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Questions on Lowsec Salvaging, PvPing, and so on.
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Nikki Kisomi
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-12-02 19:21:35 UTC
Hello everyone ! I've started eve not so long ago and after going through the tutorial and having my friend explain this and that, i've good a good grasp of the basics and some other stuff i feel.

So what tickled my fancy the most of PvPing and salvaging in lowsec, namely, dangerous areas. I've read about cloaking, learned to use the D-scanner properly and salvaged a few wrecks using it in hisec areas, seemed entertaining fishing those out and then finally getting to them. But once i went to lowsec, succesfully getting a few salvages i got a bit cocky and tried to salvage something with reds in my overview. Needless to say i was popped but not podded.
Second ship, even cheaper outfit, was going relatively good, found a mostly empty lowsec area and spotted a few wrecks with my D-Scan. Warped in, nothing suspicious, but once i start salvaging it i get popped by two cloaked reds, which i didnt expect at all. Why would they sit in the middle of nowhere near a wreck and just.. wait ? After that i'm a bit sceptical as to how things work in lowsec, so here i am.

Is everyone basically sitting with a cloak and waiting for someone to fly past, for hours ? (I know its a silly question.)

What fit would be good for a lowsec salvager, what should i aim for and what can i use as a newbie?

How should i start going on about PvPing ? Get a really cheap ship, fit it okay-ish and then test out the waters ? Join a PvP corp and hope for help there ?

Any tips and answers are very much welcome !
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-12-02 19:28:27 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Welcome to EVE.

As for your questions:

1. Yes. Some people do that. They throw the bait and just wait, just like real world fishing.

2. For pure salvaging...a cheap ass frigate with salvager(s), tractor beam, afterburner, cloak and probers.

3. First I will suggest looking into joining an Agony Unleashed BASIC class. They will teach you the basics of PvP pretty well. After that the best way to learn to PvP is like learning to ride a bike...by trying and by falling and getting back in the saddle.


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Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#3 - 2013-12-02 19:36:16 UTC
Generally, if you are care bearing in LS, you want there to be no-one in system. Overview shows only what is on grid and a few celestial warpable points. Flying cheap is the right thing to do, really cheap.

If people know you are in system, and know you are salvaging wrecks, yes they might be sitting at a wreck waiting for you to come along, they also might be scanning for you and warping to you directly. Then if they are really patient, and perhaps masochistic, there is even a way to use the dscan to catch someone at a safespot.

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Tyrendian Biohazard
The Bastards
Sedition.
#4 - 2013-12-02 19:46:05 UTC
PVP can be a terribly complicated thing to get into as you may feel that you don't make any progress when trying it out. As long as you prepare yourself mentally with "I could lose a lot of ships" and have an open mind to learn, you'll do fine. Some points that I tend to list:

- EVE PVP is kind of a big game of rock paper scissors. You don't have abilities to counter things like in most traditional MMOs, your ship is the counter in many aspects. It'll be great at taking out ship X, but terrible at fighting ship Y (depending on fits).

- Recap your fights, whether with people, or in your head. Win or lose, think about what happened to make the fight go right/wrong. If you fit your ship to kite, we're you able to keep your enemy at range. Did you not manage your cap well. Learn from the experiences. Even start a convo with the person you fought to find out what you could have done to improve your odds in the fights. A lot of pilots are willing to help new players learn.

- Fly what you're comfortable with and play to strengths. Sometimes changing ships too often can get you confused with how you're supposed to fight in that ship.

There are lots of PVP streamers out there that explain their fights during, or after they happen. I recommend:

twitch.tv/sirsqueebles
twitch.tv/lokoforloki
twitch.tv/fintarue

Once you learn the ins and outs, you can really do some amazing things in PVP, taking on incredible odds, or going toe to toe with ships you might otherwise avoid.

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Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-12-02 19:50:39 UTC
Iria Ahrens wrote:
Then if they are really patient, and perhaps masochistic, there is even a way to use the dscan to catch someone at a safespot.


Dscan will show you a ship at a safe spot, but you need combat probes to warp to it.

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Titan's Lament
Haedonism Bot
People for the Ethical Treatment of Rogue Drones
#6 - 2013-12-02 19:52:36 UTC
Not everyone is sitting around cloaked waiting for someone to kill, but some people might be. Without knowing more about the context I can't really say what their strategy might have been. When in lowsec, your number one source of Intel is local chat. If there is anybody in local who isn't blue, it is usually safe to assume that they will shoot you if they have the chance. Your number 2 source of Intel is dscan. You should be spamming the scan button constantly to keep an eye on whoever is nearby. It won't work if they are cloaked, but still is very helpful.

I would say that your best bet is to join a PvP corp. It can be a lot of fun running around solo in lowsec trying to figure these things out, but most people find that it is even more fun when somebody has your back. There are lots of good ones who do what you want to do and like new

As for a salvaging fit, I'm at work and can't really cook one up for you, but think cheap and fast. If salvaging is your source of income, you will want to be looking for player wrecks, not NPCs, and particularly T2 and T3 wrecks. You could probably do reasonably well in a busy place like Amemake in a T1 frigate with a prototype cloak if you have good bookmarks. Cloak up in likely places, wait for fights to happen, observe until you feel it's worth taking a chance, then decloak, warp in, grab loot or salvage, run away and cloak up again. You'd get killed for sure, but you would probably profit anyway.

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Haedonism Bot
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#7 - 2013-12-02 19:59:37 UTC
Cara Forelli wrote:
Iria Ahrens wrote:
Then if they are really patient, and perhaps masochistic, there is even a way to use the dscan to catch someone at a safespot.


Dscan will show you a ship at a safe spot, but you need combat probes to warp to it.


Iria is referring to a "midsafe" aligned between two celestials, not a true, unaligned safe spot. It is indeed possible to find somebody at a midsafe using dscan alone, but the process is painful for everybody involved.

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Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#8 - 2013-12-02 22:02:02 UTC
Haedonism Bot wrote:
Cara Forelli wrote:
Iria Ahrens wrote:
Then if they are really patient, and perhaps masochistic, there is even a way to use the dscan to catch someone at a safespot.


Dscan will show you a ship at a safe spot, but you need combat probes to warp to it.


Iria is referring to a "midsafe" aligned between two celestials, not a true, unaligned safe spot. It is indeed possible to find somebody at a midsafe using dscan alone, but the process is painful for everybody involved.


Well, it could be anywhere inside the celestial orbits, not just midsafes. If all celestials are on the same plane then you can only dscan a safespot on the same plane, but if you have a celestial high above and or below, then you can reach anywhere inside the angle from the furthest celestial and the highest/lowest one....

eventually.

A ss outside the orbit of the furthest celestial and/or off plane is not reachable by this method.

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Miriya Zakalwe
World Wide Welp
#9 - 2013-12-02 23:19:27 UTC
Iria Ahrens wrote:
[quote=Haedonism Bot][quote=Cara Forelli][quote=Iria Ahrens]
A ss outside the orbit of the furthest celestial and/or off plane is not reachable by this method.


This is why I felt brilliant making my safespots by taking local missions and bookmarking after the acceleration gate - until I learned this was common :)

Still won't save you from a probe though, right?
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-12-02 23:36:09 UTC
Miriya Zakalwe wrote:
Iria Ahrens wrote:
[quote=Haedonism Bot][quote=Cara Forelli][quote=Iria Ahrens]
A ss outside the orbit of the furthest celestial and/or off plane is not reachable by this method.


This is why I felt brilliant making my safespots by taking local missions and bookmarking after the acceleration gate - until I learned this was common :)

Still won't save you from a probe though, right?


If not cloaked you can be probed no matter where your safe is.

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Miriya Zakalwe
World Wide Welp
#11 - 2013-12-03 00:02:00 UTC
Makes sense, and also much less tedious for the hunter that way I imagine, if you have probes equipped anyway.