EVE New Citizens Q&A

I'm a bit confused about them since I have no experience with them.
In a one vs one pvp fight what tech 1 ship would it take to beat one? A battleship?

And they can be some of the toughest nuts in the game.

Jill is being a moron.

You can build a 600K EHP Protues for example. The HAM Legion can be a 350k EHP 650 DPS Ship.

As with everything ships can be as tough or as fragile as you make them.

OP... it all depends on how the ship is fit.

Some can be made into 200,000+ EHP (effective hit point) "bricks."

Others can be made into 100,000+ EHP "brawlers" that dish 400 to 600 DPS (damage per second).

There are still others can can be made into perma-tanking powerhouses that can absorb tons-o'-damage over time but can be taken out by a high enough single volley.

And they are others that can be made into speedy "gingerbread men" that pepper you with damage from afar.


However, as with everything else in EVE, each setup has a weaknesses. It's just that with T3s it is not always as apparent as with other ships.

Not if fit properly.

Here are some examples:

- A perma-repping T3 relies on its capacitor power to absorb and repair incoming damage. If you brought a ship that uses lots of energy neutralizers then its tank will fail.

- That same "perma-repping" setup also has a weakness in not having very high EHP (generally around 30 to 50,000). If you can get weapons that deal high enough volley damage (hint: artillery cannons) then you can theoretically blow right through the ship and kill it before the repair systems kick in.

- A speedy "gingerbread man" T3 (see: a T3 that uses a battleship-class afterburner) uses a lot of its resources (powergrid and CPU) to fit that one mod and weapons. Generally they won't be able to fit a stiff tank. If you can catch and pin it down with lots of webs, you can probably brawl it down.

- A "brick" style T3 will generally be slow and may not have much in the way of offensive power... meaning that if you engage from range you can theoretically chew it up over time (a lot of time).


Another thing to consider is PvE fits versus PvP fits.

Generally speaking...
- a PvE ship of any type can be handily taken down by most PvP-fit ships.

- PvP ships are generally good at only a few select tactics... the trick is to force it into a tactic that it might be weak in or you are stronger in.


Unfortunately for many newcomers to EVE there is no straight answer regarding "what can beat what." Ship fittings, specialties, and weapon strengths/weaknesses all fall into a murky "grey area" that simply requires experience to navigate.
Hell... it is entirely possible for a frigate to kill a battlecruiser or battleship if used just right.

I have defeated a Loki 1v1 in a Vexor, although I took a ransom rather than popping them. My Vexor was a tech 2 fit designed for short range damage alongside medium mobility.

The key to engaging a T3 is that you do not know what type of ship you are up against in advance. If you engage a Hyperion, you know in advance that it is one of two things - a short range extreme DPS blaster platform with a substantial local tank, or a long range sniper platform.

On the flip side, if you engage a Proteus, it could do a very wide variety of things. You won't know until it is usually too late to disengage.

If you want to see a strategic cruiser in action, ask Cannibal Kane (who posted above) to show you some of his killmails.

You need to factor in a value for the T1 frigate pilots' time. That is why many alliances that have drone assist doctrines would rather field Ishtars to Vexors, despite the former costing 15-20 times as much for only 167% of the damage output.

There's a big difference between a T3 flown and fitted by a competent pilot, backed by gang links and possibly logi, further more backed by intel and scouts to make sure nothing bad is about to happen and.... some single guy who's not too good at EVE and pvp and flying one truly solo.

The first one is awesome and amazing in the right situation, the second will be a rather painful loss really really quickly.

Fiiiiiiiiine.... rather than assume that is what I was saying I'll put a disclaimer that reads, "assuming both pilots have more or less equal skills and skillpoints..."

Unless the corporation is made up of newbies primarily, it would be cheaper for them to assign three people in tech 1 cruisers and one Interceptor to hunting the T3, and have the other 16 continue generating ISK through other means. For most corporations, member playtime is a more valuable resource than ISK.

Look at sovereign nullsec for examples of this. Big entities don't insert spies just for the monetary effect of stealing a supercapital or two because the ISK is of marginal importance. The reason they run operations like that is to demoralize their opponents into not logging in as much.

Looking through the zkill board, I've found, for example 4 tengus killed by solo T1 ships

The first was killed by a Vexor - I'd love to hear about how that happened!
The second was killed by a Tempest
The third was killed by a Tornado
The last was killed by a Stabber Fleet Issue

So it can be done, in theory. The flip side is that aside form these 4 kills, the recent pages of killboard is full of T1 ships that were murdered by solo Tengus.