EVE General Discussion

In your head it may be the same. To others, it is not.

You continue to project your opinion on everyone else. I haven't "misunderstood" anything you have posted yet. I know this because you continue to do it over and over again.

I don't think it's worth even arguing about. A virtual bar with no content is never going to happen and I am glad it will never happen. When (if) we ever get WiS it needs to be content rich.



The difference is that CCP have always said that WiS is still on the cards and they have straight up dropped atmospheric flight with the intention of never working on it again. As for WoD you seem to still be missing the point, there are lots of developers working on it and it has a preliminary release date for beta late 2015. CCP seem fairly certain that it's not going to go down like a lead balloon and I am inclined to stick with the opinion of the experts for the most part.

3-4k is nothing for a F2P. Means people don't want to play it, neither for free. And consider to achive it any major EVE developement (also WiS) was halted for years. And still is. It's an huge black hole, draining EVE to death.

Disagree if you like Fellon, it's still a fact. At an abstract level, the difference between typing the emote "/me walks into the bar", and piloting your character into a bar-shaped virtual space using the movement keys, is a purely cosmetic one. Either action constitutes moving your representative icon - whether virtual-imaginary or virtual-rendered - into a shared conceptual space (again, either imaginary or rendered). that's not opinion, that is hard fact.

Your reaction may be different - you may strongly prefer one over the other. That's cool! Great! But I'm not speaking to enjoyment, I'm speaking to what's actually going on, and what it boils down to is that a fictional character has walked into a fictional bar: whether the bar in question is imagined or digitally rendered is, in dispassionate and abstract terms, an inconsequential distinction.

In any case, you did wildly misinterpret my meaning, which is that WiS is no good without actual mechanically interesting content. My entire point in explaining how the RP game isn't especially enriched by avatar content was to illustrate that point. you then accused me of having a shallow and useless vision of WiS when my entire point was to explain why I have precisely the opposite.



It's disappointing, I grant you. But my point was that EVE was in no better shape than that in December 2003. I seem to recall one of the early reviews of EVE called it "the worst game [the reviewer had] ever played". Nowadays...

We'll see. CCP aren't stupid, if DUST really does become the anchor that's dragging the company down, they'll be smart enough to let go, though I'd be surprised if there wasn't eventually a salvage operation of some kind.

You are horribly wrong, Elite Frontier II had it very early in 1993, and without any tricks, you caould land on planet and then start flying from the surface thru the atmosphere right into the space, without any cutscenes or graphical tricks like dark warp tunnels. If it was possible in 1993 why it would not be possible in 2013, 20 years later. Kerbal space program, Planetary annihilation, you know those games right?

But it was revolutionary and done 20 years ago, CCP had the same altitude in 2003, now its cozy chair and a glass of porto beside the sleeping cat.

Well yes and no


The use or memory and how the universe and physics were simulated vvery well, I cant fault you, but it made it very difficult to play.

Unless you had a whopping 8MB of PC memory you were shafted when there was more than three objects "on grid" (so to speak at a time, and without the Combat Computer in First Encounters, space battles were nigh-on impossible except for missile exchanges and using turrets in Frieghters

The technology is there for walking in stations, the question is will CCP listen to "many" of its players who support more of this content in their space ship game. I believe if done right, many more players will enjoy walking in stations to some extent and be glad it was added.

If you want reality, Take On Mars is the way to go.

EVE was never particularly realistic. I mean... space has an upside and a downside?

Cosmetics are the third most important thing in life.

If they were not, we'd all be naked half the time.

And usually the people who choose to go naked are doing that as a statement as well.