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Kane Fenris
NWP
#641 - 2013-11-20 22:58:10 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Is there a reason we couldn't just select the hulls and color schemes on T2 ships?


dunno i sugested that both ships could be invented from both prints with just the hulls different (like ammo selectable)

but i dont think ccp likes it out of consistency and effort they'd to put in...
SOL Ranger
Imperial Armed Forces
#642 - 2013-11-20 23:09:17 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Is there a reason we couldn't just select the hulls and color schemes on T2 ships?


Picking a hull is asking too much and I'd not like the loss of consistency, even if it would be convenient its just wrong.

Picking a paint job would make me happy to say the least, picking the color scheme for a non-trivial cost as an added ISK sink would benefit EVE as a whole as well, I don't believe it would be a bad thing to allow this for all ships, just that the T2/faction paint jobs would cost more to apply.

The Vargur requires launcher hardpoints, following tempest tradition.
Shidiro Ironfist
Sovngard dovakin Corporation .Lld
#643 - 2013-11-25 03:38:30 UTC
Hull Drake already tired like a Huricane .Did not change them . Add for example the new engines or other modules? Or slightly change as was done with the Golem.
Jacob Mordecai
The Church of Awesome
#644 - 2013-11-27 21:32:09 UTC
Thanks for killing iconic sleipnir.
Hurricane hull was already most used hull and now u give us one more. Its not even different from hurricane fleet issue.
Cyclone is crap as missile boat and now it's hull is a history.
Nicely done!
Kenshi Hanshin
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#645 - 2013-11-27 23:14:31 UTC
Love it! Great work Fozzie and team! Finally the ships look like extensions of their T1 counterparts...now if only there was a T2 version of the old Tier-3 BCs (Oracle, Talos, Tornado and Naga)...
Yonis Kador
KADORCORP
#646 - 2013-11-29 09:30:18 UTC
I just googled like 10 search strings to find this thread after my first encounter with an image of the new b**tardized Absolution.

My heart is literally still stuck in my throat.

I have written many times before about my fondness and appreciation for the Prophecy hull and how I think it is one of the most-attractive hulls in the game. Though I have been playing EVE for almost 5 years, I've never owned a command ship. Not one. I get distracted, I biomass, I start a new project, things happen. But at least once a week, I look at them. Piloting a set has been my long-term goal for a very long time and I still load up the info boxes and admire them probably once a week to inspire and motivate my game. It's the goal I'm working toward now.

So when the t1 Prophecy was turned into a drone boat a few months ago I had actual heart palpitations. I don't fly Harbingers because the design is like a giant phallus with wings. I've always flown Prophecies over Harbs. I chose originally to be Amarrian because of the tech design and here one of the most beautiful, dynamic hulls in all of EVE, the eagle of the Amarr fleet, a ship designed to swoop down upon its prey, was now going to be a brick that sits and watches drones fly around. It's ridiculous. But all I hear is how great those Prophecy slowcat fleets are. Wonderful. I'm so thrilled for all you sentry drone lovers. But it was difficult for me to accept and as it still feels counterintuitive, I may never get over it.

The only consolation I have had throughout that entire b.s. ordeal is that there still existed a set of even more-useful, just-as-beautiful prophecy hulls in the command ships. I couldn't fly them yet, but there they were.

Imagine my shocking horrific suprise when I pulled up my little info boxes as I always do to admire my future prophecy hulls and instead discover a few minutes ago that my gorgeous Absolution has been destroyed too and is now an arthrogyposis-inflicted harbinger hull. Oh hell no.

I can't even type out words enough to express my overwhelming dissatisfaction and just wish I had been made aware of this change prior to its happening. You most certainly would have heard from me. I'm going to relocate myself to the F&I section of these forums permanently. I read dev blogs. All of them. But that's not enough. A player must also find time to read hundreds of pages of F&I too because apparently not doing so is dangerous.

Please don't take my damnation away too. Please? Even though it's a Khanid missile boat and everything Amarrian is about turrets and armor, it's literally all I've got left.

No prophecy-hulled laser boats still exist.

tldr?

"****!"

YK
Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
#647 - 2013-11-29 10:53:36 UTC
Thinking about it more, I think I can live with the Absolution. The Damnation looked better then the old Absolution anyway, so the Absolution getting uglier doesn't change much in the overall scheme of things.
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#648 - 2013-11-29 11:06:50 UTC
Yonis Kador wrote:
Stuff

Fortunately for you, the Damnation isn't going to be changed away from a Prophecy-based hull.

You may want to be aware, however, that unique T2 versions of all eight command ships (and for sure, all T2 ships that don't have them) are in the works. For more information, look at the Tempest/Vargur, Megathron/Kronos, Raven/Golem and Apocalypse/Paladin. T2 Reskins are out, T2 Remodels are the future.

So the Absolution may end up looking significantly better than the Harbinger and the Damnation will probably look like a next-generation Prophecy.
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#649 - 2013-11-29 11:16:23 UTC
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
Yonis Kador wrote:
Stuff

Fortunately for you, the Damnation isn't going to be changed away from a Prophecy-based hull.

You may want to be aware, however, that unique T2 versions of all eight command ships (and for sure, all T2 ships that don't have them) are in the works. For more information, look at the Tempest/Vargur, Megathron/Kronos, Raven/Golem and Apocalypse/Paladin. T2 Reskins are out, T2 Remodels are the future.

So the Absolution may end up looking significantly better than the Harbinger and the Damnation will probably look like a next-generation Prophecy.



Which would, depending on the outcome, perfectly fine for me. And if I look at the concept of the Condor that circulated around the forum for a short period of time, both hulls can only look great. On the other hand, if I look at the Paladin and the model changes to accommodate the Bastion animation and the bastion animation itself on the Paladin, the future looks bleak as well. In either way, I'm ready to bury any concept under loads of constructive criticism if I don't like them.

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ISD Alliance
#650 - 2013-11-29 20:03:02 UTC
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Yonis Kador
KADORCORP
#651 - 2013-11-29 21:16:19 UTC
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
Yonis Kador wrote:
Stuff

Fortunately for you, the Damnation isn't going to be changed away from a Prophecy-based hull.

You may want to be aware, however, that unique T2 versions of all eight command ships (and for sure, all T2 ships that don't have them) are in the works. For more information, look at the Tempest/Vargur, Megathron/Kronos, Raven/Golem and Apocalypse/Paladin. T2 Reskins are out, T2 Remodels are the future.

So the Absolution may end up looking significantly better than the Harbinger and the Damnation will probably look like a next-generation Prophecy.



I hope so.

I hope it doesn't resemble a Harbinger whatsoever.

Because as I have limited missile skills, I'm going to need one. The Absolution was a souped-up version of the Prophecy hull that got snatched away and as it always was a goal - it just became a more-important goal over the past few months. I'm not flying that Harb-variant, no matter how good it is. Asthetics matter more to me than many other things. So now I definately need a new goal. I still think the Damnation is beautiful and sure, I want one. But it's still not the same. When they took the Prophecy, it was my favorite-styled t1 ship and it sucked to lose it. But this time, they killed a 5-year-old dream. I've slept, and I feel better about it, but this still sucks worse. I didn't even get a chance to complain before the change and making a spectacle of yourself after the fact is lame. It's demoralizing. So I probably won't have anything else to add.

The only silver lining is that my interim goal until Dec. 7th is to earn isk for PFG so I'll have another week for this to sink in. I'm just not even going to think about it. I hate it that much.

But if there's any chance the paintball number being fired at Dolan rises too high to guarantee his safety, put me down for shooting the rest at Fozzie.

Ugh.

YK
Tinukeda'ya Naskingar
Minmatar Expeditions ltd.
#652 - 2013-11-30 09:18:24 UTC
Yonis Kador wrote:

I hope so.

I hope it doesn't resemble a Harbinger whatsoever.

Because as I have limited missile skills, I'm going to need one. The Absolution was a souped-up version of the Prophecy hull that got snatched away and as it always was a goal - it just became a more-important goal over the past few months. I'm not flying that Harb-variant, no matter how good it is. Asthetics matter more to me than many other things. So now I definately need a new goal. I still think the Damnation is beautiful and sure, I want one. But it's still not the same. When they took the Prophecy, it was my favorite-styled t1 ship and it sucked to lose it. But this time, they killed a 5-year-old dream. I've slept, and I feel better about it, but this still sucks worse. I didn't even get a chance to complain before the change and making a spectacle of yourself after the fact is lame. It's demoralizing. So I probably won't have anything else to add.

The only silver lining is that my interim goal until Dec. 7th is to earn isk for PFG so I'll have another week for this to sink in. I'm just not even going to think about it. I hate it that much.

But if there's any chance the paintball number being fired at Dolan rises too high to guarantee his safety, put me down for shooting the rest at Fozzie.

Ugh.

YK


Insert minmatar variations to your post and you'll have my feelings exactly. And trust me... complaining before the change would not help you anyway as CCP did not listen to complains because of all the overwhelming feedback they supposedly got earlier. I dunno. I was following the change from the beginning. I was against it from the beginning. and I was not alone. But it did not matter at all.

You should be happy. At least you were spared the frustration of being ignored by CCP in your complain and watching them change it anyway.... You got few more months of joy from the old models. I spent them in sorrow every time I sat in Sleipnir just awaiting the inevitable. :/

And yeah it sucks big time and I'm definitely not over it nor would I ever be I guess. Unless the new models are so awesome and hardly resemble the hurricane hull... Which I can't imagine happening...

And CCP remains to be silent on that topic...

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." -  Arthur C. Clarke
Ellumielle
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#653 - 2013-11-30 09:52:29 UTC
Tinukeda'ya Naskingar wrote:
Insert minmatar variations to your post and you'll have my feelings exactly. And trust me... complaining before the change would not help you anyway as CCP did not listen to complains because of all the overwhelming feedback they supposedly got earlier. I dunno. I was following the change from the beginning. I was against it from the beginning. and I was not alone. But it did not matter at all.

You should be happy. At least you were spared the frustration of being ignored by CCP in your complain and watching them change it anyway.... You got few more months of joy from the old models. I spent them in sorrow every time I sat in Sleipnir just awaiting the inevitable. :/

And yeah it sucks big time and I'm definitely not over it nor would I ever be I guess. Unless the new models are so awesome and hardly resemble the hurricane hull... Which I can't imagine happening...

And CCP remains to be silent on that topic...

The original thread that is being referred to which supposedly got overwhelming positive feedback had a misleading title which only proposed a change to the eos, which is why most people flying other command ships probably ignored it. I hate the new sleipnir but I've learned my lesson, read everything, complain as soon as possible if you don't like it.
Tinukeda'ya Naskingar
Minmatar Expeditions ltd.
#654 - 2013-11-30 10:12:51 UTC
Ellumielle wrote:

The original thread that is being referred to which supposedly got overwhelming positive feedback had a misleading title which only proposed a change to the eos, which is why most people flying other command ships probably ignored it. I hate the new sleipnir but I've learned my lesson, read everything, complain as soon as possible if you don't like it.



Exactly what I said earlier somewhere in this thread... :(

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." -  Arthur C. Clarke
Sharon Maris
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#655 - 2013-12-01 19:44:55 UTC
Yonis Kador wrote:
I just googled like 10 search strings to find this thread after my first encounter with an image of the new b**tardized Absolution.

My heart is literally still stuck in my throat.

I have written many times before about my fondness and appreciation for the Prophecy hull and how I think it is one of the most-attractive hulls in the game. Though I have been playing EVE for almost 5 years, I've never owned a command ship. Not one. I get distracted, I biomass, I start a new project, things happen. But at least once a week, I look at them. Piloting a set has been my long-term goal for a very long time and I still load up the info boxes and admire them probably once a week to inspire and motivate my game. It's the goal I'm working toward now.

So when the t1 Prophecy was turned into a drone boat a few months ago I had actual heart palpitations. I don't fly Harbingers because the design is like a giant phallus with wings. I've always flown Prophecies over Harbs. I chose originally to be Amarrian because of the tech design and here one of the most beautiful, dynamic hulls in all of EVE, the eagle of the Amarr fleet, a ship designed to swoop down upon its prey, was now going to be a brick that sits and watches drones fly around. It's ridiculous. But all I hear is how great those Prophecy slowcat fleets are. Wonderful. I'm so thrilled for all you sentry drone lovers. But it was difficult for me to accept and as it still feels counterintuitive, I may never get over it.

The only consolation I have had throughout that entire b.s. ordeal is that there still existed a set of even more-useful, just-as-beautiful prophecy hulls in the command ships. I couldn't fly them yet, but there they were.

Imagine my shocking horrific suprise when I pulled up my little info boxes as I always do to admire my future prophecy hulls and instead discover a few minutes ago that my gorgeous Absolution has been destroyed too and is now an arthrogyposis-inflicted harbinger hull. Oh hell no.

I can't even type out words enough to express my overwhelming dissatisfaction and just wish I had been made aware of this change prior to its happening. You most certainly would have heard from me. I'm going to relocate myself to the F&I section of these forums permanently. I read dev blogs. All of them. But that's not enough. A player must also find time to read hundreds of pages of F&I too because apparently not doing so is dangerous.

Please don't take my damnation away too. Please? Even though it's a Khanid missile boat and everything Amarrian is about turrets and armor, it's literally all I've got left.

No prophecy-hulled laser boats still exist.

tldr?

"****!"

YK


Well said, same story here, couldn't say it better... Cry