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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2013-12-07 10:17:44 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
I Love Boobies wrote:
If you have issues with names in game, petition it. They get taken care of if they are against the rules. I know I seen a couple of corps that blatantly referred to pedophilia, had disgusting things in their bio and so on, reported them, and CCP took care of them.

Leads me to wonder how many people consider your name and corp name to be inappropriate and have thus petitioned you for it.
Granted I'm not one of those people.
But then again we also have https://gate.eveonline.com/Alliance/GaNg%20BaNg%20TeAm (whose alliance logo is probably the most amusing of any in the game).

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#22 - 2013-12-07 10:25:00 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
but it's also a pile of kindling

Nobody uses that definition for any purpose other than trolling or making excuses for their own childishness.

While it's possible he was using the name of a player, corporation, or alliance, I very much doubt that was the case.


It's also a type of food, a guy on fb got a ban for saying that he couldn't wait to eat his faggots.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
Vicky Somers
Rusty Anchor
#23 - 2013-12-07 11:01:20 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
But then again we also have https://gate.eveonline.com/Alliance/GaNg%20BaNg%20TeAm (whose alliance logo is probably the most amusing of any in the game).


That's pretty good. Lol
Abisha Baboli
#24 - 2013-12-07 11:22:40 UTC
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
but it's also a pile of kindling

Nobody uses that definition for any purpose other than trolling or making excuses for their own childishness.

While it's possible he was using the name of a player, corporation, or alliance, I very much doubt that was the case.


It's also a type of food, a guy on fb got a ban for saying that he couldn't wait to eat his faggots.


lets be fair, anyone knows the first definition, of that word.
and no food did not got on my mind Straight also i think it's good CCP have a strict policy about names, they can be quite powerful.
and really can have negitive or positive effects ingame.
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
#25 - 2013-12-07 12:35:56 UTC
While reporting them is the obviously correct response, there's still the issue of what do you do while CCP gets thier act together and does something about it. I know from my own experiences that a name report, even a very blatant one, can take weeks to resolve if GMs are particularly busy.

As far as I can see, until the GM does intervene, it does in fact give them an advantage, because unless one is say, on teamspeak, you end up with a lot of what I like to call 'mob speak', which can lead to confusion in trying to, say, give intel or organize a fleet.

Player 01: We need to gank those guys.
Player 02: Which guys?
Player 01: The guys with the name.
Player 02: Which name?
Player 01: You know, the name
Vicky Somers
Rusty Anchor
#26 - 2013-12-07 21:57:55 UTC
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
Player 01: We need to gank those guys.
Player 02: Which guys?
Player 01: The guys with the name.
Player 02: Which name?
Player 01: You know, the name


Roll

oh god
Noddy Comet
Lysdexic Agnostics - Thier is no Dog
#27 - 2013-12-07 22:13:05 UTC
I Love Boobies wrote:
If you have issues with names in game, petition it. They get taken care of if they are against the rules.


Whole point of the original and this thread sailed right over that bald dome, didn't it?

[i]"The biggest problem with quotes on the Internet, is that just because it's on the Internet too many believe them to be real" -[/i]Abraham Lincoln's "Berlin Wall" speech at the 1984 Winter Olympics.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#28 - 2013-12-07 22:20:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Epeen
Gregor Parud wrote:
Just because CCP hasn't been taking care of all the things that break the EULA doesn't somehow mean you can just do it without repercussion. "Sorry officer, you haven't caught and trailed all murderers yet so you can't arrest me for killing these here people".



But this is more akin to a witness being thrown in jail for calling the officer 'Detective Fuknutz' even though that's what his name-tag says.

Mr Epeen Cool
Linna Baresi
#29 - 2013-12-07 22:57:43 UTC
Xavier Higdon wrote:
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
Yeah, the individual case is muddy, I grant, but that's not what I'm talking about. It just brought it to my attention.

The question is, is this not an exploit?


The fact is that unless you want corporation creation to take a week and also face strong and, frankly, oppressive naming rules the only means CCP has to monitor corp names is through the slow in-house process of elimination and the much quicker process of community involvement. It is not an exploit, as CCP will gladly remove the offending corp name, which is why you see names like "EVE Corporation 0123456789." Report the offending corps so that CCP can remove their names instead of being a 12 year old who screams the dirty word between giggles.


This is factually incorrect. It is entirely possible to check for forbidden words in names at the point of submitting, and returning a 'this name is not allowed, please pick another' at the moment of creation. I should know, it happened to me:

I've been using this name for years, in many MMO. One MMO considered the fact the word 'bare' was in it offensive, and it was automatically and instantly rejected. (And yes, that was taking things a bit too far.. I mean BARE???)

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Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
#30 - 2013-12-07 23:10:28 UTC
I think the real issue with the names is CCP really really really doesn't like giving players a chance to change their names.

The "permanent name" thing gets treated like it is a guiding principle...

... so important that they are even reluctant to change a word they have policies against (as you outline)


They assume that players who train and sell characters as a business enterprise would use offensive names on purpose to let the new buyer name the trained character whatever they wanted. That makes the character worth more.

In the same sense, the sudden option to pick a name of their choice for a highly trained character might be worth billions of isk more for some characters (especially if it was a swing from a truly unfortunate name to anything the buyer wanted)


The ablity to rename characters is a long debate in itself with a sizable percentage of players against even limmited conditions for a name change (expense, period between changes, etc that could limit things.. and I could imagine other requirments for new names that were subject to far more limitations than first time names....to re-naming in pursuit of advantage even more).


"Where would we stop? " Is a consideration too. "How offensive" . Is "****" an offensive word ? Must the context of it be important ...i.e "EndRape" ok and "RapeThemAll" not?

Personally, I think these decisions can be made on a case by case basis but so many people here are so socially dysfunctional that they can't even contemplate that subjective calls of "good taste" would be "generally positive" or that getting called on the wrong side of a cusp gray area call is some severe wrong..



If it were up to me, any marginally offensive name would be forced to pick of 10 names from the random name genrator...

All names would have a first name and a last name.. only have the first charcater of each name capitalized and no use of numerals etc..... at least for the re-names...

BUT.. game players seem to like xXRapeTheBunny42Xx type names... or "Pthetic M0r0n" , etc. and find my suggestion offensive.

To each their own.. it is the developers decision what sort of environment they want and whether it is worth having the odd subsegment of society that gamers represent bent out of shape.

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Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#31 - 2013-12-07 23:26:15 UTC
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
(redacted: inane drivel)


I don't care about ANY of what you said. I just wanted to remind everyone that Catch 22 was an awesome book, and everyone should read it.

Also, IB4L; ranting is prohibited. ISD Ezwal gonna lock da s**t outta you...


I agree and was hoping this was a literature thread. However, I was pleasantly surprised to find a thread in GD where the title and the post fit well together. I am looking forward to an answer on this. Perhaps CCP could code something up really quick to find such offensive character, corp, and alliance names. Maybe Chribba could come up with something that would easily generate a comprehensive list? I'd like to see the names as well as bios cleaned up a bit.

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#32 - 2013-12-08 00:33:10 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD LackOfFaith
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