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passey
Buttery Biscuit Squad
#1 - 2013-11-15 07:55:29 UTC
Just messing around on eft with a rubicon kronos fit looking at something like this what do u think


highs
1 bastion
4 x 425mm rails

mids
1 x cap recharger
1 x pwnage
1 x eccm mag
1 tracking comp

lows
1 x cap power relay
3 x mag field stabs
1 x eanm
1 x exp hardener
1 x lar

rigs
1 x ccc
1 x hybrid collision accel

deals 952 dps with 5 medium drones
tanks 952dps

cap stable with 1 gun off
Corben Medeu
Freelancer Union
Unaffiliated
#2 - 2013-11-15 09:20:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Corben Medeu
In my opinion you dont need the CCC rig or the cap module in the low slot . For level 4 missions your ship does not need to be cap stable . Gank = Tank
passey
Buttery Biscuit Squad
#3 - 2013-11-15 09:39:56 UTC
Ok swap the cap power relay for another mag stab.

what would you put in the rig slots them as its gonna have massive stacking penalties?
DTson Gauur
Underground-Operators
#4 - 2013-11-15 10:33:14 UTC
4x T2 425mm
1x Bastion

1x MJD
1x 100MN MWD (pick your favorite flavor)
2x Tracking Computer (again pick your favorite flavor)

1x Damage Control 2
2x EANM (again pick your favorite flavor)
3x Faction MFS
1x LAR (again pick your favorite flavor)

2x T2 Semiconductor rig

Yeah, it might be somewhat overtanked on certain resists, but it's an omni-tank, so you can go into any mission room and get full aggro without a bother.

Mind you, the rigs aren't as daft idea as you might think, I urge you to check it out :)

The above works even better with Paladin, the damn thing gets just so much base capacitor...
Corben Medeu
Freelancer Union
Unaffiliated
#5 - 2013-11-15 11:31:54 UTC
You might want to try a blaster fit after the expansion. With the range bonus in bastion and the natural high tracking of blasters you can shoot and hit up to some incredible ranges.If i remember correctly with null ammo and the propper fit you can hit up to 50km + for around 1100 dps (depending on mods and implants ) . If they do happen to be out of range you can just MJD into range .
passey
Buttery Biscuit Squad
#6 - 2013-11-15 11:54:23 UTC
I was just toying with a neutron blaster fit 1400dps at about 30km max
Corben Medeu
Freelancer Union
Unaffiliated
#7 - 2013-11-15 12:55:48 UTC
Shield tank it and put some tracking enhancers in lows.
passey
Buttery Biscuit Squad
#8 - 2013-11-15 13:55:44 UTC
Lmao but tht not a bad idea
Temuken Radzu
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-11-15 16:35:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Temuken Radzu
[Rubicon Kronos, El Destructo]
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Core B-Type Armor Kinetic Hardener
Core B-Type Armor Thermic Hardener
Core A-Type Large Armor Repairer
Expanded Cargohold II

Large Micro Jump Drive
Core X-Type 100MN Microwarpdrive
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 25
Federation Navy Tracking Computer, Optimal Range Script

Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L
Bastion Module I
Salvager II
Salvager II
Salvager II

Large Hybrid Burst Aerator II
Large Hybrid Metastasis Adjuster I

Navy cap booster 800
Hammerhead II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Salvage drone x5
2x Mobile tractor units

1595 dps with void ammo and drones
1185 dps with null ammo and drones
Have 2 mobile tractor units in your cargo to pull all wrecks close to you and salvage while you shredd anything apart with your blasters
The Cargo expander is to get more space for your loot and the tractor units
Tanks any lv 4 and if things get hairy you can always use the Microjumpdrive to get out of harms way.
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-11-15 17:44:03 UTC
I agree if you're not going to fit a MJD blasters would be the way to go. Rubicon needs to hurry up and get here!
Thaddeus Eggeras
Urkrathos Corp
#11 - 2013-11-15 18:10:06 UTC
With the bastion there is no need for prop mods, just sit back and rock everything, make your rails hit has hard as possbile, and have different ammo for different ranges, anything that get's within 10km have your drones handle. The best PvE ships are the ones you can just move to the gate and rain destruction down on everything, no matter the range.
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-11-15 19:17:05 UTC
Thaddeus Eggeras wrote:
With the bastion there is no need for prop mods, just sit back and rock everything, make your rails hit has hard as possbile, and have different ammo for different ranges, anything that get's within 10km have your drones handle. The best PvE ships are the ones you can just move to the gate and rain destruction down on everything, no matter the range.


Why would you want tank up close and still use railguns that have less DPS? With the new 50% bonus to falloff you should be able to hit everything with blasters.
Thaddeus Eggeras
Urkrathos Corp
#13 - 2013-11-15 19:40:52 UTC
You have drones and rails, better to use together. You can hit around 30km with blasters, most NPCs besides drones nad Angels will move away. So they are usually somewhere between 50km to 100km. you could put a MJD, but then you'd have to get in bastion, kill stuff, wait till bastion goes down, jump out bring bastion up kill stuff and so on. Just get good gunnery still and you will be able to kill everything just as fast with rails in bastion. But it's all up to you how you fly. I have a Kronos and a Golem, I think I'll use my Golem.
passey
Buttery Biscuit Squad
#14 - 2013-11-17 09:52:54 UTC
This is my setup as it stands now

Low
1 x lar
1 x exp hardener
1 x eanm
4 x mag stabs

mids
2 x tracking comps
1 x mjd
1 x cap rech

highs
4 x 425mm rails
1 x bastion

rigs
2 x ccc t2

drones
5 x hammerhead

tanks 1141dps
deals 976 dps

cant really get any more damage from it without using blasters but they have a max range of 60km which isnt really enough
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#15 - 2013-11-17 10:41:12 UTC
The trick with the kronos is to not sell your dominix, and use the dominix for anything blasters won't do well.

IMO rail kronos is terrible, because it has dominix dps, but without dominix drone damage type selectability or dominix drone tracking. I used my kronos for the half a dozen missions its was quicker at. The half a dozen missions it is quicker at will change because of bastion, but there will still be at least half a dozen of them.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#16 - 2013-11-17 18:09:02 UTC
with rails alone you are lucky to break 1k dps. you will be able to carry 2 wardens 2 gardes and a flight of lights, but that is just a pain in the ass.

this will be my general fit. depending on the mission probably fit a cap booster or MJD. also not 100% sure on the second rig, with the warp speed changes it seems to make sense. maybe a tracking or falloff rig would be better though. I don't know if I like the range of null in missions, haven't had a chance to play with it yet.
[Kronos, Blast it]
Large Armor Repairer II
Imperial Navy Energized Explosive Membrane
Damage Control II
Shadow Serpentis Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Shadow Serpentis Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Shadow Serpentis Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Shadow Serpentis Magnetic Field Stabilizer

Gist X-Type 100MN Microwarpdrive
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script

Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Small Tractor Beam II
Small Tractor Beam II
Salvager II

Large Hybrid Burst Aerator II
Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II

Garde II x2
Hobgoblin II x5

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
passey
Buttery Biscuit Squad
#17 - 2013-11-18 07:42:26 UTC
I might try this setup with different rigs though.

also fitting the falloff, iptimal range and large hybrid damage implants helps a bit
Tenga Halaris
Galactic Traders Union
#18 - 2013-11-18 14:05:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Tenga Halaris
I don't know, I'm not happy with the new Kronos / Bastion Mode. Vargur is fine, but for Serp and Guri I'd use a cheap Domi and still be around the damage the Kronos delivers with a Blaster fit.

Sure micro management with drones is a bit of a hassle, but when it comes to cost, a Domi / Drones are still the way to go.

I only use the Domi for Guri/ Serp and the Sisi Kronos doesn't really have a great ISK/ Reward ratio.




[Kronos, Guri]
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Core B-Type Large Armor Repairer
Federation Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane

Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II
Cap Recharger II
Federation Navy 100MN Microwarpdrive

Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Bastion Module I
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Large Hybrid Burst Aerator II

Hobgoblin II x5
Hammerhead II x5



That's how I flew, still not very convincing...
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#19 - 2013-11-18 18:23:37 UTC
I can see how some would want rails due to you can't move while in bastion mode. I've tried a rail a while Kronos and wasn't impressed at all. It wasn't horrible but it didn't seem any better than a T1 battleship. Granted this was not on the test server so I'll reserve judgement.
Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2013-11-19 03:50:31 UTC
Really no reason to use long range weapons on marauders. The projection from new ship bonuses and bastion mode give you more than enough range, even with close range ammo.
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