EVE General Discussion

This thread isn't about making cloaky/stabbed farmers easier to catch, but making the game fun to play again and making FW work around PVP.

My normal routine of playing these days is:
Log in, start chasing farmers, chase them for couple of hours, log off to sleep with maybe 1 good fight against neutrals.

If we didnt spend all our time chasing those people, we wouldnt have a home in a week. I would rather lose our home because someone kicked us out by force, and not because people burn out of playing chase the farmers for few weeks.

I can make an example for null guys that dont seem to understand the problem at all. think about 10 cloaky/stabbed inties coming to your system every hour for a month, if any of those inties sit in your system for 10 minutes uninterrupted, you lose your system.

That's a really twisted way of seeing FW- the whole idea of LP plex payouts is to reward pilots for winning in FW PVP, you win a plex, you get LP. You kill a war target, get LP.

For those who prefer not to fight others, FW offers also a PVE way of making money, FW missions. Because they are PVE, they don't affect system occupancy.

If you want to keep plexes as a risk-free ISK printing machine, then introduce some other mechanic that determines system occupancy, preferably something that involves people shooting each others in the face in order to conquer solar systems.

If you want real meaningfull war go to null sec

too bad the FRB servers getting little empty nowdays , the arcade mode is utterly ****, point click mouse

Can anybody offer a valid reason against having timer resets on plexes?
Farmers could still fit cloaks and stabs and make isk plexing, they would just have to work harder to do it. Defenders more interested in PvP don't have to waste as much time chasing farmers and orbiting buttons. Any L.P farming should be done by running missions and these would be unaffected by a plex timer reset.

no , i think that one is a good idea , it works both ways. if i let a non stab farmer run away or simply win a fight i can get quicker lp as a reward.

This is pretty funny! The answer is, of course, for the 'defender' not to leave the plex. Once you have driven off the enemy, you hang around till the timer ends. That's why there is no need for a timer reset - YOU are supposed to run the timer down once you have established control over the plex. You know, like you're supposed to do if you are all about warzone control. The farmer can only farm if you are more concerned with running from plex to plex getting kills rather than actually completing the plexes yourself.

We want people to fight in a war. Not to run and hide.

Told you, then screamed it at you .. then CCP went ahead with "expansion" despite logical reasoning from the few non-drooling entrenched FW players. Kept saying it even after general drooling developed into full blown frothing-at-mouth-LP-greed and alliances were allowed in with no restrictions whatsoever ... and on and on.

At any rate: Welcome to the Fix FW Club.

PS: And yes, I am that full of myself .. sometimes unwarranted, but in this completely justified.

Roll-backs won't do it on their own, too many damn systems to cover. Plays a major role though.

Additionals/Alternatives:
- De-couple majority of LP generation from warzone influence, lets farmers farm while the rest of us get to shoot each other over imaginary holdings.
- Make LP store offers less valuable outside of FW itself (gonna cause some rage, but surest way of evicting farmers).
- Better options for using space actually captured, upgrade stuff is just moronic .. much better than what was introduced but who even knows or cares what is gained other than a point towards tier.
- Remove tier. Screw global, go local! Make system upgrades expensive and valuable as hell, to create pockets of high activity and the bloodshed that follows.
- Diminishing returns when deliberately operating away from enemy (ie. in the hinterlands).
- Give neutrals (pirates) a reason beyond random ganks to enter plexes, that is add unaligned as a 3rd faction. I want to see Amak as Tortuga .. entrenched neutrals of various colours warding off the evil imperialistic milita's and profiting from it.
- Inhibit the ability to force project into warzone (and low-sec in general) from "outside". If ****-ant Denmark can demand the mighty US disarm (nukes anyway) military ships before entering their waters surely the Empires of Eve can set (similar) restrictions on capitals entering their spheres of influence.
- Rat/Plex balance to be better in tune with reward. Full-spawn-stop mechanic is probably the main contributor to the farm.

"My source of income is elsewhere and I pvp in militia space. I want you to pvp against me, and make profit elsewhere"

And we're back to "FW is supposed to be a way to introduce new players to pvp". Good thinking - we all know we should try harder to "repopulate" high sec.

Expanding FW system and adding new stuff sounds great, but limiting amount of people by cutting profits is what I said earlier - counter-productive.

This conversation is similar to "t4 missions are op". They will always be no-lifers who want to "cheat" the game and farm tremendous amounts of cash in most mudane ways possible, but you cannot destroy a part of the game just to hurt them. Especialy because they will just move elsewhere and bother someone else. Learn to live with no-lifers. Their Eve/IRL are but empty shells compared to normal people. Allow some compassion into you heart, and feel better about chasing them to kill.