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Reasons why boosters side effects should remain in-game

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Postradamus
Asstronauts
#1 - 2011-11-20 17:57:08 UTC
1. With no drawbacks, boosters will soon become a required part of being in a good fleet. FCs will demand their use or face being put at an inevitable disadvantage. Do we really want to add another thing that has to be done before we can get out there and have fun? If everyone uses boosters, what is the point? I DON'T WANT A BUNCH OF EXTRA CLICKS BEFORE I CAN GO HAVE FUN.

2. Effort vs. reward. The way things are now, boosters can be great, but you gotta put the effort in. It's one of EvE's nice little quirky things; you can get an advantage, but you gotta know what you are doing, you gotta actually do some work. That's the way it should be!

3. Immersion. Why are these things illegal? Take the side effects away and they're just a buff item. Congratulations, you've made EvE just a little less real.




Don't any of you people remember the doctor buff lines in SWG? BLEH
Logit Probit
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2011-11-20 18:02:53 UTC
Postradamus wrote:
I DON'T WANT A BUNCH OF EXTRA CLICKS BEFORE I CAN GO HAVE FUN.


Hey CCP: I'll spell it out for you.



N O B O D Y A S K E D Y O U T O C H A N G E B O O S T E R S
Rellik B00n
Lethal Death Squad
#3 - 2011-11-20 18:08:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Rellik B00n
"REQUIRED PART?"

like t2 mods? rigs? t3 hulls? faction ammo? implants?

ive seen plenty of effective t1 mod fleets, non-rigged ships, t1 hulls, t1 ammo, no-implant pilots.

boosters even after side effects will not be mandatory they will be a choice like all the things i listed above.

Quafe zero was flucking great! Attributes boosted, no side-effects to worry about! Yes I want more of this and I suspect I speak for most of the server when i say: remove the illegality, remove the side effects, lets get these things used.

Theres a whol raft of skills, ingredients and industry - not to mention the programming time taken to make them work that rarely gets used, lets change that.

Its a good change (fyi I have all the booster skills at 4/5 and i still support this).

this is the part where all the people scared of a level playing field come out of the woodwork to keep boosters "for themselves"
[Of a request for change ask: Who Benefits?](https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=199765)
Caulk H0lster
Kazakh Ministry of Wealth Redistribution
#4 - 2011-11-20 18:08:47 UTC
u guys sound mad.

I like the changes, and more importantly, the change in prices which is currently making me very, very wealthy.
Gauss Markov
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2011-11-20 18:20:52 UTC
Rellik B00n wrote:

this is the part where all the people scared of a level playing field come out of the woodwork to keep boosters "for themselves"


Right now, boosters can make a really big impact on a fight, IF used properly. MEMORABLE impact, even.

I've used boosters a few times.

I'd like to keep it that way.

LEAVE THE SIDE EFFECTS FOR DRUGS IN
Propaganda Poster
Doomheim
#6 - 2011-11-20 18:35:41 UTC
Logit Probit wrote:



N O B O D Y A S K E D Y O U T O C H A N G E B O O S T E R S



Gauss Markov wrote:


LEAVE THE SIDE EFFECTS FOR DRUGS IN




"Awesome" change CCP Roll
Rellik B00n
Lethal Death Squad
#7 - 2011-11-20 18:44:57 UTC
yeah, as expected.

boosters as they currently stand are like rigs that only us lucky few can comsume.

we need to open them up to the general populace, if you want something exclusive buy some jeans P
[Of a request for change ask: Who Benefits?](https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=199765)
Hemmo Paskiainen
#8 - 2011-11-20 18:47:04 UTC
i can take drugs and dont get side effects ... why does has my eve char side effects?

If relativity equals time plus momentum, what equals relativity, if the momentum is minus to the time?

Propaganda Poster
Doomheim
#9 - 2011-11-20 18:52:17 UTC
Rellik B00n wrote:
yeah, as expected.

boosters as they currently stand are like rigs that only us lucky few can comsume.

we need to open them up to the general populace, if you want something exclusive buy some jeans P



YEAH it will be AWESOME when everyone always is using boosters

AWESOME

AWESOME CHANGE

AWESOME
Rellik B00n
Lethal Death Squad
#10 - 2011-11-20 19:04:03 UTC
Propaganda Poster wrote:
YEAH it will be AWESOME when everyone always is using boosters

AWESOME

AWESOME CHANGE

AWESOME


now, your butthurt rantings aside can you explain how it is that everyone is going to be using them?

what i mean here is where are all these extra supplies going to come from? As far as im aware there is major bottleneck to booster production in terms of the ingredients. In fact this is a great boost for the production areas for boosters which are exclusively outside high sec - again that sounds like a pretty good change to me and I live in high sec.

so provided you are rich boosters are still going to be pretty exclusive.

[Of a request for change ask: Who Benefits?](https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=199765)
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2011-11-20 21:14:49 UTC

stupid emo.
Mr LaForge
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#12 - 2011-11-20 21:18:37 UTC
You'd think in the future we could have our cake and eat it too.

Stuff Goes here

Doctor Ungabungas
Doomheim
#13 - 2011-11-20 21:20:48 UTC
help the religious right are following us into space
Gealbhan
Temeraria Praedonum
The Watchmen.
#14 - 2011-11-20 21:27:42 UTC
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
help the religious right are following us into space


Following? Hi, I'd like you to meet the Amarr.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#15 - 2011-11-20 21:28:37 UTC
Logit Probit wrote:
Hey CCP: I'll spell it out for you.

PEOPLE DID INDEED ASK YOU TO CHANGE BOOSTERS
Fixed.

More specifically, some felt that it was a niche part of the industry side of EVE and wanted to see both increased usage and increased opportunities to produce the stuff.
Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2011-11-20 21:34:23 UTC
Postradamus wrote:
1. With no drawbacks, boosters will soon become a required part of being in a good fleet. FCs will demand their use or face being put at an inevitable disadvantage. Do we really want to add another thing that has to be done before we can get out there and have fun? If everyone uses boosters, what is the point? I DON'T WANT A BUNCH OF EXTRA CLICKS BEFORE I CAN GO HAVE FUN.


Can people see if you've taken boosters? If not, I wouldn't worry. Until the raidle...fleet commanders develop an addon that checks everyone for their buf...boosters, anyway.
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#17 - 2011-11-20 21:46:28 UTC
Postradamus wrote:
1. With no drawbacks, boosters will soon become a required part of being in a good fleet. FCs will demand their use or face being put at an inevitable disadvantage. Do we really want to add another thing that has to be done before we can get out there and have fun? If everyone uses boosters, what is the point? I DON'T WANT A BUNCH OF EXTRA CLICKS BEFORE I CAN GO HAVE FUN.

Boosters were an underused slice of EVE's militaro-economic system due to their lousy overall price/performance ratio.
You're basically complaining that the price/performance ratio will get TOO GOOD to not always use ?
If yes, how's that radically different from, oh, say, buying some faction ammo instead of some regular ammo and making a few extra clicks when you join a fleet ?

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2. Effort vs. reward. The way things are now, boosters can be great, but you gotta put the effort in. It's one of EvE's nice little quirky things; you can get an advantage, but you gotta know what you are doing, you gotta actually do some work. That's the way it should be!

I might agree that SOME level of side-effects should still exist for NON-MAXIMALLY-SKILLED people. But you should be able to nullify most if not all side-effects with either maxed-out skills or nearly maxed skills and a handful of implants.

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3. Immersion. Why are these things illegal? Take the side effects away and they're just a buff item. Congratulations, you've made EvE just a little less real.

The legality or illegality of something is not necessarily linked only to existence of side-effects. See difference between legality of light recreational drugs and that of various alcohols, or tobacco, or coffee, or specific types of medicine, or... well, you get the idea.
Also, just because they might not carry side-effects for capsuleers doesn't mean they don't carry side-effects for "regular", non-demigod-like people without constant access to cloning technology.



All in all, I am somewhat in a "meh" stance about it. Boosters DID indeed need a buff in my opinion.
Whether or not flat out removing all side-effects is the right way to do it... that's questionable.
But arguing that drugs should NOT be buffed at all, that I can't possibly agree with.
Opertone
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#18 - 2011-11-20 22:09:18 UTC
Love it or leave it.

Boosters are cool, not common enough, yet cool. Make them cheaper. Leave side effects and potency.

This post sums up why the 'best' work with DCM inc.

WARP DRIVE makes eve boring

really - add warping align time 300% on gun aggression and eve becomes great again

Khamelea
The Southern Legion
#19 - 2011-11-20 22:32:53 UTC
Postradamus wrote:
1. With no drawbacks, boosters will soon become a required part of being in a good fleet. FCs will demand their use or face being put at an inevitable disadvantage. Do we really want to add another thing that has to be done before we can get out there and have fun? If everyone uses boosters, what is the point? I DON'T WANT A BUNCH OF EXTRA CLICKS BEFORE I CAN GO HAVE FUN.


So I assume from the above that every fleet you join expects you to fly a ship fitted with nothing less than meta 14 items and a head full of expensive implants?
Henry Haphorn
Killer Yankee
#20 - 2011-11-20 22:40:37 UTC
Mr LaForge wrote:
You'd think in the future we could have our cake and eat it too.


It's the other way around. It's suppose to be "...eat our cake then have it". If you already have the cake, then you can do whatever the hell you want with the cake. But if you already ate the cake, then you can't have it because it's already been consumed. It's a common mistake that I see a lot of people do with that famous quote. They butcher it so easily without realizing it.

PS: The Drake... I mean cake is a lie.

Adapt or Die

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