EVE General Discussion

And once again you either only hear/read what you want or haven't read a bit of this thread.

Posting with my main just to say I completely agree with everything Dani said.

This is not meant to be offensive in any way, it's just an observation. I just had to call you on it. Your not an alt, you've been playing for 30 days, but you were stoked about atmospheric flight?

The most important factor in creating a good lie is to keep it as close to the truth as possible so not to let things like this slip through. You should have said 'I am an alt, but my main isn't posting in here'. That would have been a more convincing and long lived lie.

Most people's objections to Avatar content seem to be basically that they don't want it. And that's fine. Everyone is perfectly entitled to not want a feature because they're unlikely to use it. But frankly, I have never run Incursions or been in a war dec, or lived in a WH, or been in factional warfare, but I understand that they add depth to Eve so I am not going to rant on the forums about how I don't want the devs wasting their time on them.

The other objection people seem to have is that they don't think CCP can do it. Which is pish posh. CCP may have made life difficult for themselves by creating incredibly high poly, fully customizable Avatars but Avatar gameplay is a staple of MMOs. The idea that CCP can't do it is rediculous because everyone is doing it, CCP included.

Good to see you are seeking to counter that well-reasoned, articulate counter-argument, rather than just attacking the poster… oh, sorry, my mistake.

There wasn't an argument in that post. He never said a word about 'Why CCP shouldn't add Avatar content'. There was nothing to counter. He was just being talkative, and so I was being talkative as well. You just wanted a chance to snipe.

Ooohhh hypocrisy, you are such a sweet and tender lover.



Looks like the forums filtered out the last word in the images URL. So your link didn't work. : P

I will say this one last time.

I am not an alt.

Returning player. Fresh character. This should be fairly easy to digest. If you would like to know who I was before I liquidated several years ago, look up Floppy Disk, Centrada and Mr Trust. Those were my old characters. Their sale threads should be easy to find in the Character Bazaar section/archived (2007, 2012, 2013 respectively).

Now please, stop making yourself look petty, stay on topic, and deliver some content. Try actually responding.


Cool concept, but not my cup of tea. I prefer the space game.

Again, should be fairly easy to digest. I can at least have a healthy respect for what others might enjoy, but I personally see it as something boring, vain, and not worth investment. Again, I think it's a failed vampire game, the properties of which will be "salvaged" in the WiS implementation process, but it doesn't belong here.

And it will be a flop. And we will roll eyes. And we will lament our eagerness.

Innocent my arse Dusette.

Actually, I already explained earlier in the thread that WiS content wouldn't really add anything to the roleplay game.

The primary activities of RP in EVE are emoting - "/me waves", "/me smiles", "/me laughs" and so on - and just talking about stuff that's happened in the universe. If you want an excellent example of the kind of RP that EVE produces, just take a look at this thread.

Having the ability to literally walk into a digital bar doesn't really add much to an RP culture that's based around character-acting somebody who lives in that universe. And the best way to do that is to play yourself.

I am a wormhole industrialist with plenty sharp PvP teeth. I play exactly that - a wormhole industrialist with plenty sharp PvP teeth. The fact that PvP means "Pilot versus Pilot" to my character rather than "Player versus Player" is really the only difference. The player Stitcher flies spaceships, builds tech 3 subsystems and hacks data sites, which means that the character Yakiya Verin Hakatain also flies spaceships, builds tech 3 subsystems and hacks data sites.

The only difference is that he, as a character set in that universe, has in-universe goals. He wants to try and help improve the relationship between the Caldari and Minmatar, he wants to improve humanity's access to posthuman technologies like cloning and, yes, he wants to get rich. Out-of-character, I get some fun and entertainment from play-acting that character and having him interact with other characters. It's like spontaneous freeform make-it-up-as-you-go-along acting.

All of which can be done just by playing the game and chatting with people in text channels. I don't need to walk into an actual bar and see my guy marching about the place in order to do that. Having available WiS environments would do very little indeed to enhance my experience as a roleplayer.

All of which is why I'm keen to see EoF - EVE on Foot - released in such a way as to introduce actual mechanical gameplay activities which I can try out and maybe get rich from and get some PvP from. THAT, I would be able to RP about because it'd maybe furnish me with some adventures and anecdotes to share in-character... while I'm in space, hanging out at the POS, while I'm flying from our highsec static to a market hub or, yes, maybe while I'm in a bar drinking beer and playing poker.

But just having a pretty-looking nightclub to stand around in and emote wouldn't actually enhance a roleplayer's experience any more than it would enhance anybody else's.

And that tells me you haven't read anything I've written. Which is kinda sad, but whatever.

Simply put, because it will not contain all the cool and incredible features that people here have suggested (I just don't see CQ/WoD becoming a platform for things like gunfights, sabotaging actual ships, and just generally being a space cowboy) and will be poorly implemented (because it will be), it is a waste of time and money. This time... and money... is better spent on improving any number of things with the existing game, and adding more and more verticality and dynamic elements to space.

I think where WiS proponents sometimes get it wrong (I'm not saying all the time, just sometimes) is on the execution. I don't actually think the game people are describing here would be a bad thing. Are you kidding me? Hop out of pod, slink past some war targets hanging out in the station, get to enemy ship, do dastardly things? That sounds like a hell of a lot of fun. But at the end of the day, if that grand vision is going to be supplanted by "doable" WiS (avatars standing in a circle), it ain't worth it.