Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I'd love to see the explanation of this one. Or are you still confused, thinking I'm asking for some change which makes PVE somehow easy?

OK, so you are aligned, I fly my ship cloaked into the side of you. Bump. I now have plenty of time to target you before you can do anything. You had no chance to see me, no chance to respond and no chance to fight back. Oh yeah, not at all OP eh?

Bull. A cloaked T3 could easily bump a miner out of alignment.
And no, bumping is not OP. Cloaking is not OP. But the ability to safely AFK 24/7 is ridiculous. So remove AFK. That's what I'm saying. At no point have I suggested a nerf to cloaks, I've merely said I'm against a massive buff to cloaks which would mean they are on you before you can even tell they are nearby. Maybe you should read the thread rather than making assumptions that make you look silly.

I assume you mean the scenario where a cloaked stealth bomber is trying to catch up to a non-cloaked, aligned ship. Obviously, that aligned ship is aligned to something, and oftentimes that something is conveniently in the direction of some celestial. So what is a stealth bomber to do when the aligned ship is faster than his cloaked max speed? If there is a celestial in the direction and alignment of the target, what can we do with that? You can warp to celestials. And you can warp back to your previous location (bookmark) at 100 km. With how fast frigates warp, that puts you 100km forward in the target's direction in a few seconds of warping out and back. Rinse and repeat until you are in front of the target and suddenly you have a bump vector which is contrary to his alignment. OMG! How did I do that? Creative thinking .. The stuff that makes pvp for the smart in Eve fun.

I assume that this is under consideration of a local which hid the presence of the cloaked ships, where a ship's alignment could be screwed up without warning from a cloaked ship which also has the capability of stopping the MJD with a scram. Does he have worse problems with such close range? An energy neut, maybe. But if he had a friend at range with a point, then if he lost his scram, then the secondary long point would hold the ship without risk of the energy neutralizer taking it down.

Obviously, the non-aligned sentry boats and the slow battleships are in a much worse plight regarding cloaked bumps in a local-blind universe.

It's not aligned unless it is moving fast enough to warp.

Bumping a moving ship, actually moving at 75% velocity in order to properly warp as needed, does not become easier in a t3.

To intersect a moving ship already moving at speed, it either needs to be huge, or you need to be lucky. Rear ending someone because you were going faster is probably useless. You simply boost them in the direction they were already moving in.

Safety is not what you are complaining about (at least not on the part of the guy cloaked) if safety were your problem you'd be advocating making it impossible to log off outside of a starbase or station. Uncertainty is the thing you want to remove.

I'm actually fine with an "AFK" flag, seriously, go ahead, 30 minutes without interacting with the client, pop a star next to them in local, once they do something, take it down.

If safety were the issue then you'd also favor doing something about people in station.

Yeah, I don't see anyone abusing the AFK flag and nobody complaining about it. No not at all.

Next it wont be AFK cloaking it will be these people coming back from being flagged AFK to frequently.

A solo player is not much of a threat to 3-5 players.

Then again a player with a cyno may not be much of a threat to 3-5 players either. What if the guy with a cyno can bring in only 4-5 other guys?

I know, I know in Andy's world the hostile has an infinite number of buddies who are simply waiting to get a ping to log on and gank smoe hapless PvE guy. However, the reality is that may be the case (the guy with the cyno has plenty of friends) or it may not be the case. What he has on the BLOPs right now is all he can get.

This is why I'll use words like, maybe, perhaps, possibly, probably. Whereas others here use words that are more appropriate to instances of certainty or near certainty.

If I assume the bad guy always has the upper hand...he wins without having to do anything because I have defeated myself.

Have you been around in Eve that long? That must have been WAY before my time. And even IF that is so, complaining about a Buzzard is hardly interesting. What is a Buzzard going to do? Tickle me to death? What is a cyno blue ball going to do? Anything it wants in a few seconds flat. Cyno hotdrops are worthy of concern and you know it. If the hotdropping FC only has 5 ships ready to jump, but sees an expensive PVE ship, you had better believe that if he can't wake up his friends for some easy action, then he is at the very least rattling the cages of his friend's friends. He WILL GET THE NUMBERS. Will it be infinity? No. But it most certainly will be much greater than enough to take the target down super fast AND handle anything the target can manage to bring in during those few, precious seconds.



The flag is pointless unless it ALSO involves a warp out to deadspace for the duration of the flag. Part of "being" AFK is being separated from the action, otherwise it doesn't mean anything. Frankly, I think that the ship's warp drive should also take 30s to come back online for it to warp out of the deadspace pocket. So the AFK tag disappears and the ship cannot begin the warp back to normal space for another 30s.

I did test it on the Test server. This was the second phase of my testing. The test server does not have OP stealth bombers with regular cynos, but I had a pretty good idea how to deal with them. The thing I could not anticipate or test for on the Test server was the blue traitor who created a bookmark near me while cloaked and then turned that bookmark over to the hostile stealth bomber. That said, the loss merely illustrates the OP combination of stealth bomber with cyno and point and blue bookmark, and the OP supercap. Which is why I advocate for various solutions which scale back the powers of the stealth bomber, the cyno, and the supercap.

As for the good ol' days and the buzzard, they could have had friends nearby was probably the big fear back then.

Your fear of *cyno* is a bit over-blown. And given its usefulness in other contexts the nerfs you are likely hoping for will be highly unlikely.