EVE General Discussion

change the boosters...
why you fellas mad yo..

This change to boosters is silly, it's going from one extreme to the other. Perhaps there should be a more powerful version of synths with no penalties, perhaps the penalties should be reduced over all, but they shouldn't be removed...

What is it +30-40% for the best boosters? That's far too high to come with no set backs...

Drop it down a bit, and maybe add another set of skills that increases they're usefulness in addition to another set of skills that reduces penalties.

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This really. Zero drawback boosters without rebalancing them around that fact is ********.

Taking away penalties completley probably wasn't/isn't the best idea out there. They could've started by making the production of them a bit easier. Maybe a change of gas sites or perhaps just more variety within regions. So far the hardest part about boosters is the manufacturering.

I find boosters a lot more interesting with the chance for side-effects. If some chump decided to pop an Improved without proper skills they should have the chance for a serious side-effect not just instant +30% to a skill because it honestly is a huge benefit for no real risk.

If this is what they plan on doing completley its going to be a little mad house with the booster thing and PvP, some were even usuable for PvE purposes. Just removing bad effects from them entirely tho. Is just lazy by the CCP development team..

Just lazy...

Wouldn't it be a buff? Improvements to Exile & Blue Pill boosters will make active tanking more viable.


What I'm waiting for now is sale of boosters in high-sec (Shadily, with an extra price) or a fixing of lowsec so more market hubs for boosters are created.

Buffing them to the point where they're a prerequisite to pvp accomplishes that goal, yes, to the detriment of everyone else. We had that already in WoW and it didn't work. Grinding your ass off for buffs wasn't fun, never will be.


Why? And how wouldn't this create yet another barrier to new pvp players? CCP took learning skills out precisely because having so many mandatory timesinks is not fun gameplay. It's just a timesink, boring, useless.


Apples and oranges. Ships, turrets i.e. equipment isn't temporary. It lasts until it explodes. Ammo is comparable, yes. It's not as insanely powerful as boosters without side effects, though.


So yeah... if you take away the malus you have to nerf the bonus. Otherwise everyone, especially the .0 alliance folk, will whine their asses off within about a month or two after this is released.

Imo boosters without side effects just turns them into another hoop you have to jump through to pvp, same thing with leadership character being virtually required to pvp even in very small scale 1v1 fighting.

If you go THAT logic route and bring it to its logical extreme, you could end up arguing that ALL skills in the game are a boring, useless timesink and should be obliterated.
Sure, it might be fun for a while to be able to use any ship, weapon, module, item and just about anything else from character creation to its highest possible efficiency, but then THAT would become boring rather fast too (and devolve into a much more raw "who has more ISK" thing than it already is).

It becomes obvious that there's some arbitrary line you must draw in the sand and not cross when slashing allegedly "boring stuff" out.
Which means, for starters, that we need to at least determine which things belong on which side of that imaginary line.

The case of learning skills was far more complicated than that of boosters, complicated enough to put it rather clearly on the "boring enough to slash" side.
Learning skills didn't actually improve anything you could do in-game, they just increased the speed of SP accrual, and regardless of path chosen, in the long run, the best choice was to get them as high as you can stand waiting as soon as possible (with the last levels taking several YEARS to actually "pay off"), which meant that the indisputable MATHEMATICALLY better choice for almost any profession was to waste time early on buffing learnings at the expense of "fun".

For boosters however, or just about any ship / weapon / other module / rig / whatever (with rather few exceptions) several levels of a skill would either grant access to some new items or improve the functionality of already "unlocked" items, giving you a tangible benefit over not training that skill level.
It also makes different items be worth different amounts for different people, which is more of a good than a bad thing too.
All in all, linking effectiveness of boosters and severity/duration of side-effects from them with some skill levels makes sense.
My personal nitpick is with the randomness though. In my opinion, you should not have random effects, just fixed effects. But that's just a personal preference.