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Roy Alleyne
Dark Knowledge.
#1081 - 2013-12-07 00:10:43 UTC
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote:
Michael Harari wrote:
We arent balancing ships based on appearance

Obviously P

A few of us are already happy with this now- I want it as it is and I'll be fine with that Big smile


I agree that it is more than adequate as is but I can't see myself flying this ship outside of trying to solo Data/Relic/Ghosts sigs in my own wormhole without a mobility bonus. Going anywhere else would be suicide without a fleet to scout and support you, in which case there are a myriad of other fleet combinations that accomplish the same thing with higher mobility and less cost. I'm not saying that it would be useless as is, just that I can't see anyone other than pilots with access to titans for bridging or the few C5/C6 wormhole dwellers that don't utilize Capitol escalations buying them for more than hanger queens.
Michael Harari
Genos Occidere
TRUTH. HONOUR. LIGHT.
#1082 - 2013-12-07 00:12:08 UTC
Thaddeus Eggeras wrote:


Really, ok try to do ANY L5 where you get neuted, or any sanc, or 6 of 10 or up, tell me how it goes in a T1 BS or Marauder. A RS can passive tank like no other ship can, hints why it's able to do sites only carrier can. It also can solo officer spawn, which have got a ton harder lately.

Don't worry I have NO idea what i'm talking about, as I have done ALL of these in a RS and know with a active tank you are screwed in 99% of these sites.


You can outrange the rats and the neut towers in a t1 bs.
Xequecal
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1083 - 2013-12-07 00:12:38 UTC
Thaddeus Eggeras wrote:
Really, ok try to do ANY L5 where you get neuted, or any sanc, or 6 of 10 or up, tell me how it goes in a T1 BS or Marauder. A RS can passive tank like no other ship can, hints why it's able to do sites only carrier can. It also can solo officer spawn, which have got a ton harder lately.

Don't worry I have NO idea what i'm talking about, as I have done ALL of these in a RS and know with a active tank you are screwed in 99% of these sites.


1. If passive tanking is the only way, you can also use a Navy Scorp.
2. You can blitz L5s by sniping the trigger structures from extremely long range with a cruise Golem or artillery Vargur. The same goes for all the plexes where the structure doesn't rep if you're a certain distance away from it. Just fit an XLASB, a MJD to get extreme range, a cap booster to power the MJD when you need it, and signal amplifiers for lock range. (use no cap) You can even fit damage mods to speed stuff up when you do this which you definitely can't with a passive tanked rattler.
Michael Harari
Genos Occidere
TRUTH. HONOUR. LIGHT.
#1084 - 2013-12-07 00:16:18 UTC
You can also just tank the mission in a maelstrom, although I doubt that would be a good use of time.
Thaddeus Eggeras
Urkrathos Corp
#1085 - 2013-12-07 00:30:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Thaddeus Eggeras
First off in some sites neuts can hit past 100km. Just like wes can nail you far as hell

Navy Scorp sadly can't passive tank like a RS can. I tried, I was sad : ^(

Second I also said sancs, and 10 sites, and you don't need to blitz the sites in a RS you can sit there and rock everything like a man :^ )
Michael Harari
Genos Occidere
TRUTH. HONOUR. LIGHT.
#1086 - 2013-12-07 00:34:31 UTC
Thaddeus Eggeras wrote:
First off in some sites neuts can hit past 100km. Just like wes can nail you far as hell

Navy Scorp sadly can't passive tank like a RS can. I tried, I was sad : ^(

Second I also said sancs, and 10 sites, and you don't need to blitz the sites in a RS you can sit there and rock everything like a man :^ )


There are bs that can hit well past 100km.
Thaddeus Eggeras
Urkrathos Corp
#1087 - 2013-12-07 00:38:55 UTC
Never said there wasn't, hmmm. And do you know a RS is one of them :^) All I'm saying is in a RS you don't have to be scared to do L5 sites. Also try to solo a neuting oifficer in something other then a Carrier or RS solo, let me know how it goes. Or some 10 sites
Michael Harari
Genos Occidere
TRUTH. HONOUR. LIGHT.
#1088 - 2013-12-07 00:53:04 UTC
Thaddeus Eggeras wrote:
Never said there wasn't, hmmm. And do you know a RS is one of them :^) All I'm saying is in a RS you don't have to be scared to do L5 sites. Also try to solo a neuting oifficer in something other then a Carrier or RS solo, let me know how it goes. Or some 10 sites


Tell me more about these level 5 missions that are next to officer spawns and 10/10s.

PS, any marauder can do all of that, with more dps than the rattlesnake.
Thaddeus Eggeras
Urkrathos Corp
#1089 - 2013-12-07 01:04:27 UTC
Because I said "next". Please I'm only asking but learn to read. L5s, ANY 10 site, ANY haven or sanc, and ANY officer spawn a RS can solo. ANY of them from ANY faction. Tell me ANY other ship able to do the same BUt a carrier. No don't tell me show me. Next to, really thats the best you had to come up with, wow.

P.S. No not ANY Marauder can, as they are active tanks, and I have seem officers drain a carrier, maybe you haven't been in 0.0 or dealt with the new officers. They aren't like they were, well unless the nerfed them back.
Michael Harari
Genos Occidere
TRUTH. HONOUR. LIGHT.
#1090 - 2013-12-07 01:18:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Michael Harari
Thaddeus Eggeras wrote:


P.S. No not ANY Marauder can, as they are active tanks, and I have seem officers drain a carrier, maybe you haven't been in 0.0 or dealt with the new officers. They aren't like they were, well unless the nerfed them back.


Draclira does about 1100 dps and also neuts the most.

ASB vargur (without pimping) tanks that without bastion.

Edit: Also without just swapping to specific (passive) hardeners via a depot.
Thaddeus Eggeras
Urkrathos Corp
#1091 - 2013-12-07 01:29:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Thaddeus Eggeras
So you want to put on ASBs so it cost more to PvE, good move.

And as depot swapping passive harders is easy, or you just know where you are and have the right harders in.

I'll take doing 250 passive shield rep per second and doing just over 1000DPS over using an ASB for PvE any day. And if 250 per sec isn't enough, you can get her t 600 per second and still do over 700DPS.

Don't worry a RS can rock Draclira without any worries, hell you don't even have to move. And all I'm paying for are missiles. Not ammo and charges. So not only can a RS handle them ALL, it's more cost effect, nice!
Shalashaska Adam
Snakes and Lasers
#1092 - 2013-12-07 01:31:46 UTC
Astero - Useless as an exploration frigate.

Stratios - Useless as an exploration cruiser.

Nestor - Useless as an exploration battleship.


Real shame, I was looking forward to this ship line.
Thaddeus Eggeras
Urkrathos Corp
#1093 - 2013-12-07 01:32:41 UTC
I have no idea how the Astero or Stratios are useless as exploring ships at all. What am I missing here?
Roy Alleyne
Dark Knowledge.
#1094 - 2013-12-07 01:41:07 UTC
Shalashaska Adam wrote:
Astero - Useless as an exploration frigate.

Stratios - Useless as an exploration cruiser.

Nestor - Useless as an exploration battleship.


Real shame, I was looking forward to this ship line.


Both the Astero and Stratios excell as exploration vessels due to their high agility and survivability afforded by their covops cloaks. I'm sorry that you don't see this or their use in combat sites that you find along side the data/relic sites due to their dps and tanking potential. More for me I guess :)
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#1095 - 2013-12-07 01:44:39 UTC
Yeah, the Astero and Stratios are great for what they're meant for- the Nestor is a little less focused, but I think it's really cool nonetheless- I'll be flying it Big smile

"A City made of Dreams is built in heaven"
Savira Terrant
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#1096 - 2013-12-07 04:10:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Savira Terrant
Thaddeus Eggeras wrote:
It doesn't put a RS out at all. There is still no other ship able to solo L5s etc BUt a RS and carriers. This ship might give a Domi for a run for it's money, but the RS is still the passive beast


Wrong. Golem with a little buffertank can do them. Piece of cake.
And although I hate cap boosters for PVE, Kronos can **** them. And if those two can do it, I am positive the Paladin and Vargur can too.

Thaddeus Eggeras wrote:

Quote:
You can solo L5s in t1 bs & Marauders?


Really, ok try to do ANY L5 where you get neuted, or any sanc, or 6 of 10 or up, tell me how it goes in a T1 BS or Marauder. A RS can passive tank like no other ship can, hints why it's able to do sites only carrier can. It also can solo officer spawn, which have got a ton harder lately.

Don't worry I have NO idea what i'm talking about, as I have done ALL of these in a RS and know with a active tank you are screwed in 95% of these sites.


I can fly 6/10 in a friggin Tengu, which is capdead on 2 neut cycles.

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Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#1097 - 2013-12-07 04:21:03 UTC
A dual-XLASB Vargur can L5.
Savira Terrant
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#1098 - 2013-12-07 04:35:12 UTC
Btw. I do hope CCP realizes 2 loud fanboys who changed their mind 10 pages ago in this thread doesn't make for a good ship.

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Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1099 - 2013-12-07 04:39:58 UTC
Savira Terrant wrote:
Btw. I do hope CCP realizes 2 loud fanboys who changed their mind 10 pages ago in this thread doesn't make for a good ship.

I think anyone who was serious about this ship gave up when the "all over the place" concept of the ship was deemed intentional.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#1100 - 2013-12-07 04:42:26 UTC
I continue to hope for some sort of unique cloak bonus.