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[Rubicon 1.1] Sisters of EVE Battleship

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MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#1121 - 2013-12-07 15:49:02 UTC
Thaddeus Eggeras wrote:
The Nestor is good as is. Shut it and let's get it on SiSi to get tested so it can be adjusted IF needed


just remove the lazor/hacking bonus replace with jump bridge and jump drive.

then we are good.

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Dato Koppla
Balls Deep Inc.
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#1122 - 2013-12-07 16:06:19 UTC
Currently it's just kinda lame, doesn't really bring anything new to the table, the exploration bonuses are going to be useless 95% of the time and I mean who hacks in a BS? Seriously. RR 'fits' the theme but is boring and on such an expensive hull it's unlikely spider tanking gangs will be used. I think it needs a complete overhaul.
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#1123 - 2013-12-07 16:14:31 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
Thaddeus Eggeras wrote:
The Nestor is good as is. Shut it and let's get it on SiSi to get tested so it can be adjusted IF needed


just remove the lazor/hacking bonus replace with jump bridge and jump drive.

then we are good.


Why do you even bother to act like the hacking and scanning bonuses exist? Rise already said he won't swap them with something else. I suspect the laser bonuses are the same.
Thaddeus Eggeras
Urkrathos Corp
#1124 - 2013-12-07 16:19:13 UTC
Nope those bonuses need to stay so the ship stays in line with the other SoE ships. I could see the reapair bonuses going for being about to jump through covert cynos and regular cynos, but really I don't care. It's good enough to get on SiSi and go through testing.
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#1125 - 2013-12-07 16:20:32 UTC
We have to wait for the model to be finished anyway, so might as well discuss.
Thaddeus Eggeras
Urkrathos Corp
#1126 - 2013-12-07 16:22:37 UTC
It's not finished, how dare you CCP haha
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#1127 - 2013-12-07 16:29:01 UTC
i just wish the domi could get 400 dronebay
- 4 bouncers
- 5 gardes
-5 ogres
-5 warriors

an extra 25 would allow 5 bouncers instead

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
Thaddeus Eggeras
Urkrathos Corp
#1128 - 2013-12-07 16:31:24 UTC
And like I said before I WISH my wife would have a 3some with me and a super model, but we don't get everything we wish for now do we?
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#1129 - 2013-12-07 16:35:51 UTC
I really do want it to stay the way it is... and this isn't a post that's supposed to start a rant again, but these are the only things I would want to change at all-

- Add +2 Warp Core Strength, in place of it having a Covert Ops Cloak, which would be kind of overpowered

- Increase the Virus Strength bonus to +15

- Add Jump Drive Capabilities. It would start to become a pseudo black ops ship, and that would be useful for this ship's role.

- Or, alternatively, go with the "Escort Carrier" Idea and give it:
==> Bonus to Armor Repair Drones instead of RARs
==> A 300,000 m3 Ship Maintenance Bay
==> Expand the Drone Bay to 575 m3
==> And use the Jump Drive idea

Honestly, the ship doesn't "need" any of these things- It's really fine as is, and could put out considerable DPS while sustaining a good tank. But the Jump Drive or Core Strength would be welcome additions.

I just can't wait to fly one, really.

"A City made of Dreams is built in heaven"
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#1130 - 2013-12-07 16:49:32 UTC
using rep drones on a ship where its majority of dps comes from drones is just plain stupid in most cases

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
Phoenix Jones
Small-Arms Fire
#1131 - 2013-12-07 16:56:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Phoenix Jones
Harvey James wrote:
using rep drones on a ship where its majority of dps comes from drones is just plain stupid in most cases


Because all logistics ships use dps drones to max dps as there repairing people (dps drones on logi ships are merely used to get on killboards). THere are the rare occasion where the ships fit for some odd dps platform, but thats a rarity.

Logistic Drone bonus would be welcomed here, but I would keep the dps damage from drones bonus also (gives people a choice).

Variety helps (and yes I see this ship as more of a logistics repair platform than a dps max gank fake dominix ship).

Yaay!!!!
Thaddeus Eggeras
Urkrathos Corp
#1132 - 2013-12-07 17:08:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Thaddeus Eggeras
Really? We don't think it already has ENOUGH bonuses, it needs more? This is why CCP does n't listen to us anymore...
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#1133 - 2013-12-07 17:23:41 UTC
Harvey James wrote:
using rep drones on a ship where its majority of dps comes from drones is just plain stupid in most cases

Its the idea of giving a choice, really. You don't have to use the Rep drones, but they'll work well if you do.

The ship is usable in a lot of situations in this way- anyways, it's only brainstorming P

"A City made of Dreams is built in heaven"
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#1134 - 2013-12-07 17:25:13 UTC
Thaddeus Eggeras wrote:
Really? We don't think it already has ENOUGH bonuses, it needs more? This is why CCP does n't listen to us anymore...


It has more then enough bonus they just happen to be the wrong ones.

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Thaddeus Eggeras
Urkrathos Corp
#1135 - 2013-12-07 17:31:03 UTC
I guess we will see when it comes out if they are the wrong ones or not won't we haha
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#1136 - 2013-12-07 17:40:03 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
Thaddeus Eggeras wrote:
Really? We don't think it already has ENOUGH bonuses, it needs more? This is why CCP does n't listen to us anymore...


It has more then enough bonus they just happen to be the wrong ones.


Exactly… As I have been saying since the stats were announced: Focus the ship on a useful role. The logistics BS is the best way to go. Focus should be on effective remote reps in a group PVP/PVE environment. Fill the gap between logistics ship and carrier. Range of 20-30km for ALL remote reps and energy transfers. Bonus to ALL remote rep and energy transfer amount. 6-7-7 layout. 5 turrets. No specific tanking bonus. Let the players choose how to tank it. No weapon bonus, except for drone damage, repair amount, speed, and optimal range. 400m3 drone bay. 125mb bandwidth. Players should have a lot of freedom in how they want to use it.

If you want to leave on the hacking and scanning bonuses, fine. Do that. But make the ship able to perform the primary role well. Will some people still prefer Logistics ships? Yes, but not everyone. A 2 billion ISK ship should at least be good for something.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#1137 - 2013-12-07 17:42:40 UTC
If this silly abomination is going to be an exploration ship, it needs some bonus to make it somewhat survivable. A bonus to MJD or cloaked velocity makes some sense.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Thaddeus Eggeras
Urkrathos Corp
#1138 - 2013-12-07 17:50:01 UTC
Wah wah wah. Whining again. It's fine as is. be nice to see the repair bounses go and be replaced with a cloak velocity and be about to jump through cynos, but it isn't gonna happen. So either find a way to use this, or don't fly it.

Already have found a way to use it in L4s and 10 sites, for PvP, for Logi, and in exploring. BAM!
Mournful Conciousness
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1139 - 2013-12-07 17:51:38 UTC
Thaddeus Eggeras wrote:
Wah wah wah. Whining again. It's fine as is. be nice to see the repair bounses go and be replaced with a cloak velocity and be about to jump through cynos, but it isn't gonna happen. So either find a way to use this, or don't fly it.

Already have found a way to use it in L4s and 10 sites, for PvP, for Logi, and in exploring. BAM!


Confirming that I am looking forward to meeting your PVP nestor.

Embers Children is recruiting carefully selected pilots who like wormholes, green killboards and the sweet taste of tears. You can convo me in game or join the chat "TOHA Lounge".
Thaddeus Eggeras
Urkrathos Corp
#1140 - 2013-12-07 17:52:51 UTC
Yuo won't meet her alone, don't worry and not on this toon either :^ ) But if you live in 0.0 you might someday. Doubtful though, I kinda HATE BS for PvP, unless in CTAs.