Player Features and Ideas Discussion

they are playing the wait and see game.

expect if there are any changes by 1.1 release

personally i am more disapointed about the SOA ships having terrible fittings and lackluster dps all in the name of cloaks.

Wasn't that obvious last week already...?

Are you Sarah Conor?

Nothing in the patch log about the target painter cycle changes, hope it's still on (posted here since it was weasled into the marauder changes).

because we dont really need ship bonuses right

>>> Those questions mostly come [...] *stuff* >>>
U really dont know what u are saying dont you?. Because otherwise u would know that every turret can damage stuff beyond optimal range and boosting both optimal and fallof increases effective range such ship can deal damage far beyond any missile ship. Having 8km optimal and 8km falloff more on turrets is allways better than just 8km optimal on missiles since in case of short range missiles like torpedoes your enemy can just set orbit at 1km beyond your missile optimal and u are dead. Doing same thing against turreted ship wont help u at all since he will catch u anyway (since being slightly beyond optimal still makes u deal for example 90% of your dps (and with increasing falloff, dps also increases on same distances). Thats why missiles are so easy avoidable (even long range ones since at some point u can just warp away before they will hit u).

>>> Vargur has high damage loss over distance. >>>
do u even know how projectiles work? also its better to have damage loss across 60km than no damage at all

>>> Paladin is stuck in EM >>>
Paladin have considerably better dps than other ships

>>> Kronos in thermal kinetik >>>
and its... bad? have u ever played Kronos?

>>> Golem sucks with torps but out ranges everything with damage changing cruise missiles >>>
Sniping with cruise missiles? really?
another hint for u: check how long cruise missiles will fly to target 200k away and then check how fast this target will warp away. No one is using cruises in pvp and even for pve at certain distance u will launch another wave of cruises while previous is still flying to target and its a matter of how much of them will be destroyed by defender missiles. After this sometimes u will loose dps since previous wave was enought, and sometimes u wont since next wave was needed. Not even talking about fact that Bastion Module isnt making your weapons invulnerable to defenders but makes turreted marauders invulnerable to tracking disruptors.

>>> I used a cruise/bastion golem in around 10 missions on sissi and the damage loss through defenders is negligible. You do the same dps to all npcs and over all distances. If this is not a big advantage. >>>
How did u managed that? watching missiles explosions in space?

Try doing 10 same missions in Golem and Kronos, Vargur or Paladin and check time then. If u have basic knowledge then every turreted marauder will be better, for example most small stuff is dead before they will get into orbit and start shooting u, with turrets u can instapop alot of npcs, try doing this with missiles.

>>> Because you can use all T2 damage types to increase damage to the lowest resist >>>
??? Are u serious?. Do u really think that people are flying with holes in their resists?. Shooting armor ships with for example Kinetic or Thermal is most of time far more viable since they got Explo hole plugged well. Also u failed to realize that switching damage types makes your ship not dps at all for 10 seconds, and even if u change damage type u still dont know if u choose right. If u really want that explosion damage on Kronos u can allways grab explo drones.

About the paladin animation... disappointing, I would have expected the top plates to fold out and make it look like it was anchoring, not just the bottom open a bit... i'm sad

if golem is so disappointing then why the hell are the prices for one so high? it is 1.4 billion at rens and 1.2 at jita. the other marauders are around 1b. i think golem will be the strongest marauder with bastion mode. it is the only marader that doesnt lose dps due to being stationary. people who are complaintin just dont know how to fly a missile boat

I'm not comparing performance of weapons. I just used them as an example of effective range. The point is, both in case of guns and of missile bastion gives 25% bonus to range. So if you keep talking about "double bonus" to guns then either you are trolling or you're just confused.

Edit: I can't care less about KB stats (should be 0 vs. 9 but my friend submitted those kills before I could protest). If you think that whatever position you hold there gives you more merit regarding simple math then... well... think again.

I do happen to press undock button from time to time.

To keep ourselves focused, I'm discussing only about your remarks regarding bastion range bonuses. Bastion adds 25% effective range to ALL weapons, whether you admit this fact or not. Missiles have increased speed, which means that despite longer range the flight time is not increased.

And regarding your comments about guns, I used all of them so I know a bit or two about both optimal and falloff, that's why I understand why bastion had to apply bonus to both attributes.


Honestly I have no idea what are you referring to but whatever. No matter how much I suck at PVP won't change a bit the fact how much you did not get simple calculations.

Shhhh! There are angry Vargur pilots around here, who're about to loose this ability at some degree in Rubicon.