Ships & Modules

They are made to only be usable on things you can actually kill in 50 seconds. Otherwise, they are junk. Basically, they work for gangs and against frigates so in short, they are junk.

What is this like the tenth thread of people crying about the rlml? Its a burst weapon ment to be fitted on hit and run ships. So don't use them and pick a fight that needs to be a sustained fight. If you can't kill something quick don't engage. Its the same concept of getting into a close range brawl with artillery. Find a new use and a new way to fly with them.

In that case Caldari pilots should get one extra mid to their ships so they can fit TP-web combo or TP x2 and use HAM's. I'm perfectly ok with burst-only RLML if that happens.

A radical thought ....why not either ungroup or make more than 1 group if you are losing 33% of your missiles

Because you just took either 2/5s or 3/5s of you DPS off the table depending on which set is active, and it doesn't come back. So your only recourse is to blap and run.

I imagine the gankers will love these modules?

This is one of those real combat situation things that totally kills the "EFT" warrioring that goes on when weapons are in development. Yea, "burst" DPs looks good on paper, but in a game that has modules that keep you from warping off, 40 seconds of down times = death.

Rapid launchers are highly situational weapons ie useless in a rapidly evolving combat situation. Even in PVE they are only useful on non-bonused hulls (Armageddon, Rattlesnake, Gila) for when small ships come close, as opposed to regular launchers that are also good against those same small ships AND can be used when you really need.

Not in the world of buffer fits.

I reloaded twice before we warped out the first time. So I was basically sitting there and watching my two Warrior II's chase around frigates for 80 seconds. But when I was shooting at frigates that were coming into range, I know I saw missiles fly into oblivion because the target was dead by the time the missiles reached him, or he burned out of range. (55km) Which is quite possible to do at 40km by burning away.




@ Hrett. This change would not be bad if Light Missiles were instant damage. Or even twice as fast as they are now. But losing missile volleys hurts a lot when you only have 18 missiles per clip.

Against T1 frigates, you have to be really careful because you don't carry very much tank on a RLML Caracal. 2 LSE's. Maybe a DCU, maybe an invul. Usually run a web/point/mwd/2LSEs + 3bcs/nano. The whole point of using the RLML caracal was killing the fastest frigate burning at you while kiting the rest. Going 2k and kiting frigates doesn't work when you can only kill the first two frigates that are coming at you. You don't have the luxury of reloading, you'll be scrammed/webbed and the rest of the blob will catch up to you. Before, the old RLML could put out enough DPS that you could kite the main blob while killing off the fast tacklers. Now, if you run out of missiles before the fast tacklers are all dead, you need to warp off (and lose the FW plex) or die. Since you can't even change ammo types reliably, someone did the math is the old F&I thread, and the Caracal can only barely kill a normal MSE Crow. The Crow turns on OH'd MWD and he survives your 18 missile clip, and probably more damage because he can outrun missiles at that kind of speed.



I'm still going to keep flying these since it's really all I have the SP for so I'll keep this thread updated with future stuff.

I don't think you know how much the Caracal trades away in order to hit frigate sized targets.
There's a reason Talwar gangs were used and not Caracal gangs.

And do you see any other Destroyer being used? LML Talwars are the only Destroyers used in large fleets. Because everything Destroyers can do, Cruisers can do better. And it's across the board, not just on missile ships.





And you know nothing about kiting with Caracals if you think killing two frigates is OP.