EVE General Discussion

To be quite honest with you I don't think that further development of WiS would be a Bad Thing™. I just think that there's an awful lot of work left for CCP to do to fix/improve other areas of the game before redirecting the developer resources necessary. I also think that CCP needs to consider quite carefully what counts as engaging gameplay versus what counts as frivolous gameplay.

Ironically though I think some development of features that could be included in WiS could have saved CCP from most or even all of the bad rep they've gotten this year. Namely, if they had implemented some sort of lottery inside the game itself, they could have done rare ship giveaways/etc. without relying on SOMER Blink.

I don't buy this whole 5 year plan bollox, how can it take 5 years to add a new map and stargates to the game. You can randomly seed a map for game use in like 1 second, plus the gate graphics have already been made as we fly through them every day. Setting up the PI/Manufacturing requirements for the gate is trivial, just another DB entry and allowing them to deploy is as simple as adding in a different class of POS to the map. Being generous this is one expansion's worth of work at best. I reiterate that EVE is in maintainence mode and that this whole 5 year plan has been dreamed up by CCP to give the illusion of ongoing work to us the playebase whilst they concentrate on the side projects.

~15 people fired from World of Darkness team / CCP Atlanta office. That means more resources for EVE and possible WiS development boost - right, guys?...

It's like CCP is doing everything they can to lose in upcoming spaceship MMO sandbox competition.

*Snip* Please refrain from discussing other (non-EvE/Dust/Valkyrie) games. ISD Ezwal.

btw , is ther enone ultimate rich in real life player who wants to depo couple of mil to ccp so tey can harvest resources for WiS?

Dear developers:

The game is perfect the way it is, and the costumer support even more. Please keep going.

Thanks.

Not exactly sure what point your trying to make there.

well i pumped tens of thousands of dollars of my money into CCP over the past several years and by god i am going to let them know they better get their **** together and stop fooling around because i want my investment to last another decade or more. so if more people want to walk around stations and it revives a new aspect of the game and doesnt hurt what we have THEN DO IT! if they cant do it right at first they better get off their ass and figure it out!

That's my issue with this whole player built stargates plan. It all sounds very familiar. In fact, both of these comments sound very familiar. Unfortunately, people have forgotten the attitude towards WiS pre-Incarna because of all the other problems that came around the same time. And now we have that same pre-Incarna attitude we once had for WiS directed towards stargates. Although, dare I say, everyone seems less excited by it then they were WiS. In fact, and I'm going out on a limb here in saying this, the only person at CCP that I even get the impression is extremely excited for player built stargates is CCP Seagull.

However, I don't question whatsoever that they'll be more successful in their release of player built stargates than they were WiS because it's spaceship based, similar stuff to what we already have. Closer in similarity to wormholes. Incarna, if it had been implemented right, could have been nearly as cool as Apocrypha, because with Apocrypha, it brought a whole new aspect to the game never seen before. New NPCs and AI, new space (some with spacial effects), skill queue, tech 3 modular ships, etc. It basically added a new gameplay style to Eve. WiS could've brought a whole new aspect to the game as well, but was nothing at all what we were expecting and was completely incomplete.

And to all those people complaining about how space would be a lot less traveled because people will never undock since they'd be enjoying the in-station environments, I ask "what about the number of people that disappeared into the depths of W-Space. Did it make a huge difference on the other 3 areas of space occupancy?" I certainly didn't notice any. And I think it'd be the same with WiS (as long as it's addition to the gameplay is developed correctly).

It's a strange objection anyway, because -

A: Being undocked doesn't automatically mean you're going to interact with that person anyway.
B: A lot of player interaction is via the market, and can be with people who aren't even online right now.
C: Less people flying means less TiDi.
D: Any good EoF mechanic would produce stuff that would then make it into space and be flown around.
E: Any good EoF mechanic would encourage moving around between different stations rather than "farming" one station.
F: New features attract new players, and anything that attracts new players increases the space traffic.
G: The space stuff will still exist, and will still be profitable and interesting enough to attract people. half a million subscribers who've spent ten years happily bumbling around in their spaceships aren't suddenly going to vanish to the poker tables and never undock ever again.

It's fear-mongering rather than an actually well-founded argument.



Riiiight. I'm going to pretend you're not a troll here and say something:

Paying for our accounts does not entitle us to anything save the right to log into TQ and play EVE Online. We pay CCP to gain access to whatever they have made and chosen to sell us, and our entitlement ends the second we receive that service. This does not give the right to demand anything - we are not investors or shareholders, we are customers, and CCP uphold their end of the bargain simply by allowing us to log in. All the nice stuff like expansions, holiday gift items, fanfests and so on are generous extras.

I sit here and argue about this stuff "like a nerd" because I believe that a well-made, calm argument on merit carries much more weight than throwing a tantrum and making demands based on how I pay for four hundred accounts and three hundred PLEX every twelve days. What I'm doing here IS telling CCP that I care about EVE on Foot - I know that the devs do watch these forums threads even if they're typically (and wisely) silent, and trust that if I explain my thoughts then maybe it's going to inspire them, keep the subject fresh and current in their minds, and generally promote EoF arriving sooner rather than later.

I'm sure CCP is grateful for your money - but the amount of money you give them has nothing to do with whether or not the things you want should make it into the game.

FC map room is good. I'd also like an industrial planning room Tony Stark Style. where me and the team can gather round a graphical representation of our current resources and chains, divvy out tasks and identify what it is we need and who's going to go get it.

If I could explode, say, a Tengu subsystem BPO into its required components, and explode those into their required components and so on and say, "okay, we're running short on melted nanoribbons and C320, and we're going to need some electronic engineering datacores soon" while we're all stood in an office looking at and being able to discuss the exact same information? That'd be great. And much better-implemented in three dimensions in avatar-based gameplay than via a 2d window in the space overview.