Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Haha, nice counterargument there. It's simple, if you don't want to be taken as afk, then be active and play the game. No, the EVE client should decide if you are afk or not. If you are playing the game, the EVE client will not set you to afk. If you are not playing the game or doing anything in EVE within 30 mins, it will mark you as afk. This is logical and how it should work. Every other games does this and so should EVE do.


But what risks do you have by sitting cloaked in space while being afk?

If you don't have risk, you can't expect anyone else to have risks against you as a character in system. If someone see you as a cloaker in system, it doesn't matter if YOU are active or not, the others in system will take you for active no matter what you are. That's why you are pushing risks to the others in local while you can just sit and watch a porn movie and masturbate to it and have no risks in EVE. It's that simple.

Nothing should be risk free in EVE. But as everyone knows, afk cloaking is risk free while you can gain benefits from others with no efforts and that's why you are doing it.


The problem is that you push out risks to others in local while you have zero risks. That's the whole problem. The problem as it is now is that you can push out risks and fear upon others while you can just sit there and do nothing / zero effort to cause that upon them. Just because it's how you play the game doesn't mean it's the right way to play the game. It's an unfair play of the game against others who are working their asses off to defend them self while you can just be afk and think 'hahaha that's soooo funny to see them work their asses off for nothing, YEAAAAHHH'.


No, you compare an automatic system against something you have to do manually.

The skill training system is automatic while the navigation of you ship is something that YOU have to do manually.

You are causing fear and are pushing out risks to others in local while you have no risks your self. If that's not getting benefits, then i don't know what kind of drugs you are on, but please tell me what that **** is.

It's simple, if you can cause fear and push out risks to others, you should gain the same to your self. If not, there is something wrong on how the game works.


See the answer over.


No, i compared a system in 2 games.

Oh noes, in Wow, you do damages to others. Waaah, EVE Online is Wow as you can do the same in EVE.

Everyone can AFK cloak too...so how is this a valid objection? And his point is a good one. My Alliance mates often do things when I'm AFK or not even logged in that provide me with a benefit. If the Euro guys go out and save a tower or POCO and so forth, then that helps me. It helps us keep our sov where I do my PvE. I maybe logged off, AFK or I might be doing something to help the Euro guys in US TZ.

This kind of thing is actually a feature of MMOs, not a bug.



What is automated and what is done manually? Setting up your skill queue and keeping it going is not automated so it is not entirely automated. Nor is PI, market trading, or even POS maintenance. All these things work while the player(s) is(are) offline, but they also take manual work.

So I can AFK cloak in a system and after the initial set up the game/client takes over...much like PI, market trading, moon mining, labs/research, manufacturing, and so forth.



I think you got it backwards. He doesn't like WoW...but apparently you do.

You said "any benefit whatsoever".

And the fact that you actually tried to use WOW as an example of why you idea is a good one should tell you you've made a mistake.


Lastly; taking bets on if this got implemented, how long would it take for nightmare to come crying about needing a way to probe down cloaked vessels because they aren't as AFK as he thought they were.

Again, you play stupid just to talk it away to something else. I'm not comparing WoW as a game to EVE. I'm comparing on how different automated systems works in different games. That's something else.

Stop with the ad hominem attacks, thank you.

Remember, we are talking about afk cloaking here. We are talking about that you transfer fears and pushes out risks to others while you are completely safe and can just do nothing or make no efforts to make fear and push risks upon others. That's the case here. If you want others to have risk, you have to make efforts to do that. If you want to push risks on others, you have to make efforts to do that.

What you are saying is that it's ok to make fear and push risks to others in local while you have to do no efforts or anything to be able to do that. Is that fine for you in an MMO game?


Do i have to give you the details with a teaspoon on why you gets benefits by afk cloaking?

Are you that handicapped that you can't see that for your self?

Any normal persons who are playing this game will see what i'm talking about. Anyone who doesn't see this are totally blind and doesn't want their i-win tactic to be gone.


So just because we want an AFK timer, EVE just become WoW just because WoW use that kind of system?

I mean, come on, don't be that dumb.

The afk flag achieve that if you are afk, everyone that search your ingame name up or anyone that see you in local should see you as afk.

What's bad with that?

But you point out any idea that is not your idea as a bad idea. That's trolling.

So your idea, since it heavily nerfs a lot of other types of gameplay is a bad idea.
Besides, they nerf loads of stuff that ends up nerfing other people. Pointing out a single occasion based around specifically targeting a class does not mean that all nerfs ever have only affected a single group.

That is YOUR OPINION. It's not the only way. It's moronic to ignore all other ideas. If you want only your ideas to be valid, go and make your own game. CCP will continue to listen to the community, not some egotistic prick that thinks he knows best.
And WH space has nearly no active players. A lot of good having no local did.

Still YOUR OPINION. Other ideas are also valid, easily as valid as yours.

In my opinions it's a dumb idea to nuke local and cause a LOT of other issues. You want to tip the entire balance in favour of you. That's your idea, and you can stick by it. I think it's a dumb idea, and I'll stick by that.

Can you actually prove that though? Just saying it's dumb because you say so is not good enough.

You are not a special snowflake, your opinion is not valid just because you say it is, explain why your idea is worth something without just accusing us of wanting to kill the game like some petulant child.

Another one for "the list".

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