Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I don't even use cloaking for PvP purposes and I still think you've been drinking too much carebear urine.

You have a counter to defend you. It's called being alert. Why do you need the game to wrap you and your ship in soft cuddly bubble wrap to protect you from every possible danger? At what point should you be required to say "I'm in nullsec, I need to take some responsibility for whether or not I get caught and if someone else is in Local I need to be careful and alert"?

At what point does your ship loss become your failure instead of someone else being overpowered?

You think nerfing cloaks is fine as it lets you be careless in nullsec without any risk of losses.

Well, let me reiterate. My goal in this thread, contrary to the mind readers in this thread (looks over at Lucas and NightmareX), is to nerf AFK cloaking....not buff cov ops ships (broadly defined here to include any and all ships that can fit a covert ops cloaking device/cyno).

I realize that to do so with my preferred solution of decoupling intel and local is going to entail both nerfs and buffs. The changes will absolutely nerf cloaks. That is by design. And intel will take a bit of a hit too, or at least it wont be like it is now everywhere. That is by design. And intel will take a bit of a hit too, or at least it wont be like it is now everywhere. Covert ops ships are a bit better in that the leap frogging can still work in the sysstem I advocate, but not entirely. In the systems with an IFF beacon they'd show still in the intel system. All the details aren't set, but I think of it being like d-scan. You have to refresh to see the results and can only do so so many times, so spamming the button wont help.

As such, I'm not looking to buff cloaks all that much. I want to make them really cloaking devices. That is if I get into a hostile system and I am paying attention and flying my ship reasonably well I'm not going to be found. At the same time I'm not going to be able to have an impact while off at work....well I could, until I was scanned down and the ship blown up and pod killed back to wherever. And in those systems without the very best upgrades I might go completely un-noticed.

As for your changes to supers (titans and super carriers) not going to comment as I haven't given them much thought. I'm not sure if they need a nerf like that.

Same with your regular cyno restriction. Right now I don't like it. Using a cloaked ship to get into a system for fleet fights is not unheard of and I don't want to stop that...which is what your suggestion would do. One thing that annoys me is we form up for a big fleet fight and we wait...and wait...and then stand down. I don't want to nerf that anymore. Yeah, you could argue that this is a benefit for me...but there are also a few hundred other people in the various fleets that would be involved, so it isn't a benefit for just me, and it is one of the signature aspects of this game.

As for the killbox comment, I'm pointing out that after just 1 kill you have effectively shut down that system again without some way of hunting the cloaked ships.

So, we have to work our asses off and make tons of efforts to defend us for someone that might be afk cloaked and makes no efforts to make us do that?

Don't you see why we want an afk timer?

So, you basicly want to do no efforts what so ever to cause all of that?

You are on a pretty thin ice if you actually support that kind of afk gaming.

But when the active players have to work their asses off for someone that might be afk, don't you think that is wrong?

Add an afk timer and this wouldn't be an issue as peoples can wait a little and see if the players they think are cloaked does disapear. If they don't disapear after some tine, we knows they are active and we can work out a solution to defend us against them.

Right now, if this happens to you...you weren't alert--i.e. local would warn you a hostile is in system with you.

And if the hostile is already there...bring your friends early on. Or put a huge tank and cyno on that thing and when they engage you'll last longer and your friends will have time to counter drop.

And if the player who are cloaked in system is afk, should i still work my asses off for nothing?

The fact that you don't see this tactic as lame says all about your intention by hinding behind that tactic.

Why should you know it? Why are you entitled to know it - or anything at all?

The only way to know if you're active is by being active too. Someone who's AFK doesn't know anything about you.

Since the AFK cloaky can appear from complete invulnerability and invisibility as close as 2500m off any ship in space (outside a force field) and begin locking them up that same second, it seems only fair that those docked should be able to do the exact same thing. The comparison between AFK cloakers and AFK dockers has been made so many times, I say, why not let ships watch any point in their solar system and then undock to exactly that point in space instantly with no session timer so that they can start locking and lighting cynos instantly. Sounds fair right? We could even invent the undock probe wh generator to justify the concept in lore. (Too bad text doesn't show sarcasm very well. Maybe with this emoticon ) .. or people could accept that being docked in station is fundamentally different than being cloaky in space.