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Career Progression - Aim is to be doing the fastest LVL4 Security Missions
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Sabriz Adoudel

Move along there is nothing here

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#21 - 2013-11-12 22:39:49 UTC

J'Poll wrote:

Dkeh Weis wrote:

I took the gunboat route for missions.

Rifter > Thrasher > Rupture > Hurricane > Maelstrom

That being said, L4 missions are boring as hell.
I rushed into a Battleship, and had crappy skills because of it.

I made more ISK running a single unrated PLEX in 20 minutes in a Battlecruiser than I did doing 50 missions in a Battleship. L4's are definitely NOT the best ISK/Hour.

In a lot of cases Level 3 missions are actually better in ISK/h then Level 4s. Because you can run them much faster.

L3s will get you extremely bored extremely fast once you outclass them. They are much worse than L4s in that regard.

I do recommend L3s until you can fit an all tech 2 tank, but once you can fit tech 2 resist modules tailored to the mission at hand, and can break battleship tanks, you will likely find L4s more rewarding from an ISK metric.

L3s serve one purpose of note, however. If you want to gain standings fast with a corporation (for instance to unlock jump clones or to reduce trading fees) then grinding L3s while ignoring loot and salvage in a ship with a MWD is the optimum way to achieve those goals.

Remember this: Run L3s for standings, L4s for bounties and security status, and L5s for loyalty points, and before considering running L5s in anything less than a carrier, know exactly what you will be up against.

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An7hrax Virus

The Scope

Gallente Federation

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#22 - 2013-11-13 00:05:28 UTC

Hu Tai wrote:

Just here to point out: amarr ships also use drones and they often have bonuses to energy weapons. And energy weapons means rapid adaptation to the changing range + zero ammo additional costs. Once you bought frequency crystals, you do not have to buy new and new ammo for missions. You do not have to stress about when to start fire so ammunition will not be wasted due to the range.

L1:
[Coercer, Coercer: Level 1 Blitz Mobile]
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II

Tracking Computer II
Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I

Dual Modulated Light Energy Beam I
Dual Modulated Light Energy Beam I
Dual Modulated Light Energy Beam I
Dual Modulated Light Energy Beam I
Dual Modulated Light Energy Beam I
Dual Modulated Light Energy Beam I
Dual Modulated Light Energy Beam I
Dual Modulated Light Energy Beam I

Small Energy Burst Aerator I
Small Energy Locus Coordinator I
Small Energy Locus Coordinator I

Read more: http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/64878-Coercer-Level-1-Blitz-Mobile.html#ixzz2kR8sdUxu

L2:
[Omen, L2 PVE Omen for New Pilots]
Medium 'Accommodation' Vestment Reconstructer I
Extruded Heat Sink I
Extruded Heat Sink I
Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I
Prototype Armor Kinetic Hardener I
Prototype Armor Thermic Hardener I

Eutectic Capacitor Charge Array
Experimental 10MN Afterburner I
Optical Tracking Computer I

Focused Modulated Medium Energy Beam I
Focused Modulated Medium Energy Beam I
Focused Modulated Medium Energy Beam I
Focused Modulated Medium Energy Beam I
Focused Modulated Medium Energy Beam I

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Read more: http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/64933-L2-PVE-Omen-for-New-Pilots.html#ixzz2kR9NI3qA

For L3 missions you can decide between drone boat (Prophecy) with strong passive tank or damage boat (Harbinger) with good DPS capability. L3 still have plenty of quick ships to deal with, so not much job for sentry drones anyway.

For L4 missions you have 2 drone boats (Armageddon or Armageddon Navy Issue) or 2 sniper boats (Apocalypse and Apocalypse navy issue). There is also Abaddon as tank ship for medium range combat, if you want to change usual pattern in sniping L4 missions:

[Abaddon, Abaddon Level 4 Mission Runner - Reactive Armor Hardened]
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Reactive Armor Hardener
Armor EM Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Imperial Navy Large Armor Repairer

Tracking Computer II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Mega Pulse Laser II
Mega Pulse Laser II
Mega Pulse Laser II
Mega Pulse Laser II
Mega Pulse Laser II
Mega Pulse Laser II
Mega Pulse Laser II
Mega Pulse Laser II

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Energy Discharge Elutriation II
Large Energy Discharge Elutriation II

Hammerhead II
Hobgoblin II

Read more: http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/61918-Abaddon-Level-4-Mission-Runner-Reactive-Armor-Hardened.html#ixzz2kRBIQWGW

Will look into this now :)

J'Poll

School of Applied Knowledge

Caldari State

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#23 - 2013-11-13 09:32:20 UTC

Sabriz Adoudel wrote:

J'Poll wrote:

Dkeh Weis wrote:

In a lot of cases Level 3 missions are actually better in ISK/h then Level 4s. Because you can run them much faster.

Yeah. Like the short list of possible L4 are thrilling.

Any form of PvE is boring, as they are scripted and follow the same principle over and over again.

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Hu Tai

Republic Military School

Minmatar Republic

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#24 - 2013-11-13 11:23:36 UTC

An7hrax Virus wrote:

Will look into this now :)

Some more stuff to look at:
Example of usual L3 mission runner:
[Harbinger, Harbinger: Low skill L3 mission runner]
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Optical Tracking Computer I

Heavy Modulated Energy Beam I
Heavy Modulated Energy Beam I
Heavy Modulated Energy Beam I
Heavy Modulated Energy Beam I
Heavy Modulated Energy Beam I
Heavy Modulated Energy Beam I
Salvager I

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Energy Locus Coordinator I
Medium Energy Locus Coordinator I

Read more: http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/68451-Harbinger-Low-skill-L3-mission-runner.html#ixzz2kWUpr6yd

More tanky, less DPS, more micromanagement required (due to drones):
[Prophecy, Prophecy: Low skill L3 mission runner]
Heat Sink II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II

Sensor Booster II
Cap Recharger II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II

Heavy Modulated Energy Beam I
Heavy Modulated Energy Beam I
Heavy Modulated Energy Beam I
Heavy Modulated Energy Beam I
Drone Link Augmentor I

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Energy Locus Coordinator I
Medium Energy Locus Coordinator I

Read more: http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/68453-Prophecy-Low-skill-L3-mission-runner.html#ixzz2kWV4XJiM

After you get large gun skills, you can play with this toy:
[Oracle, Oracle: L3/L4 mission - prepare for BS]
Tracking Enhancer II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Experimental 10MN Afterburner I

Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I
Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I
Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I
Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I
Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I
Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I
Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I
Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Energy Locus Coordinator I

Read more: http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/68454-Oracle-L3-L4-mission-prepare-for-BS.html#ixzz2kWVer6AS
It has no drones at all, is very fragile but can give you very different (sniper) game play. So - less boredrome ;)

After you get all necessary BS skills and 500 milions ISK, you can use same guns doing L4 missions in this:
[Armageddon Navy Issue, Armageddon Navy Issue 7 x Tachyon PVE L4 mission boat]
Reactor Control Unit II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Federation Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Federation Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Federation Navy Large Armor Repairer

Tracking Computer II
Large Micro Jump Drive
Omnidirectional Tracking Link I
Omnidirectional Tracking Link I

Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I
Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I
Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I
Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I
Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I
Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I
Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I
Drone Link Augmentor I

Large Processor Overclocking Unit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Energy Locus Coordinator I

Garde II
Bouncer II

Read more: http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/68279-Armageddon-Navy-Issue-7-x-Tachyon-PVE-L4-mission-boat.html#ixzz2kWWci2Nf

Or in this (more skill demanding sniper fit):
[Apocalypse, Apocalypse: 1.1 Sniping Apoc]
Reactor Control Unit II
Reactor Control Unit II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II

Sensor Booster II
Sensor Booster II
Sensor Booster II
Tracking Computer II

Tachyon Beam Laser II
Tachyon Beam Laser II
Tachyon Beam Laser II
Tachyon Beam Laser II
Tachyon Beam Laser II
Tachyon Beam Laser II
Tachyon Beam Laser II
Tachyon Beam Laser II

Large Energy Collision Accelerator I
Large Targeting System Subcontroller I
Large Targeting System Subcontroller I

Read more: http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/6840-Apocalypse-1-1-Sniping-Apoc.html#ixzz2kWXVN5FW

Thomas Builder

Center for Advanced Studies

Gallente Federation

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#25 - 2013-11-13 15:15:44 UTC

Hu Tai wrote:

After you get large gun skills, you can play with this toy:
[Oracle, Oracle: L3/L4 mission - prepare for BS]

This is a horrible, horrible idea.

The Oracle (and any tier 3 BC) have a paper-thin tank and with no drones, you can easily lose them to a single elite frigate.
They work well as snipers if you can warp in 100km away and kill things before they get close, but you cannot always control that in missions. If you land in the middle of the rats, you will lose your ship.

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