Player Features and Ideas Discussion

But nobody has made such a sweeping comparison.

I know you'll think, "But, but, but...!!!"

People have made such a comparison between AFK cloakers and AFK dockers.

You keep dropping the context when it suits you, but then run right back to it when it does suit you.

It is rather disingenuous, IMO.

I guess I need to leave this here.

For what it's worth, cloaking and being AFK are not the problem. Free intel is the problem.

You still don't take the point that there are many things in EVE that is free.

Oh noes, it's free, it have to be changed!1111oneoneeleven.

We see the problem dude. To claim otherwise is dishonest.

We just don't think that established players in null sec should get any kind of a buff to their play style. If you want to get rid of AFK cloaking, then fine. Its boring game play. But if you remove it alone and in the process nerf other valid types of non-AFK play that is just nonsense. You should not get a benefit at the expense of other players who aren't even causing your problems.

If a guy needs to sit in a WH for a couple hours and not do much of anything, he shouldn't have be bothered clicking a pop-up or some other nonsense so that you can have additional security while ratting in null.

And the issue of risk v. rewards is a valid topic in this discussion. If you are going to reduce the risk, then it is only fair to reduce the rewards too. So if you do find a way to get rid of just AFK cloaking and not impose a burden on any other players, then null sec incomes to individual pilots need to get nerfed too, IMO.

Do I want that? Not really as I earn income in null too. But from a game balance stand point of view it is a reasonable position.

Still doesn't matter on how much wall of rubbish you comes with, the main problem is the afk'er can hide behind a cloak and cause fear and push out risks on others with no efforts what so ever or not even be at the computer at all.

That's the problem and that the thing that is unfair and the thing that should be changed.

If you don't like it, then fine, but don't expect anyone else to like your idea that is stupid beyond anything when it comes to balance in this game. Remember, i have been playing this game for ALOT more years than you have done. And i know how this games works better and i know how to balance things much better than you do.

All you want is to have a game where you can enjoy YOUR time and gives a damn about how others might enjoy the game.

Let me also add this point to the above:

If I take what you have written at face value Andy, then what you are saying is, you simply want a nerf to cloaks.

Not AFK cloaks, but anyone who uses a cloak anywhere. Because the AFK distinction is one that does not really exist and hence it is just cloaks that need a nerf.

But a nerf to cloaks imposes costs on people who pose no threat to you. Guys who do exploration for example, or pilots that use transport ships.

Nerfing their game play so you can benefit is wrong.

I'll never support anything like that. Ever. Because I think that is worse than bad game play (e.g. AFK cloaking) because it is bad game design.

Awesome counterargument there.

No, it's awesome that peoples can see how much you want to destroy EVE.

Again, no one of you have even bothered to answer me on why an afk timer would affect active players in EVE when all other games out there that have an afk timer doesn't affect any of the active players?

If the afk timer doesn't affect any others than those who actually are afk, then what are the problem with the afk timer in EVE when it clearly doesn't affect any active players?

Answer me this and give me evidences on WHY an afk timer would affect us active players in EVE and give us evidences on why an afk timer in other games would hurt the active players. Now i don't want to hear you OPINION on this, i want hard facts that says so if you says so.

Before this is answered, then you can troll as much as you like and write down pages after pages with wall of texts. It doesn't matter as long as the evidences isn't told.

I have been playing alot of different MMO games that have an afk timer, and it have never been a problem for anyone.

So answer it or STFU.

No, just sitting in space afk while you are doing something else no where near your computer and on top of that cause fear and push out risks to others is called no efforts what so ever while getting benefits in EVE Online.

I'm not sure how you can get that to be effort while that's pretty much impossible.

How?