Live Events Discussion

I'm at work right now but just a quick update for those not following me or CCP on Twitter:








I've included my initial response and CCP Goliath's reply for complete transparency. I do appreciate the update as we have been waiting for updates for 4 days now and I thought it was key to communicate that it was appreciated.

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For those wanting to discuss Rubicon or upcoming changes please create your own thread and not take this down an off-topic route as I fear that this may give enough cause for a lock to applied to this thread along with rumour mongering as CCP likes to call it. Thank you for understanding.

Basically this from CCP Goliath: "It's under review just now, so whenever that gets cleared I guess."

That's the core problem. While Hi sec dwellers are still the majority of EVE, they are almost not organized at all. Even 150 man corporations are small, when compared to thousands of players in null alliances.

That's one of the reasons hi sec players rarely get represented well on the CSM. And while I agree that manufacturing or running missions in high sec is much less fun to play than PVPing in low and null, some people can't be there for every CTA or have to go AFK in the middle of a roam. Players have families and other RL duties that prevent them from being able to focus entirely on the game (and that undivided attention is required for PVP; don't tell me your FC allows you to "be right back" during a roam, or that you can go AFK in the middle of an engagement at any time; we all know the outcome if you did).

If high sec players want to stand up for their playstyle and defend it, they need to get organized. That means getting into big alliances, fighting back in game, but it also means getting their own representatives on the CSM and influence CCP. There is no other way to protect the "free trade" and "more less safe environment for manufacturing".

Now speaking of the last Live Event, if high sec players contacted each other BEFORE the event, they would likely bring a single doctrine fleet instead of a kitchen sink. During first dev-run incursions a body known as FCORD has been formed to let people organize better against live incursions. FCORD still exists, but almost no one remembers about it.

And if the play style some of us want to defend has at its core: not organizing and not join alliances?

RE: CSM Representation for Hi-Sec dwellers

The trouble with this is due in part to the fact of why those people are in Hi-Sec i the first place: Restriction of time whether it be work, family, voluntary or other it's easier to jump into EVE and out quickly if you are in Hi Sec doing PvE or whatever than if you are in an alliance\coalition that demands a certain activity level. If you miss so many CTA's I'm sure they'd kick you without letting you have your stuff back if in a standings based station\POS.

I know one person who couldn't afford her subscription for a month or so and when she did get back in she was broke and no assets as she had the above happen to her.

From what I understand of the CSM they spend most of their time meta gaming or sorting CSM stuff than actually playing during their term (I wonder if they get their account paid for) and that just sounds like a job to me. I have one of those that I get paid to do and I honestly don't grasp all the mechanics of this game and that's after 9.9 years!. I know what I know and I know how to do what I want efficiently enough or I learn in the process. One of the reasons I stepped down as the leader of a decent sized alliance sometime ago in another MMO was that it was just too time intensive and stressful. I spent more time sorting out the organisation and internal things that I did playing the game...not fun for me.

Now to deal with the alliance\coalition question. Some people are afraid of the scams that some of the corporations pull when they get in like inviting someone to join, letting them relocate the assets and or paying a fee and then kicking them out without so much as a reach-around. Or that they'd kill off their rookie members and the word would spread. Or, now this was just plain stupidity but, a guy that joined a corporation in a big alliance and then proceeded to hand over all his stuff to a "JF Pilot" who promised to courier it all to their Null Sec home...only he stole it all, every last bit.

These stories put a lot of people off of joining big corps in big alliances. I know that I would love to fly with RnK or Guillotine Therapy as I admire their approach, tactics (False Tower was fantastic), video editing techniques, camaraderie and Liam's narrative style is the most immersive I've yet heard however never get much time online I feel that I would be considered a "scrub nullsec wannabe" by not playing all the hours required or attending X amount of CTA's or on this op and to be fair I'd feel I let my team down if I couldn't give them my 100%.

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(I wonder if they get their account paid for) < This comment was not meant in a accusatory manner but more in the tone of if they do spend that much time in discussions etc and not actually gaming then why not? sorry but I felt it necessary to clarify that point as I re-read what I'd posted.

I imagine that no matter the opinion, that they held before this event, it would be VERY hard to imagine it would not in some way be balanced out by the events since.


They have heard a voice that is normally silent, felt a FURY that burns cold, not the rage that can be quenched,

The only way to still those voices or put out a cold fire is to remove the fuel.

I look forward to their response, and how they see THEIR future.

Yeah the RL obligations are always the big ship killer. No matter which way you cut it. We could not expect people in the game development world to see this because they live in a kind of bubble. This is not a snipe at game developers. It happens in a lot of careers and fields of expertise. Journalists for example fall out of touch when they only hang with other journalists.


If the goal is to eliminate highsec, I don't think this would be the big disaster that we would initially expect. They are not simply going to send Concord out for donuts and let the aspergians romp in a gleeful blood dance.

It would actually be a good thing to find a way to end this regional disparity in such manner that things improve for everybody, whereas only those entrenched in certain ways are bothered. The ISK-aholics if highsec won't be happy, and the bears of nullsec (there for the ISK as well) won't like all the non-blues traipsing around.

Overall a lot of paradigms would need to fall.

I just hope that there's still a noob starter zone or some protected nest for noobs. If it becomes a situation where people sit around all day just to kill noobs (bullies who fear getting hurt tend to retreat to MMOs where noob harvesting is common) that will kill the game. I've seen a lot of people, introduced to a game, find out that the moment the leave the dock/castle/noobzone/island there's scores of people sitting there all day ready to kill them, they don't even bother. Even if they like the game, who wants to put up with "people like that"?

Okay sir, put your hands up and step away from the italic and bold buttons...

Hal.