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A spin off of the martial arts thread... Personal weapons.

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Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#81 - 2013-11-30 18:16:00 UTC
And when T + 1 disappears and T wakes up, T is still Jinari Otsito. Just not Jinari Otsito + 1. No one's saying you wake up as the person that died. All that's being said is that you just lose some time, no worse than someone experiencing a bit of amnesia, coma or other similar issues. All vastly preferable to permadeath.

Hell, it's a savegame vs continuing at the point where you lose.
It's actually surprising how much our lives relate to videogames.

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.

Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#82 - 2013-11-30 18:47:23 UTC
Jinari Otsito wrote:
And when T + 1 disappears and T wakes up, T is still Jinari Otsito. Just not Jinari Otsito + 1. No one's saying you wake up as the person that died. All that's being said is that you just lose some time, no worse than someone experiencing a bit of amnesia, coma or other similar issues. All vastly preferable to permadeath.

Hell, it's a savegame vs continuing at the point where you lose.
It's actually surprising how much our lives relate to videogames.



Well perhaps go suicide ouf of pod; this version of Jinari has been plenty tedious in a short amount of time.

Sabik now, Sabik forever

Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#83 - 2013-11-30 18:51:08 UTC
A mark of pride, coming from certain people. Besides, do you really want to have this conversation again?

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.

Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#84 - 2013-11-30 19:14:46 UTC
Jinari Otsito wrote:
And when T + 1 disappears and T wakes up, T is still Jinari Otsito. Just not Jinari Otsito + 1. No one's saying you wake up as the person that died. All that's being said is that you just lose some time, no worse than someone experiencing a bit of amnesia, coma or other similar issues. All vastly preferable to permadeath.

Hell, it's a savegame vs continuing at the point where you lose.
It's actually surprising how much our lives relate to videogames.


The main issue is probably lexical.

It is you as it is still the same identity with a similar memory and informorph pattern.

It is also not you as it is a different stream of consciousness, a stream belonging to someone else.
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#85 - 2013-11-30 19:49:21 UTC
Of course. Things get interesting though, when that someone else is a you. Frankly, it's more a problem of language and semantics than anything else, I find. Mostly hypothetical too, since I have no intention of dying outside the pod to begin with.

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#86 - 2013-11-30 20:01:43 UTC
Please remember that the softclone is only activated when the Prime you (if any of us can be said to have a Prime given our status as capsuleers) is already dead. It's not like you have to contest your softclone for control of your assets. That version of you is dead.

Given all that, the best alternative is to have some version of your ideals, beliefs and personality go on.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Synthetic Cultist
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#87 - 2013-12-01 11:14:40 UTC
The Logical response to This sort of Situation is Simple.

A Humanoid Remote Drone, operable via the Capsule Interface, for Personal Interaction whilst on Station or Planetary Surface.

That is, disconnect the Capsule from controlling the Ship, and connect it to Controlling a Humanoid Remote Drone.

Then you could Walk around Station in Person, and then Assassins or other Miscreants would only be Able to Damage your Remote Drone, rather than your Brain.

The Brain is the Most important Part of a Person, and also the most Interesting, It is the Largest erogenous Zone as well.

Creodron, Duvolle, and many Other manufacturers could Construct a Remote operated Humanoid Drone, for Capsuleers to interact with Other People with.

I, Myself, and also my Sister, routinely use Remote Human Biodrones in order to Interact with Human People. It is Safe and Efficient.

This also Relates to the use of Martial Arts - an Assassin or Miscreant would only be able to Damage the Drone, rather than your Person.

Lifelike Humanoid Remote Drones could Also be fitted with a Variety of Additional Functions, including Tools for Interacting with Computer Systems, miscellaneous Scientific Instrumentation, and also a Variety of Weaponry, should the Capsuleer wish to indulge in Personal Combat, regardless of the Station Laws.

Humanoid Remote Drone operation would Allow the capsuleer to also Interact with Human People in station areas that are normally Off Limits to Capsuleers, because of Security Concerns. The Drone would be Expendable, thus the Security Concerns are Nullified.

Synthia 1, Empress of Kaztropol.

It is Written.

Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#88 - 2013-12-02 05:20:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Xindi Kraid
Kaid Hayden wrote:

I don't personally carry a weapon, I guess I don't have any enemies to make it feel relevant, although I've been told that my seafood gumbo qualifies. Well, not that I usually carry that around either.

That's a somewhat rosy view of things perhaps.
The sad truth is there's a number of baseliners who automatically consider all capsuleers to be enemies just on principle and a number of them may be powerful or at least crazy enough to have a go at a capsuleer.

I don't have any enemies that I know of (I don't rule out the possibility of enemies that have not announced themselves to me be they economic rivals, rival research entities or people that I have been engaged in combat with), and while I try to remain discrete about my status - Aside from the data jacks, I have no other obvious augmentations and when I do bring bodyguards (very rarely) they are almost always plainclothes security who meld into the crowd - but I have still had a number of negative reactions on occasion.

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I generally have a knife on me at all times for utility, though it's usable in hand to hand in a pinch, so I can always be considered armed after a fashion. As far as firearms go, I have a three shot scrambler derringer concealed on me at all times.

If I am in a bad part of town or feeling paranoid I may bring a proper pistol or even an SMG (depending how paranoid I am feeling). While I am trained in the use of multiple types of firearms and do visit the range from time to time for fire many of the types, rifles and shotguns are a bit unwieldy for everyday carry.

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Edit: Caldari vs Gallente has been done to death in recent months.
As far as clones and whether or not they are you, that's a whole different discussion (maybe someone should start a thread for it), but if you really want to get into it, what makes a soft clone not you while a pod clone is? Either way the last you is dead. There's only a very small number of capsuleers in existence that still inhabit their original bodies.
Yu Tasogare
Doomheim
#89 - 2013-12-02 17:25:06 UTC
To try to stay on topic, I like to carry a scrambler pistol with me when I base line. If I must put myself in a dangerous situation, I have a laser rifle with me as well. of course should all else fail, I make sure to update my soft clone every week because there's no way I'm letting myself feel "permadeath" as others have said.
Sakuma Ogunuchi
#90 - 2013-12-02 23:44:39 UTC
I've been experimenting with a series of capsuleer specific nano-viruses.

For example, one is tailored to leave small bumps on the genitalia and cost almost as much as a full set of standard +4 implants to cure.

A second, which is still in the experimental phase, is targeted towards low-grade clones and causes a sense of euphoria in the victim while simultaneously inhibiting feelings of empathy or guilt. The test subjects often report feeling as though they were 'awakening for the first time' or 'being truly free.'
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#91 - 2013-12-02 23:53:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Fredfredbug4
Like I said in the last thread, I sport my family's Dueling Blaster. It's incredibly accurate for a pistol and when on it's lethal setting, sports a 100% mortality rate. I've only had to use it on a few occasions but I'd certainly be dead several times over if I did not have it.

I can safely say a serious adversary would be able to destroy me in hand to hand combat. However, it's a pity that I won't give them the chance to get that close.

Even in a combat envrioment, I prefer to sport my dueling pistol over more conventional military weapons. I've trained with it all my life and feel that those bulky assault rifles are overkill. Why trade in a family heirloom that I'll never miss with for some rapid fire nonsense?

War would be a lot more fun if everyone practiced Gauron Pistol Dueling. Just imagine the uniforms! Imagine the tactics! Hell, I think our leaders should settle their problems with duels rather than these destructive and unnecessary wars.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Lady Katherine Devonshire
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#92 - 2013-12-03 02:13:02 UTC
I carry no weapons. That's what bodyguards are for.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#93 - 2013-12-03 02:41:44 UTC
Lady Katherine Devonshire wrote:
I carry no weapons. That's what bodyguards are for.


That used to be one of my jobs, ma'am. Why should I let good skills go fallow?

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#94 - 2013-12-03 03:22:50 UTC
Xindi Kraid wrote:
what makes a soft clone not you while a pod clone is? Either way the last you is dead. There's only a very small number of capsuleers in existence that still inhabit their original bodies.


Please consult your training and investigate the point of the capsule with regards to transfer of consciousness compared to a 'backup' inactivated clone.

Back to topic though, of course.

Sabik now, Sabik forever

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#95 - 2013-12-03 05:44:36 UTC
I prefer handguns. Different ones.
I like rail handguns for range and accuracy. Pulse handguns for dealing enough punch to melt through protective gear.
Handguns are fast and maneuverable. You can fight with handguns, using them as knuckles. Solid casing protects your hand, if you need to deflect cold weapon, and they add mass to your fist for harder hits.
And, if you are trained enough, preparing a handgun from holster to ready for firing position, takes just a fraction of a second.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#96 - 2013-12-04 01:13:02 UTC
Our head security guy actually trains with swords. Like, those wicked looking Caldari ones with the slight curve to them? All part of his "Boo-shee-doo" thing he's into - also Caldari in origin, if I remember it right.

I swear he's not actually Caldari... he just thinks he is, ha ha.

Although I've heard it said that in the Empire itself swords are actually fairly common. Like it's this big tradition things with captains and they like to use them as a prop during prayers before battles and stuff. Not so much out here in the Mandate, of course. Much smaller fleet, less history, less need for tradition and all that. Still kind of neat how the tools of war from thousands of years ago have ridden on the coat-tails of the traditions that originated with them.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0

Arkady Vachon
The Gold Angels
Sixth Empire
#97 - 2013-12-04 07:13:24 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
I prefer handguns. Different ones.
I like rail handguns for range and accuracy. Pulse handguns for dealing enough punch to melt through protective gear.
Handguns are fast and maneuverable. You can fight with handguns, using them as knuckles. Solid casing protects your hand, if you need to deflect cold weapon, and they add mass to your fist for harder hits.
And, if you are trained enough, preparing a handgun from holster to ready for firing position, takes just a fraction of a second.



Its been a while since I was in the service, these days I tend to gravitate to a shoulder or pancake rig for less obvious carry. But yeah, don't skimp on quality or on reliability, ease of use, and speed of use for whatever works for you.

Every race has outstanding examples of different sidearms and longarms, and some not so outstanding examples. *laughs*

One of my personal favorites is the Grizzly 11mm semiautomatic slugthrower. Minmatar design. It's solid, reliable, and rugged to the point that you can bury it for a while, clear the mechanism and barrel, and still fire it. The big slug it fires will drop a man in his tracks with decent accuracy and range. Plus, the slug is less likely to be a problem inside structures and stations where things might have an unpleasant reaction to laser, plasma, or gauss pistol fire...that's experience there, you tend to pick up all sorts of unauthorized gear at times when you're a grunt, so i had the opportunity on a few occasions to use one in a fight while I was in the service.

It does have a hefty recoil, so that one wont work for everyone, and i dont advise using one in low, or zero gravity.

Nothing Personal - Just Business...

Chaos Creates Content

Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#98 - 2013-12-04 22:29:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Fredfredbug4
Arkady Vachon wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
I prefer handguns. Different ones.
I like rail handguns for range and accuracy. Pulse handguns for dealing enough punch to melt through protective gear.
Handguns are fast and maneuverable. You can fight with handguns, using them as knuckles. Solid casing protects your hand, if you need to deflect cold weapon, and they add mass to your fist for harder hits.
And, if you are trained enough, preparing a handgun from holster to ready for firing position, takes just a fraction of a second.



Its been a while since I was in the service, these days I tend to gravitate to a shoulder or pancake rig for less obvious carry. But yeah, don't skimp on quality or on reliability, ease of use, and speed of use for whatever works for you.

Every race has outstanding examples of different sidearms and longarms, and some not so outstanding examples. *laughs*

One of my personal favorites is the Grizzly 11mm semiautomatic slugthrower. Minmatar design. It's solid, reliable, and rugged to the point that you can bury it for a while, clear the mechanism and barrel, and still fire it. The big slug it fires will drop a man in his tracks with decent accuracy and range. Plus, the slug is less likely to be a problem inside structures and stations where things might have an unpleasant reaction to laser, plasma, or gauss pistol fire...that's experience there, you tend to pick up all sorts of unauthorized gear at times when you're a grunt, so i had the opportunity on a few occasions to use one in a fight while I was in the service.

It does have a hefty recoil, so that one wont work for everyone, and i dont advise using one in low, or zero gravity.


Some folk like to use Grizzly's in dueling, simply remove the clip and only reload by directly inserting the slug into the chamber and you have a legal dueling weapon. One great thing about the Grizzly is that you can select from a wide variety of ammunition in true Minmatar fashion, so for competition dueling there are plenty of nonlethal slugs out there.

My only personal problem with the Grizzly is that it's quite heavy, which is common for these rugged military weapons. Assuming you're taking a dueling stance, the average time it takes to draw, aim, and fire a Grizzly is 0.67 seconds. The average dueling pistols can be drawn in a mere 0.33 seconds. My personal record with my rather light family pistol is 0.14 seconds.

In a duel with a Grizzly, you're probably screwed, but if your opponent is slower or misses then that stopping power and accuracy will guarantee victory for sure. I wouldn't suggest trying to decrease the weight of the Grizzly either through removing parts or making one out of a light alloy, the recoil will break your wrist.

While we are getting down the the nitty gritty of all of these handguns, I'd like to take the opportunity to go into more detail about my family Dueling Blaster.

If family records dating back over a century or two are correct, this Dueling Blaster was handmade in a weapon shop on Gallente Prime. My great grandfather, upon aquiring the pistol, took it to the Crystal Boulevard and had the frame changed to a lightweight nano carbon, with an extremely thin layer of red crystal to decorate it with. Ornate patterns were carved by laser into the crystal and a flourecent gel that glows a lovely dark blue was injected into the pattern grooves. Another thin layer was placed on top.

The Pistol still retains it's old firing mechanisms, however the new lightweight nano-carbon reduced the mass of the pistol to under a kilogram, making it incredibly lightweight. The recoil of a blaster is almost non-existant, so being as light as possible is always a benefit.

It uses a traditional Blas-lock firing system. You insert a charge into the muzzle and use a laser rod stored underneath the barrel to lock it into the chamber properly. It operates very similar to ancient firearms that used powder and flint. As a result, the reloading time is slow, however being a dueling pistol, this is a trivial short coming.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Agiri Falken
Akagi Initiative
#99 - 2013-12-05 00:09:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Agiri Falken
Can't say I'd ever use it in a firefight myself, Fred, but I can appreciate a classic piece like that, and the nerve it takes to actually use it.

Edit: I was thinking... Creo Dron makes all sorts of micro to small scale drones, including combat models. I've seen a couple that strike my fancy, one a forearm sized hover job that can carry a submachine gun or a snub barrel shotgun, the other's a mean little fist sized bugger with just enough brains to dodge fire and chase somebody down with a grenade sized warhead... Anyone here ever make use of light combat drones in personal combat?
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#100 - 2013-12-05 01:49:50 UTC
Agiri Falken wrote:
Can't say I'd ever use it in a firefight myself, Fred, but I can appreciate a classic piece like that, and the nerve it takes to actually use it.


I've been training with dueling pistols since I was very young. I would not recommend anyone who hasn't trained specifically in pistol dueling to try using one in an actual combat scenario. If you have military training, a regular pistol will do you much better.

I'm usually not a direct combatant when I'm in a battlezone. I'm either covering something for The Scope, or coordinating with DUST Mercs. As a result, I can get away with my dueling pistol most of the time, I rarely have to fire it unless things go south. On one occasion, I had to fight my way out of an ambush with several colleagues and DUST mercenaries. I turned down using a conventional weapon mostly because of my preference for the dueling pistol. It performed rather admirably, I never missed a shot and every shot took down and adversary despite our foes wearing rather thick body armor (armor of any kind is forbidden in lethal and non lethal duels as a result most dueling pistols are not intended to have armor piercing capabilities). I didn't have the time to check if they were all lethal hits, but they probably were. Anti-matter doesn't do a body good.

I wouldn't say it takes nerve to actually use it in a firefight, at least anymore than other weapons. It's merely a weapon I've been fond of and have a personal connection with. Soldiers have an affinity to their assault rifles, assassins love their knives, hitmen adore their snipers, and duelist such as myself prefer their dueling pistols. I appreciate the kind words however, thank you.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!