Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Honestly, I have to admit I hadn't read it (I only read the first 10 or so pages) but after reading your reply I made sure to. And I have to say, I love this idea. It could completely level the Marauder to act as a mini-dread should with 2-3K dps, and if they want to keep that balanced they could very easily make that 100% bonus only applicable when in bastion mode. Then neither PvE nor PvP'ers need lose anything.

The ONLY possible clause that I can forsee shaking this idea would be that the need for PG and CPU could potentially skyrocket due to suddenly doubling your weapons.

The same way that giving the same types of perks to dreadnaughts doesn't. It's unable to recieve remote repair or other positive effects, forcing it to rely on its own local tank which can be quickly and mercilessly overpowered by focused aggression.

EDIT: And I'm sorry, but if I can solo any level 4 in a tengu with a SMALL shield booster, PvE is already broken.

Lvl 4's being broken is a known fact. Even if your smallbooster Tengu can run lvl 4's it's painfully slow compared to other ships, esp after HML nerf. being able to molest lvl 4's with 3k dps doesn't make it better. nor will this do very well for c4's etc if you can bring such overpowering dps with rather good tracking.

Okay, then reduce the tracking of the Marauder's Bastion Mode-boosted guns, like what the Siege Mode does to Dreads.

I see what you're trying to say, but all of your points can be easily remedied. And rather than prevent a ship from revealing its fullest PvP potential in an effort to maintain an already practically nonexistant balance in PvE (This coming from someone that's done PvE for years and is just recently getting into being dedicated to PvP), why not just scale PvE to match the new ships? They'll likely need to do something like that anyways eventually.

Marauder is the only ship that is really designed from the ground up for PvE, and yet there are countless other ships that get the job done just as well for a fraction of the cost. So why not just let the Marauder live up to it's fullest PvP potential? It's not likely to change the fact that you have more Tengu and Faction Battleship missioners than Marauder missioners.

Why would that be? The vargur deals no more damage than a maesltrom.

And the capability of moving of normal battleships result in effective SUPERIOR tracking to the bastion user.

The only PVP usage for mareauders will be killing ECM filled POSs in high sec.

Sure... Cause a Vargur tanking 6k dps even when neuted into oblivion, not even requiring cap boosters but just three NOS, is completely useless.

First page, first post, sixth paragraph (second bullet), second sentence. Designing something in a way of its big brother makes it "mini big-brother". CCP designs some ships in this way.

For example, from the design perspective I can show you 2 bigger brothers of a hurricane. With Rubicon, this number will become 3.

Bravo Debora! That has always been my question of why people keep calling them mini-dreads but not mini-rorquals.

I kindly ask you what will happen;

1- When you engage bastion mode and
2- When you engage siege mode

I have always wondered why they put some sort of rainbow patterns in IQ tests and ask for correct answer that matches the original pattern. They don't look the same but normal people keep finding correct answer... If you get what I mean.

See the post below yours, made me chuckle a little bit.

Generally when I got stuck in my limited English vocabulary, somebody who understands what the hell has happened jumps out from the crowd and explains things in a neat way. This proved to be correct with explaining the relationship of "raiding" and "speed" in one of the past pages.

Let me explain in another way;

If you look at eve wiki, siege module's explanation is nearly as same as bastion's. It is for sure that bastion module is inspired from siege module.

When you engage bastion, you get 100 percent same penalties with siege modules.
When you engage bastion, you won't get 100 percent same benefits as you get with siege modules.

Design team tried to find more fitting bonuses for BS class hulls. However, not being able to get RR, they are very pity against concentrated fire. CCP exactly wants this, they want Marauders die in a fleet combat when they're primaried. What they forgot is the price/performance ratio.

How much time it take for a dread in siege mode to die in a concencrated capital fire (except doomsday)? I know this is very relative to combat, but there is an idea. Let's say that other dreads giving the most damage to them, which are their price equavalent.

So the basic thinking is if let's say 10 non-siege dreads are shooting one siege dread, it is 10 isk shooting at 1 isk.
If 10 BS' shooting at 1 marauder, it is 10 isk shooting at ~10 isk. But CCP's flaw here is that they want Marauders to go down fast! Just for this price/effectiveness ratio, I find their idea as flawed.

The problem is, these marauders are not dreads exactly, but penaltized in the same way as them when engaged into their specialized role, while having much lesser EHP than dreads in order to withstand BS fire.