Player Features and Ideas Discussion

How about introducing missions that need to be flown in fleets of a certain size?
Similar to incursions (only incursions are no missions) with mission goals that need to be done with at least two ships on-grid.

Could be made a "corporate mission" where standing is gained directly for the corp of the fc ( the person who requests the mission)

Should have the same payout then single player missions (for each player), but with standing gain for a corp ( corp standing would need a revamp then)

And I am not talking about incursions, nor Lv5 lowsec missions. I think of fleet optimized mission content.

I regularly fly Lv4 missions in fleets or do WH sites in a fleet, it's fun to hang around with other people and it's nice to help others gain standing, but it is not very income effective.

So far, except for incursions, not a single activity in hisec needs to be done in cooperation with other people. There is effectively no reason to leave an NPC Corp if one lives in Hisec. If taxes are the problem, create your own one man corp.
Cooperative playing in hisec needs to get implemented at all (besides incursions)!

Looking forward to hearing your ideas for fleet missions...

A fleet of 3-4 well skilled pilots is overkill for cooperative level 4's and too small for incursions. Its pretty good for level 5's, blitzing nullsec anoms, or taking down lowsec and nullsec combat plex quickly and with relative safety from pvp. Its also a good sized group for clearing out c1-c3 wh content quickly and getting your salvaging done efficiently.

I don't think what you're asking for should be added to the game.

I could support this on a select few conditions.
First obviously it should be better income per fleet member than solo level 4s but worse than incursions.
Second it should be 100% impossible to do solo or by multiboxing. Maybe minimum size of 4~5.

Finding WHs from hisec that are packed with sites does not take very long, plus once you find one you can always just go to the next WH in the chain. Between scanning, logi, scouting for hostiles, salvaging and loot, this provides interesting stuff to do and varied roles. If downtime is unnacceptable, then it sounds very much like you want something thats instant reward as well as indefinitely grindable and scalable, just like incursions. And really, we don't need an easier version of incursions. If isk really is not that important to you (I sympathize with wanting a nice activity to do cooperative PVE, socialize the rookies, etc), I would just say go to a place where there are several level 4 agents, and get everyone in your fleet able to pull their own mission, then go around bashing them in HACs/ABCs or other speedy things. This also generates loot fast enough to warrant a full time salvager to improve the income significantly.



Might as well be asking for level 5's to come back to hisec. And people manage to solo those anyway without multiboxing, how exactly could you design impossible content? As soon as you have a 4-5 man fleet, stuff becomes doable without spending a lot on your ship and it becomes easier in general (two gank DPS ships and two logi can do a lot, and do it cheaply). At least for incursion vanguards people have to travel, deal with ganks, and organize in a group of 10. Having it be individually more valuable than level 4's is just asking for a bunch of farming RR domis or a few pimp mission BS to come and make absurd isk/hr, that is also absurdly scalable with the number of accounts.

As I said before, it is just about multiplayer missions, they can range from 1-4 but can only be accepted and completed in a fleet.

And doing sites in a WH is nice sometims, but it is not really mission content

As Lv4 missions are widely available in all Empire space, it is not a matter of making more Isk/h, but to implement another action beside incursions that really require multiplayer activity...

That depends on how you run missions.

Most will uber fit (mild or wild) to be all in one solo running machines. You could run baseline fits that need support. Some fun combos I ran in the past dual boxed include true glass cannons max gank setups that needed remote rep to no die. Or another fun combo in the past was meathshield/frigate-cruiser killer mixed with a stealth bomber. Latter I found worked half decent. Obviously a SB is not running level 4's solo, meatshield made it possible. Meatshiled landed, killed the small crap and sb came in to torp bs's to oblivion. Only real trick was to remember what had aoe blows up structure wise. Pleasure garden popping in damsel for example will wipe a bomber, found that out fwi (flying while intoxicated) one night lol. These setups were when I ran more than 1 account but can apply to actual 2+ person fleets.


Basically for group missions (non-incursion) its kind of on the players to make it fun and interesting atm. Rushing in with several uber marauders or pirate BS'....yeah you will go this a pointless effort.

Your issue with the faction reward is ccp has this a slow progression (as its tied to bene's like pos placing, lower taxes, better refines). Boosting this would be abused and I think CCP would have an issue with that. Will give you credit for giving another reward besides money though. Standing issue I could live with if refined.

I liked this idea based on missions thats main reward is standing increases I felt was a great idea, theres no reason to think that these would pay tonnes of isk as higher standing gains for the mission runners involved are a potent reward in themselves.

But then I also like the idea of dynamic missions that pop up on your overview with requests for help in local giving you option to help or kill the request caller, or any player going suspect through killing the request caller, as well as 'escort' based storyline missions, which could see a corp escorting NPC hauler convoys or frieghters while somewhere else may have the opposite mission, to intercept and kill any haulers and their escorts, Sort of a 'mini' facwar mechanic but for corporations.

Oh, and mini incursions, actual exploration content in wormholes that lead the player base along a yearly storyline driven by CCP that lead up to the expansions....