now, with his skills, the stabber has 25% kinetic resistance to it's armor.
This means that the armor is obliterated, and another 814 points of kinetic damage to it's structure.
(The stabber has no inherent damage resistance on structure, leaving the ship with 811 points of structure left, just under half)

It would probably be a good idea for Skinny Bob to invest in a damage control, as well as enhance the armor against kinetic damage.

Important Detail:
This ramming damage is all or nothing, as the spacecraft in EVE have built in hardware which averts collisions normally.
In order to override this, the point of the prow must make contact with a location on the target within the central 50% of it's profile, as determined by relative mass.
(Translated, it must be a solid hit, misses or glancing blows have no effect at all)

I understand that this can be tweaked on paper to appear quite powerful, but keep in mind that faster ships tend to be smaller than the vessels being compared to them, in many cases.
It is doubtful that we will see common occurrences of a BS plowing through a group of frigates, unless they had chosen to ram it first.

Well, stopping would be the result if both ships cancelled each others inertial momentum on impact.

The more probable result, is that either a new direction results from the combined inertia, or the more energetic ship continued it's course at a reduced rate.

If you don't feel this idea is worth your time to discuss, alternatively, I will accept your lack of interest as a vote against it.

The more central aspect of this thread is, perhaps, whether ramming or even just crashing in EVE is good or bad, and why.

Thank you for posting, either way.

I appreciate your point, and I can certainly understand where you are going with it.

This application would have a dual role, in that it is not simply an offensive tool.

It is also a defensive one.
Specifically, the OP states the point of the prow must make solid contact with the target.
It does not state, (apologies if this was not obvious), that the ramming ship needs to be the one equipped with this.
Either ship, so equipped, meets the needs for this effect to occur.

Consider if a ship such as the Mastodon, which has but one high slot to begin with, were to equip this module.

This is a Deep Space Transport. It has Potentially the following from skill alone, with no other modules fitted:
Armor: 3,516
Structure: 4,219
With 25% kinetic resist on the armor.
A ship ramming it would take 7,735 before resists were applied.

This would make bumping it... a problem.
The stabber in the OP would possibly not survive at all. (It might be equipped with armor hardeners and resists, with a DC)

Baby steps.

If we go full reality, it threatens quality of gameplay. (In my opinion)

I am already neutralizing shields, but inertial dampening effects need to be treated carefully, as your post points out very well.
(I take speed out of the equation as a determining factor the moment it introduces the two ships, using an arbitrary default speed due to the inertial dampeners trying to prevent it entirely)

Personally, I liked the volkswagon analogy for the battleship artillery shell, I saw in that Norfolk naval exhibit.

Disappointed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXh1tW16V-8

Ramming damage should scale with the number of elite slaves in your cargo.

Not really. In HS, Fly a noobship into it, and CONCORD will scram and gank it for you.

Outside of HS, just point it and shoot it for a while. Or, if you're worried about it getting through the gate, just fly a noobship into it, and the weapons timer will prevent it from getting through the gate for 60s.


Oh, and both SFIs and Machariels (common bump ships) can be fit to have far more EHP than needed to survive bumping their targets. (Since this is a high slot module, you'll never take damage from bumping a Freighter, and since you're saying that you have to unfit other highslot mods, it's not going to find much use in Titan fittings.)

+1 for your excellent points.

Clearly, activating this module would be best done with clear understanding of consequences.

But then, unless you are being bumped just for annoyance sake, you are already in a fight.
I say let them shoot first, then switch it on if being a pacifist won't carry the day for you.

My issue with this idea is that small groups of plated cruisers. (2-3) can instagib shield BSs because they bypass the primary tank and will deal sufficient damage with a 1600 plate or two, which arent't hard to fit to cruisers. Also, even with a 1600 plate or two, they really still faster and more mobile than a shield BS. Meanwhile there is a huge imbalance because of the utter ineffectuality against armour BSs because of their high armour resists and buffer amounts.

Can we please stop having duplicate thread after duplicate thread about collision and ramming?

There's already a thread about this. For ****'s sake, post in that one.