Player Features and Ideas Discussion

isnt volley counting the only thing keeping you from falling asleep while missioning with bastion ? oh and with bastion and no rigs you dont have to count to around 90km

Actually counting bastion cycles should prevent you from that. Unless you don't mind waiting idle for say half a minute in every pocket.

volley counting is never a problem but tp 10s cycle was . but with 5s tp cycle i dont find it so bad anymore . another reason why golem gonna be king .

3-5 shots when they DONT burn at high speeds you mean? Because their MWD is advantageous for player - it blows their sig by a factor of 5 while only doubling their speed (spider drones are an exception, as well as sleepers and incursion Sansha).

i used to think like that too but when they turn on its actually good for you. its only bad after they turn off the mwd while still at high speed decelration. overall its a bad thing mwd. cuz they never use it long enough only a few secs at a time.

I was being sacrastic, yes 1 TP is enough, no need for 4.



You still have level 5 missions if you want harder content.

7.5% per level just like the apocalypse

A request for launcher hardpoints on the Vargur.

These are ship statistics I put out only to visualize the following:
1) Minmatar uses missiles a lot, even on gunships.
2) Boundless Creation allows missiles on all their ships except the Vargur.
3) Almost all Minmatar ships follow the Brutor Tribe code of every inch for maximum firepower, except Vargur and Panther.
4) The Tempest class Battleships, from which the Vargur derives from support an optional hefty arsenal of launchers.
5) The tradition of using launchers as a secondary weapon system goes down to even the most insignificant ship, the Reaper, notably the Naglfar up to just recently had split weapon systems, fitting missiles as an option is inherently Minmatar.
6) Only a few Minmatar ship exceptions exist which do not allow the utilization of missiles, notably they are the Tornado and Maelstrom, both full rack artillery platforms without free slots for launchers anyway, then we have the Slasher which should have a launcher but doesn't, the Burst is a 'logi'; The remaining two are the T2 Battleships Vargur/Panther which both should have ample launcher hardpoints to follow tradition due to multiple 'available' high slots.


Note
This is not about ignoring the fact that the guns on the vargur have a 100% bonus and as such allow more free high slots, it is about design philosophy on these ships regardless of said bonus; If there are 4 available slots on the Vargur, Boundless Creation would put weapons into those slots, more so since the design of putting launcher hardpoints would follow the Tempest tradition not to mention Minmatar as a whole.

One notable detail for those who doubt this is the Sleipnir, it provides a 100% damage bonus on 5 turrets, with 2 launchers optional, it is made by Boundless Creation and offers essentially the same properties as the Vargur in every aspect of combat, it is merely smaller and doubles as a Command ship, just as the Vargur doubles as a salvage bunker.

Rarely do people fit launchers into the utility slots but the option exists through the initial design by Boundless Creation, the same would apply to the Vargur, with 4 launcher hardpoints you would firstly need to remove Bastion to utilize all 4, then you would need to ignore the tractor beam bonus and any drone links or salvagers, meaning you're compromising quite a lot of utility for those few optional launchers.

The added launcher hardpoints would be a welcome change to the current SiSi Vargur as it is the least benefited of the Marauders in terms of the total resulting changes.

Lets look at the details of the Marauder class, Boundless Creation and ship statistics.

Name: Vargur
Hull: Tempest Class
Role: Marauder

Geared toward versatility and prolonged deployment in hostile environments, Marauders represent the cutting edge in today's warship technology. While especially effective at support suppression and wreckage salvaging, they possess comparatively weak sensor strength and may find themselves at increased risk of sensor jamming. Nevertheless, these thick-skinned, hard-hitting monsters are the perfect ships to take on long trips behind enemy lines.

Developer: Boundless Creation

Boundless Creation's ships are based on the Brutor Tribe's philosophy of warfare: simply fit as much firepower onto your ship as possible. Defense systems and electronics arrays therefore take a back seat to sheer annihilative potential.


Some subcap statistics, these will all be presented in the following pattern:
Turrets/Launchers/Highs = *ability to fill high slots with weapon systems*

In relation to possibility of utilizing high slots for weapon systems:
Vargur 4/0/8 = 50% <- Boundless Creation
Panther 5/0/8 = 62.5%
Burst 2/0/3 = 75%
Scimitar 2/1/4 = 75%
Slasher 3/0/4 = 75%
(all others are at 100% or above)

In relation to creator:
Vargur 4/0/8 = 50%<- Boundless Creation
Sleipnir 5/2/7 = 100% <- Boundless Creation
Huginn 3/3/6 = 100% <- Boundless Creation
Muninn 5/1/6 = 100% <- Boundless Creation
Wolf 4/1/5 = 100% <- Boundless Creation
Hound 2/3/5 = 100% <- Boundless Creation
Claw 3/2/4 = 100% <- Boundless Creation


Minmatar ships
(bolded are ships without launchers)

Battleship
Vargur 4/0/8 = 50%<- Boundless Creation
Panther 5/0/8 = 62.5% <- Thukker mix
Tempest 6/4/8 = 100%
Tempest Fleet Issue 6/4/8 = 100%
Maelstrom 8/0/8 = 100%
Typhoon 6/6/7 = 100%
Typhoon Fleet Issue 6/6/8 = 100%

Battlecruiser
Tornado 8/0/8 = 100%
Hurricane 6/3/7 = 100%
Hurricane Fleet Issue 6/3/8 = 100%
Sleipnir 5/2/7 = 100% <- Boundless Creation
Cyclone 2/5/7 = 100%
Claymore 2/5/7 = 100%

Cruiser
Rupture 4/1/5 = 100%
Muninn 5/1/6 = 100% <- Boundless Creation
Broadsword 5/3/6 = 100%
Vagabond 5/1/6 = 100%
Stabber 4/2/6 = 100%
Stabber Fleet Issue 5/3/5 = 100%
Scythe 2/1/3 = 100%
Scythe Fleet Issue 4/4/5 = 100%
Bellicose 0/4/4 = 100%
Huginn 3/3/6 = 100% <- Boundless Creation
Rapier 3/1/4 = 100%
Scimitar 2/1/4 = 75%

Destroyer
Talwar 0/7/7 = 100%
Thrasher 7/1/8 = 100%
Sabre 7/2/8 = 100%

Frigate
Vigil 0/2/2 = 100%
Slasher 3/0/4 = 75%
Rifter 3/2/4 = 100%
Probe 2/2/3 = 100%
Burst 2/0/3 = 75%
Breacher 0/3/3 = 100%
Republic Fleet Firetail 2/1/3 = 100%
Stiletto 2/1/3 = 100%
Claw 3/2/4 = 100% <- Boundless Creation
Hyena 2/2/3 = 100%
Hound 2/3/5 = 100% <- Boundless Creation
Cheetah 2/1/3 = 100%
Wolf 4/1/5 = 100% <- Boundless Creation
Jaguar 3/1/4 = 100%
Reaper 2/2/2 = 100%


TL;DR
Vargur should allow the option of fitting missile launchers on all its potentially gun free high slots in Rubicon, that means 4 launcher hardpoints.

Has anyone stopped to do the math on how many effective turrets a Tempest/TFI has vs a Vargur?

I'm probably late to this, seeing as the release date for Rubicon has been set for a week away, but I really do agree with the players suggesting an overall damage bonus for bastion mode. For a lot of players, the new-and-improved Marauders will appear (as they should) as a mini-dreadnaught that you can use in highsec POS sieges, and in subcapital WH fights. I'm fully aware that a balance must be struck between creating its new PvP application while keeping its old PvE ability, but in some ways the mix of bonuses feel like they'd do more confusion than good to the ships as new-to-the-role pilots struggle to find a way to fully apply their Marauder to the battlefield in either PvP or PvE.

tl;dr: I am in total support of a damage buff to make the bastion'd marauders fully feel like mini-dreadnaughts.


EDIT: This is the part where I mutter from the corner of my mouth that as long as CCP is revampting TechII Battleships, they should let Black Ops use Covert Ops Cloaking Devices. Sure it'd be complete and utter bullshit levels of OP but it makes no common sense in terms of lore/intuition that such a ship class would be forced to use an inferior cloaking device as it's smaller cousins. And that's coming from a NON-rp'er.


thatandIreallywanttocloakwarpwitharedeemer.