EVE General Discussion

Its takes steps. We didn't go from crap UI and cruiser fleets and MoO to titans, wormholes, and nul as it is now in one go. It took steps.

By your logic we shouldn't have had all those past expansions as they were a waste of time for not implementing everything in one go perfectly.

I'm not controlling anybody's opinions, I'm explaining a simple fact - having a scenic but mechanically inert bar to stand in and talk to each other wouldn't add anything to roleplaying. If we want our character to go drinking with his friends, we can do that already in a chat channel with a bit of imagination, usually while actually doing something else clean across the game that's actually profitable.

So all that the ability to enter the actual virtual space would do for us would be to remove the ability to do something else while simultaneously RPing being in a bar.

That bit is solid fact - we already RP going to bars via text chat, adding an actual bar wouldn't increase the availability of bar-based RP, and would limit our ability to do other stuff at the same time.

Everything after that point, where I call for mechanical features that would be attractive and a good springboard for RP? That's all my opinion and was never painted as anything other than.

Again with your assumptions of what people want with WiS are honed in on one of the many suggestions out there. One that is not the most commonly supported either.

As an example, some WiS supporters have been asking for the ability to walk into dock and shoot another pilot in the face while they are hiding in dock. WiS isn't just a request for "RP".

Wake up, you are missing 99% of what has been requested. What *you* view for WiS is indeed garbage; very few are asking for such a limited and narrow enhancement.

Your definition of WiS is clouded by your own bias, on top of your assumption that you can tell people what they would enjoy. You just said it again.

Your comment:
"I'm not controlling anybody's opinions, I'm explaining a simple fact - having a scenic but mechanically inert bar to stand in and talk to each other wouldn't add anything to roleplaying. "

That isn't for you to decide. Maybe there are players who would get great gains and enjoyment out of these proposals? You don't get to control how someone enjoys something.

That is not relevant to my point. I could care less what "crowd" you are in. You are allowed your opinion, but you don't get to tell others what they would or would not enjoy. You are no authority on the topic of WiS anymore than I am.

The difference is: I recognize that fact.

I think he WILDLY misinterpreted them.

Fellon: The point of those two posts is that RPers are not and should not be the primary target for Walking in Stations/EVE on Foot content, because RP is by definition an activity which revolves around imagining and acting out scenarios that the game does not model.



I entirely agree. In fact that's exactly what those two posts were saying. I've consistently been one of the people in this thread proposing that avatar-based content should be EVE gameplay through and through, rather than an anemic aquarium for the benefit of RPers and nobody else, and that's speaking as a roleplayer myself.



I'm not saying that people wouldn't enjoy it - I probably would enjoy it myself, in fact. What I'm saying is that it wouldn't add anything that is not already available. Not the same thing. If you're RPing being in a bar with your friends, then whether that bar is one you imagine in your head or one you walk your avatar into and have him stand around in makes precious little difference - really, what you're there for is the in-character interaction. The difference between a chat channel and an actual bar-space is purely cosmetic.

This is true of in-space stuff, too. My point is that the way to enhance the in-character game is to add content that is fun and interesting OUT of character.

My vision for WiS is not what you seem to think it is. I suggest you read back through the thread, get a handle on where I stand, then criticise what I'm actually saying rather than the hasty misinterpretation you seem to have arrived at.

Just out of curiosity, what are the current user figures for DUST, if anyone has them?

Double post.

3-4K regular players isn't bad going, I'd have said. How well was EVE doing when it was 7 months old? And those exact same criticisms about wishful thinking could very validly have been levelled against EVE in that first year...

Wow, are you serious? What gives you the right too call that a fact? How the heck can you state that, in terms of RP, someone who is in just a text channel, "imagining" he's in a bar with the other people in the chat channel, is the same, as actually a built environment that is a bar, and having those same people in there, chatting the same thing?

I for one will tell you personally, that is night and day for me, and object your fact that its the same thing. I would get 100% more enjoyment in that setting in an actual bar setting.

What you stated is an opinion and nothing more, don't claim facts that are opinions. Unbelievable lol.

You might have to concede that one Stitcher. I personally agree with you, and think that any environment without content that is just for show is a waste of space, time, development and potential even for role-players. Frankly we need something more like the exploration prototype if we going to keep most people happy in the first instance. Trying to pass anything off as fact is daft at the best of times. From a scientific perspective there aren't really any facts.



Instant temptation to resort to reducto absurdium and make comments about how human beings will of course one day return to using pieces of flint as their primary tool for every job.