Live Events Discussion

Thank you for that. Although i don't agree with either of you, it's nice to see a well thought out rationale for why the high sec peeps should take heart.

I do not agree, on the other hand, with your opinion. I don't believe 'participation' as your base assumption was even met by CCP from the expectations of said high seccers.

I enjoyed reading Tyler's and Aynen's comments as well, although the current trend (seeing CCP's whitewash response recently) isn't encouraging at all.

All this assumes CCP isn't bare-faced lying...pleading innocence with goody two shoes expectations the "attackers" were going to win is too much to swallow. Even for me. Noone can claim that much ignorance except raw n00bs. So, put on your tinfoil hats and listen to your intuition when i pose the premise that CCP knew full well it was a welp fleet from the get go but bare-faced lied officially...the only conclusion is they don't want to admit they didn't put any effort into a losing proposition (since it was a welp anyways, why bother putting any effort into it)

"can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear"

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im just saying, if nul sec ppl want easy glorious highsec kills, they could probably do it easier and with greater reward by assembling a ton of destroyers/t3 battlecruisers and seizing the jita-amarr tradelane for a week, than waiting for ccp to hand them some cheap fitted hulls every ?? amount of time

burn jita and hulkageddon are far more event worthy than the ccp thing last week - more news worthy and glorious as well.

as plenty have said before, anyone can fly into a gate camp thats not especially amazing or special and conversely, anyone can shoot a ship stuck in a gate camp. That too isnt especially amazing or news worthy. Doing so in bulk under the guise of a CCP event is even less amazing or news worthy, more like "wtf" worthy. I do not forsee an upcoming "feed null 20 at a time to 1000 highseccers cmaping a gate" event.. i just dont, i wouldnt want too, it would suck, a gatecamp isnt an event plain and simple. Its an expected and well rehearsed daily occurance not much else

if u thought my post paranoid, ask yourself why ccp deleted the "defenders" rallying call from the news articles, if not to eliminate any evidence of their true expectations.

I'm good with the idea of the large events but they need to think it through a little better.

- Many staging points outside of the target area
- stealth insertion methods to get the fleets into system at random points
- some kind of overall well communicated objectives!

Different kinds of events would be better too, covering all career paths. I hi-sec built Titan dropping onto a target zone to act as an anchor (and null-sec fleet magnet :D ) would be truly impressive, especially if built through industrial/mining/manufacturing events run over time.

multiple fleets being dispersed into the target area would lead to many individual battles, with survivors forming up to take on the next fleet.

Think the Battle of Jutland in WWI, Dreadnaughts fought dreadnaoughts, destroyer fleets darted in to attempt torpedo runs, MTB's tried to torpedo anything that moved, cruisers got caught in BC fleets and still came out the other side...so much more could be done with this.

1700 form up, 1700 should make it into system and let the fight start there...would have produced so much more of a spectacle.

***Alaric Faelen :- The only players that lost, were those that didn't participate.
Doesn't matter whether people came out in kitchen sink high sec fleets, or shiny null sec doctrines. Just so long as they came out to play. CCP didn't create an ounce of content with their live event.....the players that undocked and came out to fight created the content. It's CCP that owes you a thanks.
For the new PvP'ers and care bears that showed up- GF's to you. Don't let the people too scared to lose fake spaceships pee in your Cheerios. You came out, fought and died. That's all any of us did. Hopefully you had fun. Hopefully you realize that being blown up in a game is still fun.
If just one care bear realizes that losing internet spaceships doesn't matter and moves out of high sec, then the live event succeeded.
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I agree with all of these points bar the last. Hi-sec to me is a 'safer' area of space where people carry out business/industrial activities. Those who choose to live there do so for various reasons (casual players, non-PvP players, people who prefer the business/industrial elements of te game, lone wolfs, etc) . For these players Null isn't an aption, but it seems that there is a general opinion that if you aren't in null you aren't playing the game 'properly'. For me a player choosing to live in hi-sec and build battleships is just as valid a gamestyle as Null-sec PvP mayhem.

To my mind events such as this should give the opportunity for people to do something they wouldn't normally do, whether it be hi-seccers jumping into null, or even (wash my mouth out) null-seccers coaching hi-seccers in PvP.

The only issues with this as far as I see it were TiDi, being fed into a gate camp mincing machine piecemeal, and no clear point in the lore of EVE. All of these issues can be addressed and/or mitigated, and if they are then future events of this nature could be spectacular.