EVE General Discussion

Yeah lol and as soon as the POS owner logs on there always seems to be a little gang form to defend their space, then you have to either a) move to another system to wait for the next mini-CTA or play who can AFK longer in space and run the other guy off... :) Usually they last a few days and then stop logging in for a while but some last for weeks lol

I'm a fan if wis and want to see more....but....given their recent patches, I'm not convinced they have the capacity to develop wis in a way that won't completely suck dev time from the rest of the game. I want more spaceship and space content than they are providing now so unless they can find the manpower, I'd rather it stay as it is.

You mean besides everywhere in this thread?



I'd like that too. So, it seems, would others. I think the logic behind it is "The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step". The ball doesn't need to start at terminal velocity - the "one more room" thing is the equivalent of asking for the gentle shove that would set it rolling down the hill.

Besides, can you really begrudge people a single room? A bar with a poker table? It seems awfully petty to me that even this small outlay is more than you're willing to allow.

Wanna start with the 1st post then?



You want more?, as i went back through the 1st 22 pages I found dozens of like examples that make no mention of EVA, boarding parties or interacting with the environment beyond "chatting and being social".

And that's the point. You say you want WiS development, the key to that is convincing more ccp customers to demand it, but (as evidenced by this very exchange) you types would rather imagine you already have that. Get your house in order, get your WiS wishing brethren to stop talking about useless stuff that turns off the FiS crowd (like diverting DEV resources from FiS to "show workers repairing my ship").

And you're saying that NONE of those things sound good to you? And that you're opposed to even the least of them, without regard for whether other people want them?

Also if you've been able to find that many dozens of cases of people talking about wanting them, then maybe people want them! And maybe having them will open up ways for the game to improve in unexpected directions. EVE players have historically used the available tools in ways that the devs didn't originally intend - just look at jet can mining.

But seriously, what would it hurt just to add a racially-appropriate common room/bar to each station where pilots can go. no weapons, just stand around chatting and maybe with a few gaming tables to play Poker or Slay or whatever. What exactly would be the harm to that? Okay, it's an expenditure of resources - is it REALLY that critical and are resources REALLY that tight and are you REALLY so miserly that you're going to say a flat "no, that should not happen"?

So you don't see the appeal: that's cool with me. But if everything done in EVE was about balance and gameplay and features then Megathrons would still look like this. So there is clearly some value to adding immersion, graphics, social and other content that's not directly related to the mechanics of flying spaceships around and doing stuff with them.

while I'm all for seeing WiS expand into EoF, there needs to be a foundation, and maybe the ball gets rolling when the first bar opens up and the first, I don't know, Gold Magnate changes hands in a poker match. I don't pretend to know where it'll go, but right now it's not going anywhere and that's a situation that I sincerely think needs to be corrected.

We have high sec for that.

We need new systems. Preferably with no ability to drop POS or station eggs. There's plenty of inhabited space to fight (or dock up / hide in POS shield) in. A little bit of wild west space where you have to put in some effort would be nice. And wormhole space doesn't count since its really quite disconnected from the rest of EVE and hence very uninteresting to me.



Yeah because they're so quick and anxious to pay attention to the rest of the threads in GD. Dev posts are like officer spawns, except a bit rarer.

Hear hear

I wanted to live in Null

But Circle of Two are really portuguese about sharing

So I worked out a way to take what I wanted without their permission

Their loss

Thats how you play

I knew I should’ve re-worded that part as soon as I posted it. Let me do that now. I think the mobile structures are really cool additions. (that is…until you visit Jita….yay for more space junk to litter the systems with…) They do certainly make life easier in various aspects like the ones you described and harder for moon mining POS owners. Both of which I see as good things. However in terms of an expansion or working towards this “colonization” vision CCP apparently now has, I see it as weak. The just have a feel of second hand ideas that were thrown in to fill out something that equates to an “expansion”.



I spent a good portion of my Eve “life” in Null, both with small alliances fighting alone and with enormous coalitions. I am certainly not against the null blocs or else even I would see myself as a hypocrite. I’m also not against player built stargates. I actually do think they’re a cool idea. However, so far there has never been mention from CCP of any back doors. So I have to go by what information we have, and attempt to avoid speculation. So let’s imagine they create these new systems for us to explore and “colonize”. However from another video with CCP Seagull speaking (that I’ll have to look up when I don’t feel so lazy), only the ones who can build and complete these new constructible stargates will be able to access it, which will give cause for much conflict. Does this really sound like something the entire Eve community can get behind? Do you actually expect the entire player community to get excited about new space that, from the tid bits they’ve shared, lead us to conclude that only the most powerful groups will be able to build these stargates and access all this new space? If they had mentioned back doors, then perhaps more would have been excited.

And five years of expansions to develop what they gave to us in one expansion.? (Apocrypha) I’m sorry if I, and I’m sure many many others, have a hard time getting excited by this “new vision” until they give something more substantial to chew on.



You said yourself almost exactly what I’m seeking from WiS. I’m not looking to just “(walk) to a bar in a spacestation”, sit down on a seat, and stare at all the pretty surroundings while I chat with my corpmates or local. If I wanted that, I’d actually leave my hanger, plop down in my seat in the CQ and stare at all the pretty surroundings while I chat with my corpmates or local. The addition of just seeing other docked players in their avatar forms does absolutely nothing for added gameplay. Immersion? Sure. Gameplay? No. I’m asking for both immersion AND gameplay. In simple packages at first like the minigames I’ve so often mentioned.

Now THIS I want to see. Do you have a link by chance? I looked at CCP Seagull's vision video at fanfest, and admittedly only watched her portion and not the whole thing, so did I miss it?

Anyways, the more I see this thread develop, the more I see WiS naysayers take desperate stabs. Occasionally, good points are made on both side, and the brutal honesty of some of them really don't bode well with me. The lack of any dev response for example. To be quite honest, I don't expect a dev response in here at all, not because they don't want to respond to another WiS post, but because it seems they have real reason to be surfing the general discussion forums anyways. I mean, if they wanted the genuine opinion of their community (and I wish or hope that's the case), they would delegate that to employees who would collect and process this information and bring it to them. But I'm under the impression this doesn't happen because of repeated times in the past that it seems the devs have walked away from the visions of those in the forums, and into the visions of those closest to their ears, and I'm going to have to assume that's the CSM members for the most part. Would WiS have ended up the way it did if CCP was focused on listening to their playerbase? I don't think so. And your always going to hear two sides of a story in a place like this, but... as of today, I've gone over this entire thread (it took 3 days to get around to finishing it), and the amount of likes thrown at those who've supported WiS and made strong effective points and cases on the matter (and the absolute negligence of likes given to the majority of the naysayers) really tells someone like me all I need to know, and perhaps that's how it could and should be gauged by CCP as well.

From my perspective though, I try to remain a neutral party in this. Both sides made valid points and arguments, and I have only what my own wishes are for EVE to go off of. I do not see how CCP will be able to stay away from WiS if they wish to survive another decade. Avatars are becoming an increasing part of their trailers, leading to the illusion that there's more to avatars than what is currently there. On the opposite end of the argument I have to agree that WiS should not be taking away from development of everything else in EVE, HOWEVER, I feel that's awfully narrow-minded for anyone to just narrow down the experience of EVE Online to just WiS or a pure spaceship experience. There is simply too much good to be said about a game moving in a more all-encompassing direction that allows for a "sci-fi simulation" as opposed to just that of "spaceship simulation" (and I use the word "simulation" with the latter VERY loosely, this is no simulator). Perhaps it would be more accurate to refer to "sci-fi simulation" as a second life experience. Not even the most devout of WiS or anti-avatar naysayers could say that they don't come to EVE Online to step out of the shoes of daily life in order to experience something that seems greater than themselves, or to experience something they couldn't any other way. That is exactly the direction that future development of WiS or avatar game play would take the game (done right at least). Again, I stress that I agree that future development in these areas should not take away from the rest of EVE.

And on that note, the only solution I see if hiring an independant staff for the sole purpose of fleshing out and developing station environments and meaningful avatar gameplay outside of the ships in a manner that does not detract from the original spirit of EVE Online. But given that this not only has not happened, but I've seen (rather read about) a couple of significant lay offs at CCP, I'm lead to believe that CCP does not have this capacity anymore. I'm left imagining CCP as a bare handful of people doing only what it takes to keep the game afloat via content patches (that they so boldly call expansions), and completely incapable of embracing and developing what this thread has been (originally) all about. This has really put a hamper on my hope for the future of EVE Online, because I feel too that no one at CCP is strong enough to take this game in the bold new directions that advancements like this would allow. This, everything that's been discussed in this thread, only opens doors to the possibility of a greater and more notable epic that is EVE Online.

Well, anyways... I'll keep hoping for it's future. And I will do my best to continue to enjoy what is currently before me. Yes, I am a player that plays EVE Online because of what I HOPE it will become. Viewed as a foolish notion by many, it seems easily forgotten that this is how you support software developers that you believe in. With the upcoming promise of another space epic that seemingly offers what a lot of us here are looking for, and then some, it's entirely possible I may not be here much longer. But here, right now, I believe in CCPs past visions (yes, that means the promises they failed to deliver), and hope that they will come. I know there are people in CCP who dare to dream bigger, and reality (and the cowering management in the corner) be damned of all of it. Time will tell what comes of it.

Whats wrong with a little bit of immersion, anyway a major part of the fun would be watching some of the griefers trying to keep people trapped in the bar by bumping them around it, so they can't get back to the turbo lift to return to the CQ so they cannot undock, hmmm that is gameplay if I am not mistaken....

As for the new space, if that is only for those that make the gates, ho hum..., meh!