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Zarak1 Kenpach1
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#461 - 2011-11-21 13:25:53 UTC
Vincent Gaines wrote:
Phunnestyle wrote:

the Fighters take precidence over Fighter bombers since it is primary among all else that we be at least able to give a subcap fleet a fight .


Yep, you still don't get it.


dont worry vincent, the fix is in. =) these attitudes will be essentially ignored by the devs.
Kryder
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#462 - 2011-11-21 14:19:34 UTC
If you are going to nerf the amount of Fighters/Fighter Bombers we carry then let us dock so it's not a PITA to change out drones. I can live with some of these changes if CCP would let me out of my coffin once in a while and make it a little easier to fit a super.

And before someone cries "station games", how hard would it be to up the session timer on docking a super? In WH if you jump between WH's too fast, you have a session timer to wait out before you can jump again. Code it so once you undock, you have to wait 10-15 minutes to dock again. That limits station games and makes some of these capital changes easier to handle.
Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy
#463 - 2011-11-21 14:38:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Pinky Denmark
Tbh ALL docking and jumping after having agressed others should be way longer than 1 minute and providing remote linking or repairing shold count as aggression too.
Shouldn't be too hard changing current mechanics to 3 or 5 minutes for subcapitals and 5-15 minutes for capitals/super capitals...
Vincent Gaines
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#464 - 2011-11-21 15:07:40 UTC
Why do you need more than 15 fighters?

Not a diplo. 

The above post was edited for spelling.
Kryder
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#465 - 2011-11-21 15:17:07 UTC
Vincent Gaines wrote:
Why do you need more than 15 fighters?




Makes our Epeen look bigger! Big smile
Charles Edisson
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#466 - 2011-11-21 17:47:11 UTC
Vincent Gaines wrote:
Why do you need more than 15 fighters?



To give you a reason to disagree with more oppinions.
DavidJayder
Maraque Enterprises
Just let it happen
#467 - 2011-11-21 18:10:00 UTC
I super think the minmatar dread buff is great!!! More cap!! Exactly what was needed.....
Vincent Gaines
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#468 - 2011-11-21 18:28:33 UTC
Charles Edisson wrote:
Vincent Gaines wrote:
Why do you need more than 15 fighters?



To give you a reason to disagree with more oppinions.



Well I was curious.

So far the only reason came from Mr. Genius up there who said it was to engage subcaps as a primary focus.

Not a diplo. 

The above post was edited for spelling.
Phunnestyle
Doomheim
#469 - 2011-11-21 20:45:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Phunnestyle
Vincent Gaines wrote:
Phunnestyle wrote:

the Fighters take precidence over Fighter bombers since it is primary among all else that we be at least able to give a subcap fleet a fight .


Yep, you still don't get it.


LOL fool, you don't get it,
yes blah blah subcap pilots want supers to be only anticapital capable,blah blah blah,so supers can't scratch your shield tanked blaster fitted prophecy,yes I know blah blah blah, but coming back to reality......

Rarely has anything been used for a sole purpose & it is stupid to think of it in such a way. Alot of alliances that actually know what there talking about unlike you evidently, are making fighters primary over FBs,so 20xFighters & possibly 10x FBs in drone bay & make enough room in hagar for other 10xFBs,wich leaves No room for spare capital remote rep & transfer aswell as fuel. This is fail, needs drone bay to have enough room for 20Fighters & 20Fighter Bombers.

Read carefully vincent, your bringing things out of context & letting your few braincells run away with you. You might find it hard to read,but ask mummy to spell the words out for you, Supers will take a full set of fighters over FBs due to the fact that if there (intercepted) by a Subcap fleet, they need to be able to at least give a fight back, although you ofc would rather they sit like lemmings whilst you & your shield tanked blaster prophecy of fail can safely plod away at it.

I LOL@U vincent,special kid.
Vertumnus
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#470 - 2011-11-21 20:48:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Vertumnus
Phunnestyle wrote:

needs drone bay to have enough room for 20Fighters & 20Fighter Bombers.


Yes

It should be 20/20 and maybe a extra 5 fb or fighters.
give the nyx/hel an extra 5 on top of that and call it a day.


Wake up CCP and start thinking....
Gol'dar
Dar Inc.
#471 - 2011-11-21 20:58:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Gol'dar
Vincent Gaines wrote:
Why do you need more than 15 fighters?



This must be a trollpost.

Why do You need 5 sentries on Your Dominix? With place for a second squad + other drones.
Why do You need 10 drones on Your carrier? Subcaps can only launch 5 drones, why 10 on carrier?
Why do You need x gun/missile launcher on Your "whatever"? 1 gun/missile launcher is acceptable.

/trollmode off

Carrier 5 = 20 fb/f, because CCP say so. Sure, CCP could castrate supers from 3fb/f to 2 fb/f per level. But this make no sence - if they should be capitalkillers furthermore. 15 fb on Aeon = 6K, on Nyx = 7,5K dps. Less than a dreadnought. With such stats (and no role) it would be better removing them from the database.
Vertumnus
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#472 - 2011-11-21 21:01:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Vertumnus
speaking of thinking...


If you are going to nurf the drone bay size, shouldn't you also adjust the amount of drone bay capital parts needed to build these ships?.... hell why stop there, how about the ammount of armor plates needed? 20% reduction would be nice :)

the biggest is this:
are you still going to need drone bay capital parts for building dreads? if so LOL


Maybe they did think of this and changed this.... can someone confirm?
HelPilot of20Years
Doomheim
#473 - 2011-11-21 22:03:12 UTC
Vertumnus wrote:
speaking of thinking...



Indeed.

People whined enough about 'super-carriers online'. In about 4-5 months, all of those MS pilots (who used to be carrier/dread pilots) are going to be titan pilots.

Titans. Everywhere.

Show's over people, time to go home and train doomsday to V.

...designed for [u]one purpose and one purpose only[/u]. ”Imagine a swarm of deadly hornets pouring from the devil’s mouth. Now imagine they have autocannons.” -Unknown Hel designer
StukaBee
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#474 - 2011-11-21 23:45:15 UTC
HelPilot of20Years wrote:
People whined enough about 'super-carriers online'. In about 4-5 months, all of those MS pilots (who used to be carrier/dread pilots) are going to be titan pilots.

Titans. Everywhere.

Show's over people, time to go home and train doomsday to V.


And then titans will get nerfed further and they'll rage and shriek even louder, it'll be great
Vincent Gaines
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#475 - 2011-11-21 23:58:56 UTC
Gol'dar wrote:
Vincent Gaines wrote:
Why do you need more than 15 fighters?



This must be a trollpost.

Why do You need 5 sentries on Your Dominix? With place for a second squad + other drones.
Why do You need 10 drones on Your carrier? Subcaps can only launch 5 drones, why 10 on carrier?
Why do You need x gun/missile launcher on Your "whatever"? 1 gun/missile launcher is acceptable.

/trollmode off

Carrier 5 = 20 fb/f, because CCP say so. Sure, CCP could castrate supers from 3fb/f to 2 fb/f per level. But this make no sence - if they should be capitalkillers furthermore. 15 fb on Aeon = 6K, on Nyx = 7,5K dps. Less than a dreadnought. With such stats (and no role) it would be better removing them from the database.



Why can't I put 5 sentries in my Gila?
Why can't I put 5 heavies in my BS?
Why do I have to reload, why can't I have infinite ammo?

CCP doesn't want you to have 20 -or- 20, they want you to choose. Sorry that's the way it is. They KNOW that you will have to mix. They know and that's the way it is.

Not a diplo. 

The above post was edited for spelling.
Vincent Gaines
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#476 - 2011-11-22 00:02:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Vincent Gaines
Phunnestyle wrote:
LOL fool, you don't get it,
yes blah blah subcap pilots want supers to be only anticapital capable,blah blah blah,so supers can't scratch your shield tanked blaster fitted prophecy,yes I know blah blah blah, but coming back to reality......

Rarely has anything been used for a sole purpose & it is stupid to think of it in such a way. Alot of alliances that actually know what there talking about unlike you evidently, are making fighters primary over FBs,so 20xFighters & possibly 10x FBs in drone bay & make enough room in hagar for other 10xFBs,wich leaves littel room for spare capital remote rep & transfer aswell as fuel. This is fail, needs drone bay to have enough room for 20Fighters & 20Fighter Bombers.

Read carefully vincent, your bringing things out of context & letting your few braincells run away with you. You might find it hard to read,but ask mummy to spell the words out for you, Supers will take a full set of fighters over FBs due to the fact that if there (intercepted) by a Subcap fleet, they need to be able to at least give a fight back, although you ofc would rather they sit like lemmings whilst you & your shield tanked blaster prophecy of fail can safely plod away at it.

I LOL@U vincent,special kid.


The minute one starts talking like an 11 year old the discussion has already ended.

You're mindlessly babbling now.

If you are "intercepted" by a subcap fleet, and yuo are alone, you deserve to die.

You should NOT be travelling without subcap support. You should NOT need to engage subcaps.


I don't know why I have to keep repeating myself to you. Stop thinking that your role is to engage subcaps because it is not. Keep thinking that and you will be one of the first to lose yours post patch.

Not a diplo. 

The above post was edited for spelling.
TinkerHell
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#477 - 2011-11-22 00:20:52 UTC
Vincent Gaines wrote:

CCP doesn't want you to have 20 -or- 20, they want you to choose. Sorry that's the way it is. They KNOW that you will have to mix. They know and that's the way it is.



I wont be mixing, I will just have 20 fighters and 15 bombers in my Nyx, and when a capital shows up ill just switch 5 fighters out of my corp hanger for the 5 bombers ill have stored there and have 20 bombers and 15 fighters instead.....and it will take me a whole of 10 seconds to switch out my drones. God bless 50km3 corp hangers, which should be renamed to be Secondary Drone Bay.
JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#478 - 2011-11-22 00:59:27 UTC
HelPilot of20Years wrote:

Indeed.

People whined enough about 'super-carriers online'. In about 4-5 months, all of those MS pilots (who used to be carrier/dread pilots) are going to be titan pilots.

Titans. Everywhere.

Show's over people, time to go home and train doomsday to V.


Well, I'm not sure what would be accomplished there when you take into account the changes to the DD's description on SISI.

Notes: This weapon can only fire on ships that are capital-sized or larger. After firing, you will be immobile for thirty seconds and will be unable to activate your jump drive or cloaking device for ten minutes.

If that makes it to Tranq I mean.
Ganthrithor
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#479 - 2011-11-22 03:33:52 UTC
Lol, there was a nice hurricanes vs 10 titans and a giant pile of nyxes fight today. Guess what killed all the hurricanes? Hint: it wasn't overpowered supercarrier drones.
Demon Azrakel
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#480 - 2011-11-22 03:48:47 UTC
Chimera. CPU. +10%-20%. Now.