EVE General Discussion

Well Ive been called it half a dozen times in this thread and I havent once said I was against WiS so I was wondering who these WiS-Haters are because I havent seen a single one, as in a real one, yet.

Cool thats cleared that up.

And no its fine, its just Im always wary of a rabble stirring up against "the others" and then the label of "other" being applied to anyone who questions the status quo

Cos they rock

Bolded and underlined for emphasis.

Also, as it seems relevant at this point. The whole "Pro-FiS" and "Pro-WiS" crowd thing is bullshit. Most people who direct comments at me with "you WiS people" in it, spend less time undocked and shooting at spaceships (players) than I do. Frankly, I am more pro-FiS than they are, I just happen to want WiS developement. The implication that I don't care for the current space gameplay of my favorite game is complete ****.

When it comes to the current dream of manufacturable star gates and new space, I am against it because it's a stupid waste of resources and a terrible work around for the problems we have. I am against it because it is not what our in-space game-play needs. I am not against it because it's using resources that could be used on WiS game-play (although I would prefer development spent towards that goal).

Next time you think about starting an argument with "you WiS people", just close your reply window and don't bother.


Sorry, but I only really post from work, so I can't crawl through the old fanfest videos looking for it. When I get back I spend my time blowing up internet spaceships rather than trawling youtube videos. It occurred during one of the last big presentations of the day, like the CCP presents presentations or something. You can find the last fanfest footage on CCP's youtube channel. I am afraid I will have to leave you to find it in there.

Adding new space into the game because your current space is broken is not a good idea. It will only make it worse. Instead of 'starting from scratch' they need to fix the current space. If null and low are empty because force projection is broken, and IHUB's concentrate their benefits so people don't leave those systems, then fix those things. I am not suggesting I have a perfect solution to either of those things, but there are many possible solutions. If not having local is such a good idea, then remove local from null.

Adding new space on top of old broken space will make it worse. People will be even more spread out. I am not being dismissive of the idea, I have always been against it. I've put a fair amount of thought into. New space, is a disaster waiting to happen. Fixing force projection, and our empty low and nullsec systems will mean there is much more 'usable space' added to the game than adding a new space that will be exploited and need balancing itself.

All the above said, this isn't really the topic for it. It suffices to say that I think adding new space is a terrible idea and I would prefer their 5 year plan to be heading towards some WiS content. After the Incarna riots CCP promised to spend the immediate future fixing and iterating on current features. An admirable goal, and so far so good, but manufacturable star gates and new space is a Jesus feature, and PI and WiS are being left un-iterated on completely against their promise.



Open up your star map during peak time and select 'Average Players In Space (Over 30mins)' and look at nullsec and lowsec. Do the same with players docked up, maybe look at the number of jumps. All those zeros are not my imagination.

This is where I would usually insult your intelligence, but apparently I am not allowed to do that. Instead I will say, go back and read the thread. They didn't take 18 months to make the CQs. That engine wasn't superfluous. CARBON is also the basis for all the new UIs, the V3 textures and TiDi amongst many other things. I wouldn't be surprised if all of the changes since Incarna were made with the CARBON engine.

Nothing tying them to the games engine... right... aside from the fact that the entire game runs on it you mean? Right?



It's not just a cry, it's verifiable fact. With links and references to devs saying it all over the thread. If you can find one dev post to the contrary, then i'll metaphorically eat my hat.

Your the minority here.

PS: Where's your killboard?

That's a good post +1.



He does look bad posting like that. But he's still infinitely better than you.

What a surprise. Jenn's trolling has reduced the thread to bitching again.

Why are you even here?

As much as Jenn annoys me as well with her regular "you WiS people" or "your type" (feels almost like your being racist or something :P) She/he does bring good cannon fodder for all the regular, weak, excuses of why WiS shouldn't be worked on. So frankly, in some ways, I do enjoy the input given because it gives me a chance to show just how weak it is.

However, Jenn needs to understand that although most of us in this thread want to see work done to WiS, we're all subscribed to Eve because we love the FiS too. I love my spaceships. I thoroughly enjoy spaceship PVP. I love working the market. I even take part in PVE content (mostly in the form of "exploration" and wormhole diving). I don't focus myself on one sole aspect of this game because I enjoy so many aspects about it. But I want to see this game develop into the complete sci-fi simulator it has the potential to be. And I see WiS as being a crucial key to that.

Also, the regular statements like “The people who Want WiS are LOSING, as evidenced by the fact that there is no WiS development for the forseeable future.” is weak as well. POS revamp. I didn’t follow the entire threadnaught for it when CCP said it wasn’t important and people backlashed, but I haven’t heard anything further about that being worked on either. Null Sov. Again, they’ve said a few times they understand it sucks, but nothing beyond that either. No given time frame for when they plan to revamp it. I can think of a few other issues that people have brought up but with no evident plans on the horizon to work on it. However, as for WiS, it’s unnecessary to come back here time and time again to tell people the same thing over and over in just slightly different words, which has been all you’ve done. I can pretty much sum up everything you’ve said. “I love my FiS. I don’t care about WiS. Neither should CCP. You’re all delusional for thinking they should. I’m the cool one because I’m not fighting an uphill battle.” However, this mentality you seem to have that CCP isn’t working on it because they’re listening to what their players want is rather delusional as well. So welcome to the looney bin.

Ishtanchuk Fazmarai also made an excellent point. Some bitter-vets (which I don’t consider Jenn to be since she/he thinks Rubicon was the best expansion ever….which I still get a good laugh about) don't want to see this game expanded beyond FiS because one, the "you can't teach old dogs new tricks" mentality. Two, I think to a small extent they're scared of TOO much community growth, which WiS has the potential imo to bring, because it might bring in what they feel to be the wrong sorts of people for Eve. Three, they’re scared of another attempt at a “greed is good” or gold ammo Nex store. Four, they’re scared CCP will fall back into the old way of pumping out new features without fixing the existing problems. Reasons 3 and 4 is why I see CCP as unwilling to touch it for the time being. Anything related to Incarna, a release that really backlashed on them hard, they’re going to be too scared to go back and work on extensively.

And that's what I dislike. EVE works because it's a focused, lean-mean niche game that isn't watered down in 14 different directions like SWTOR and Star Trek Online.

Everything CCP has tried to do outside of that focus (DUST/WoD/WiS) has failed to take off (we'll have to see about Valkyrie). From where then does the confidence that a game company that has done one thing right can then go on to build some "complete sci-fi simulator" come from?

I think you are overly optimisitic and not recognizing the risk. CCP's non-FiS ventures (DUST/WoD/WiS) have done some damage to CCP and diverting attention away from core EVE again just doesn't make any kind of sense.




SOV null is being worked on (at the down under event that it was aid that a total revamp hasn't been worked on but changes and improvements could be seen next summer).

The POS revamp thing is a prime example of why forums are largely irrelevant, if the pos revamp threadnaught didn't illicit change, why do you think this thread will? CCP is a company, right or wrong they are designing the game the way they think it should be, not the way we think it should be.




As i told others, you dislike how I say it doesn't change the facts on the ground. I'm not claiming that CCP isn't working on WiS because I said so. i'm saying CCP isn't working on WiS. Period. Disliking that and disliking the New Vision is a personal perogative.

You are making assumptions about my mentality and that's a mistake. This is a discussion forum, if y'all don't like to discuss things then why post?



Non-sense (#1 especially), I'm not anti-progress, I'm anti against things I don't think are good ideas.

EVE is an excellent, focused, deep niche game. You are right on number 2 as I'd prefer it not become some kind of virutal wal-mart of people who don't like or care for what has been up to no the core theme of the game.

I've played niche IP based games where the developers made the game to appeal to a "beyond core" audience (like Mechwarrior: Vengenence among others) and it's been a sucky experience . I don't want that for EVE though I understand that CCP will do what they must.