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Probably the WORST event I've wasted my time on in my 10 years of EVE ...

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Kyria Shirako
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1021 - 2013-11-12 03:39:40 UTC
Evei Shard wrote:
Maximus Aerelius wrote:

CCP either by ignorance or incompetence took or tried to take 2-3000 paying customers into a massive staging area of Null Block


This is where so many people fail miserably in their assessment of what happened.

CCP did not do these things out of ignorance or incompetence. The slaughter that this "event" resulted in was the objective all along. CCP did this out of pure malice towards high-sec.

Read the threads about it. Note the responses from the elitist null-sec players. That is why the devs are not responding, because those players are speaking well enough for CCP that they do not need to do so.


That... seems unlikely. Never assume malice where stupidity will explain things.

First, elitist null-sec players =/= CCP.

CCP is, well, a corporation. Corporations like money. Corporations who like money will not deliberately set out to alienate half their damn customers. So unless I see them state outright otherwise, I'm going to attribute the poor organization of the event to incompetence. Likewise, the slow response from CCP is more likely to be a result of bureaucratic deliberation and discussion than it is "Well, the people who slaughtered everyone speak for us."

I'm not saying you don't have a right to be pissed about how this was handled, but let's hold off on the persecution theories unless we know for sure.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#1022 - 2013-11-12 04:22:27 UTC
I don't think CCP does anything out of malice.

Except maybe when that Sansha fleet primaried my cyclone but I was being a stupid easy target and even they could see that.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Evei Shard
Shard Industries
#1023 - 2013-11-12 04:28:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Evei Shard
Kyria Shirako wrote:

This is where so many people fail miserably in their assessment of what happened.

CCP did not do these things out of ignorance or incompetence. The slaughter that this "event" resulted in was the objective all along. CCP did this out of pure malice towards high-sec.

Read the threads about it. Note the responses from the elitist null-sec players. That is why the devs are not responding, because those players are speaking well enough for CCP that they do not need to do so.

That... seems unlikely. Never assume malice where stupidity will explain things.

First, elitist null-sec players =/= CCP.

CCP is, well, a corporation. Corporations like money. Corporations who like money will not deliberately set out to alienate half their damn customers. So unless I see them state outright otherwise, I'm going to attribute the poor organization of the event to incompetence. Likewise, the slow response from CCP is more likely to be a result of bureaucratic deliberation and discussion than it is "Well, the people who slaughtered everyone speak for us."

I'm not saying you don't have a right to be pissed about how this was handled, but let's hold off on the persecution theories unless we know for sure.


First, to be clear. I'm not one of the ones who is pissed, I'm quite fine. I chose not to participate in the event because it was obvious from a mile off what was being planned from the moment they released the second announcement regarding where people who wanted to support the pirates should gather.

Second, I have always found it amusing that people assume stupidity where malice is an easy explanation, but then I've accepted that humans are primarily evil creatures who will always and forever have only the best interest of the self in mind when acting.

The history behind Eve, as I understand it, was that people got together because they were upset about how another game (U.O. I believe?) was changing from PvP oriented to PvE oriented, or something along those lines. Apparently things like easy kills and ganking were being curtailed and this made some players extremely irritable. Irritable enough that they started their own game where they could do PvP their way.

That same group still controls CCP and Eve. Sure, may not equal null-sec players, but they share the same mindset, and if they were scared of alienating their customer base, that would be evident in their actions elsewhere in the game, such as encouraging groups of players whose only desire in the game is to get others to quit.

Also, I don't think that CCP alienated "half" their customers. Even if there were 3000 players involved on the high-sec side of this event, they can easily tank 10% of them un-subbing. $4500/month in sub fees is a drop in the bucket. Just like a small time suicide gank, you plan your attack, fit it cheap and dirty, and accept that there might be a small loss.

Profit favors the prepared
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#1024 - 2013-11-12 04:37:10 UTC
Evei Shard wrote:
Kyria Shirako wrote:

This is where so many people fail miserably in their assessment of what happened.

CCP did not do these things out of ignorance or incompetence. The slaughter that this "event" resulted in was the objective all along. CCP did this out of pure malice towards high-sec.

Read the threads about it. Note the responses from the elitist null-sec players. That is why the devs are not responding, because those players are speaking well enough for CCP that they do not need to do so.

That... seems unlikely. Never assume malice where stupidity will explain things.

First, elitist null-sec players =/= CCP.

CCP is, well, a corporation. Corporations like money. Corporations who like money will not deliberately set out to alienate half their damn customers. So unless I see them state outright otherwise, I'm going to attribute the poor organization of the event to incompetence. Likewise, the slow response from CCP is more likely to be a result of bureaucratic deliberation and discussion than it is "Well, the people who slaughtered everyone speak for us."

I'm not saying you don't have a right to be pissed about how this was handled, but let's hold off on the persecution theories unless we know for sure.


First, to be clear. I'm not one of the ones who is pissed, I'm quite fine. I chose not to participate in the event because it was obvious from a mile off what was being planned from the moment they released the second announcement regarding where people who wanted to support the pirates should gather.

Second, I have always found it amusing that people assume stupidity where malice is an easy explanation, but then I've accepted that humans are primarily evil creatures who will always and forever have only the best interest of the self in mind when acting.

The history behind Eve, as I understand it, was that people got together because they were upset about how another game (U.O. I believe?) was changing from PvP oriented to PvE oriented, or something along those lines. Apparently things like easy kills and ganking were being curtailed and this made some players extremely irritable. Irritable enough that they started their own game where they could do PvP their way.

That same group still controls CCP and Eve. Sure, may not equal null-sec players, but they share the same mindset, and if they were scared of alienating their customer base, that would be evident in their actions elsewhere in the game, such as encouraging groups of players whose only desire in the game is to get others to quit.

Also, I don't think that CCP alienated "half" their customers. Even if there were 3000 players involved on the high-sec side of this event, they can easily tank 10% of them un-subbing. $4500/month in sub fees is a drop in the bucket. Just like a small time suicide gank, you plan your attack, fit it cheap and dirty, and accept that there might be a small loss.


Consider it as a test case.

CCP tracks all accounts associated with lost ships in this awox, and sees how many accounts actually drop.
Based on that sample, which is pretty large, CCP can decide if they want to push forward with the rest of the changes they have crafted with the help of the null sec cartels.

If a large percentage of accounts are indeed dropped, then they may have to re-think their plans on wiping out high sec.
If a small percentage of accounts are dropped, then they go full speed ahead with the plans to hand control of high sec to the cartels.
Kyria Shirako
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1025 - 2013-11-12 04:46:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Kyria Shirako
Evei Shard wrote:

First, to be clear. I'm not one of the ones who is pissed, I'm quite fine. I chose not to participate in the event because it was obvious from a mile off what was being planned from the moment they released the second announcement regarding where people who wanted to support the pirates should gather.

Second, I have always found it amusing that people assume stupidity where malice is an easy explanation, but then I've accepted that humans are primarily evil creatures who will always and forever have only the best interest of the self in mind when acting.

The history behind Eve, as I understand it, was that people got together because they were upset about how another game (U.O. I believe?) was changing from PvP oriented to PvE oriented, or something along those lines. Apparently things like easy kills and ganking were being curtailed and this made some players extremely irritable. Irritable enough that they started their own game where they could do PvP their way.

That same group still controls CCP and Eve. Sure, may not equal null-sec players, but they share the same mindset, and if they were scared of alienating their customer base, that would be evident in their actions elsewhere in the game, such as encouraging groups of players whose only desire in the game is to get others to quit.

Also, I don't think that CCP alienated "half" their customers. Even if there were 3000 players involved on the high-sec side of this event, they can easily tank 10% of them un-subbing. $4500/month in sub fees is a drop in the bucket. Just like a small time suicide gank, you plan your attack, fit it cheap and dirty, and accept that there might be a small loss.


Okay, half mighta been an over statement. I actually don't know the hi-sec vs. low/null sec population ratios, but we know that the players affected were something like 2000+ out of the 30-40K active at any given time, plus anyone else getting caught in the drama blast. Well, well short of half, I'll grant that. But not insignificant. But as for the rest... I remain unconvinced.

Eve is very much about player autonomy, and allowing players to pull off ganks, attacks, hilarious organized reversals, and other kinds of high-end bullshit. And again - If players had gotten 1,000 people out of hi-sec to follow them into a gate camp? That would have been awesome and hilarious, and those players would have had the sort of respect society reserves for clever con-runners and trickster figures.

That the developers themselves, theoretically neutral entities, would directly participate is unprecedented, and I'll still need to see more proof that they tried this deliberately.

And if they aren't afraid of alienating high-security players, if they actively don't want a hi-sec, for whatever reason, why the hell not just remove CONCORD from the game in the next expansion? Let it be totally FFA and cuthroat? There's gotta be people who'd see an appeal in that, no?

Additionally, do you have a citation for that history of the EVE developers? I'm sure it'd be a fascinating read.
Evei Shard
Shard Industries
#1026 - 2013-11-12 04:52:56 UTC
Kyria Shirako wrote:

Additionally, do you have a citation for that history of the EVE developers? I'm sure it'd be a fascinating read.


I will admit that it is merely hearsay based on what I've read over the years on the forum, however if I find an accurate source I will provide the citation.

Profit favors the prepared
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
#1027 - 2013-11-12 05:01:08 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:

Consider it as a test case.

CCP tracks all accounts associated with lost ships in this awox, and sees how many accounts actually drop.
Based on that sample, which is pretty large, CCP can decide if they want to push forward with the rest of the changes they have crafted with the help of the null sec cartels.

If a large percentage of accounts are indeed dropped, then they may have to re-think their plans on wiping out high sec.
If a small percentage of accounts are dropped, then they go full speed ahead with the plans to hand control of high sec to the cartels.


I find this highly unlikely. Rather see it this way: events like this show highsec people are willing to go lowsec/nullsec under the proper motivation by the hundreds, even thousands. This motivation is suprisingly NOT isk as Live Events don't involve isk-generation usually.
This is something missed alot in many of the Highsec VS Nullsec threats, that people woudln't go to nullsec because of lack of isk. Yes people lack the motivation to go to nullsec. However it looks like isk isn't the issue, or the fact you can get blown up (albeit it surely matters for some).
The motivation here is that people are willing to die for a greater cause. Not die to appease the local warlords. It's something used in real armies. You don't recruit people by saying *you get to kill others!* No, you recruit them by giving them a greater cause *Fight to defend your country and to safeguard your family!*

If the Nullsec Blocks and/or CCP can find this motivation and find a way to integrate it into nullsec properly, you'd have more people joining nullsec powers.

Providing a new home for refugees in the Aurora Arcology
Tyler Nietzsche
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1028 - 2013-11-12 07:55:49 UTC
Jandice Ymladris wrote:

The motivation here is that people are willing to die for a greater cause. Not die to appease the local warlords. It's something used in real armies. You don't recruit people by saying *you get to kill others!* No, you recruit them by giving them a greater cause *Fight to defend your country and to safeguard your family!*

If the Nullsec Blocks and/or CCP can find this motivation and find a way to integrate it into nullsec properly, you'd have more people joining nullsec powers.


You could argue that Hisec is just an area where you appease another warlord (the empire factions).

For me Hisec is the place where I'm left alone the most, to do what I want. And I go everywhere. Hi/Low/Null/WH. For different reasons.
Joining a sov null sec corp would be like taking on another day time job, with all the politics and misery associated with it. If Hisec would transform into that, Id rather work in RL, and earn some real money.
Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
#1029 - 2013-11-12 08:00:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Maximus Aerelius
Maximus Aerelius wrote:
Bookmarking this spot for this:

CCP Goliath via Twitter wrote:
‏@CCP_Goliath 11:46 PM - 6 Nov 13

Interested in this #tweetfleet? Empire navies put out call for capsuleer assistance. http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/empire-navies-put-out-call-for-capsuleer-assistance/ … #eveonline


In reply just now:

Maximus Aerelius via Twitter wrote:
‏@CEOMCMXD 01:51 AM - 12 Nov 13

@CCP_Goliath Customers put out call for @CCPGames to respond https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=293869 … #tweetfleet #eveonline #CCPd #CCPCustomerConcerns


And we have an update from Twitter (main official communications channel rather than posting this the threadnaught it seems).

CCP Goliath via Twitter wrote:
‏@CCP_Goliath 10m

@CEOMCMXD @CCPGames already said we are responding - said it on Friday

CCP Goliath ‏@CCP_Goliath 9m

@CEOMCMXD @CCPGames actually, responding is the wrong choice, the team is releasing a devblog on the event. This would have happened anyway


Now don't get me wrong as any reply right now is welcomed but the tone taken, or as I read it and I'm probably too close to read it without being biased, isn't one I appreciate or could just be CCP downplaying this.

We'll see how CCP responds in this Dev Blog.

Regarding the lost revenue from 2-3000 players:

Firstly compare these two images if you will where High Security Space is located and now where the Average Number of Pilots were in the last 30 minutes are located.

Now bear in mind that most people have more than one account or several so that 2-3000 (if all were enraged) is now 4-6000 or if three accounts 9-12,000 accounts etc..

And now you may have an understanding of just how big this could possibly be.

[b]Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station[/b] Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up!
MadMcMax Ornulf
Extraction Point
#1030 - 2013-11-12 09:29:09 UTC
I believe I speak for a large number of players here when I say
I am bemused by your curt response on Twitter!

Your tone gives the impression that you are annoyed or irritated
by our raising of a legitimate grievance.

You seem perturbed that we have dared to question your authority,
except that we did not.

We (perhaps blindly) followed you in to what turned out to be a
slaughter of the innocents and all we have asked is why?

Considering that a large number of us essentially pay your wages,
does this not entitle us to a small post in the thread to, at the very
least, acknowledge our greivances?

As this thread is showing no signs of abating , perhaps you could
stem it by stating when your Dev Blog on the matter will be published?
Killerjock
Von Neumann Industries
#1031 - 2013-11-12 09:31:33 UTC
Tyler Nietzsche wrote:
You could argue that Hisec is just an area where you appease another warlord (the empire factions).


An argumant that wouldn't hold water. Empire factions aren't actors - they do not tell you how to play unless you ask them to, and do not decide on your time. They are passive presences that sometimes take some of your money and mostly give you some.
That, incidentally, is also why it's ridicolous to claim we should blame the empire factions and not CCP.
(unless you have voluntary selective schizophrenia, that is)

Maximus:

--> https://twitter.com/CCP_Diagoras/status/159660258753658882/photo/1
A picture of the distribution of characters >5m SP, for the record. It's quite old, but I don't think the percentages changed much.

And here: http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility
A status trend. Population follows the usual sinusoidal curve around an average of about 31k players.
Just to provide some info.

But the point is not much how many players you **** off, as someone mentioned before it's more the "chance to recommend". What can I tell my friends? Come play eve and do only that, or don't bother? I already have a job. And THEY pay ME... not the other way around.

Also, a game like eve, where the economy is 100% player driven, depends highly on a certain "critical mass" of players - much more than any other game, where you need others mostly for "raids", in EVE if you don't have people to man the guns in all timezones you're vulnerable - that's why the nullsec blocs are very rarely single corps: alliances or even coalitions. If you don't have people who make things and refuel the POSes and are ready to jump in fleet at the sign of the enemy... you don't hold sov for long. And it's not just that - all economy is linked.
You need PVE to get salvage materials used for rig productions. One missioner can kill a 100+ ships in a night and bring back several hundreds of salvage materials - no way you can do that with pvp on a regular basis; loyalty points for faction ammo and faction ships... all parts of eve are tightly interlinked. Which is what makes EVE so much better than most games.
But also more fragile.
Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
#1032 - 2013-11-12 09:37:23 UTC
MadMcMax Ornulf wrote:
I believe I speak for a large number of players here when I say
I am bemused by your curt response on Twitter!

Your tone gives the impression that you are annoyed or irritated
by our raising of a legitimate grievance.

You seem perturbed that we have dared to question your authority,
except that we did not.

We (perhaps blindly) followed you in to what turned out to be a
slaughter of the innocents and all we have asked is why?

Considering that a large number of us essentially pay your wages,
does this not entitle us to a small post in the thread to, at the very
least, acknowledge our greivances?

As this thread is showing no signs of abating , perhaps you could
stem it by stating when your Dev Blog on the matter will be published?


So it's not just me that read that. I think CCP Goliath needed to "confirm" the company line in that this wasn't being "responded to" but was a BAU (Business As Usual) Dev Blog.

I sincerely hope it's not but I have asked for an ETA. You can feel free to follow me on Twitter, it's all public, if you want any updates or posts that I send. Unfollow once this is over if you wish, not in it for the Followers just to keep in touch with CCP etc.

[b]Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station[/b] Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up!
Kay Charante
Bastanolds
Rogue Caldari Union
#1033 - 2013-11-12 10:47:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Kay Charante
So I think I got this. Ccp did an event in turn it lead to null sec .
20 odd jumps were made in time di
Every one ended up dead befor they could get there so event ended so
Why o why are you all so up set. Because you did not get to do the event.
And that was cos no one made it.

Or was it the fact u had to do jumps in slow motion
What ever it was I think a bit of perspective is needed here
You don't like doing a load of jumps my god then why do you play eve ?
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#1034 - 2013-11-12 10:51:37 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Evei Shard wrote:
Kyria Shirako wrote:

This is where so many people fail miserably in their assessment of what happened.

CCP did not do these things out of ignorance or incompetence. The slaughter that this "event" resulted in was the objective all along. CCP did this out of pure malice towards high-sec.

Read the threads about it. Note the responses from the elitist null-sec players. That is why the devs are not responding, because those players are speaking well enough for CCP that they do not need to do so.

That... seems unlikely. Never assume malice where stupidity will explain things.

First, elitist null-sec players =/= CCP.

CCP is, well, a corporation. Corporations like money. Corporations who like money will not deliberately set out to alienate half their damn customers. So unless I see them state outright otherwise, I'm going to attribute the poor organization of the event to incompetence. Likewise, the slow response from CCP is more likely to be a result of bureaucratic deliberation and discussion than it is "Well, the people who slaughtered everyone speak for us."

I'm not saying you don't have a right to be pissed about how this was handled, but let's hold off on the persecution theories unless we know for sure.


First, to be clear. I'm not one of the ones who is pissed, I'm quite fine. I chose not to participate in the event because it was obvious from a mile off what was being planned from the moment they released the second announcement regarding where people who wanted to support the pirates should gather.

Second, I have always found it amusing that people assume stupidity where malice is an easy explanation, but then I've accepted that humans are primarily evil creatures who will always and forever have only the best interest of the self in mind when acting.

The history behind Eve, as I understand it, was that people got together because they were upset about how another game (U.O. I believe?) was changing from PvP oriented to PvE oriented, or something along those lines. Apparently things like easy kills and ganking were being curtailed and this made some players extremely irritable. Irritable enough that they started their own game where they could do PvP their way.

That same group still controls CCP and Eve. Sure, may not equal null-sec players, but they share the same mindset, and if they were scared of alienating their customer base, that would be evident in their actions elsewhere in the game, such as encouraging groups of players whose only desire in the game is to get others to quit.

Also, I don't think that CCP alienated "half" their customers. Even if there were 3000 players involved on the high-sec side of this event, they can easily tank 10% of them un-subbing. $4500/month in sub fees is a drop in the bucket. Just like a small time suicide gank, you plan your attack, fit it cheap and dirty, and accept that there might be a small loss.


Consider it as a test case.

CCP tracks all accounts associated with lost ships in this awox, and sees how many accounts actually drop.
Based on that sample, which is pretty large, CCP can decide if they want to push forward with the rest of the changes they have crafted with the help of the null sec cartels.

If a large percentage of accounts are indeed dropped, then they may have to re-think their plans on wiping out high sec.
If a small percentage of accounts are dropped, then they go full speed ahead with the plans to hand control of high sec to the cartels.

Well that would be stupid beyond all imagination.but when has that ever stopped anyone from suiciding a business.
This is not never was and never will be about people ragequitting because they lost a ship.
It is about whether customers decide that they will not tolerate either being played for fools or putting up with incompetennce or just being plain pissed off with the game generally and that was the last straw.

It will be a slow burn, no GTC bought this month or only 1 toon rather than 3
Accounts just do not get used for a month or 2 or perhaps ever again who knows?
Certainly recommendation becomes a recommendation to stay well away.
No way you can directly correlate cause and effect until there is only the goon-swarm left playing with themselves.and no cash coming in ,no parties , and CCP advertising in institution and prison monthly desperate to find some players who will pay for "hard core" pvp

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#1035 - 2013-11-12 11:00:45 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
MadMcMax Ornulf wrote:
I believe I speak for a large number of players here when I say
I am bemused by your curt response on Twitter!

Your tone gives the impression that you are annoyed or irritated
by our raising of a legitimate grievance.

You seem perturbed that we have dared to question your authority,
except that we did not.

We (perhaps blindly) followed you in to what turned out to be a
slaughter of the innocents and all we have asked is why?

Considering that a large number of us essentially pay your wages,
does this not entitle us to a small post in the thread to, at the very
least, acknowledge our greivances?

As this thread is showing no signs of abating , perhaps you could
stem it by stating when your Dev Blog on the matter will be published?


Unfortuneately twitter is so set up for short conversation snapshots, it is easy to come across as rude and insensitive when that is not the case.
Also consider it is very likely that the developers involved in this have had the holy crap ripped out of them by management and are not in the best of moods.

At least that would show someone cares.

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
El Jin'meiko
Warcrows
THE OLD SCHOOL
#1036 - 2013-11-12 11:07:49 UTC  |  Edited by: El Jin'meiko
Dullsec, even the Dullbears responses are aweful, how old is "moar tearz plz" now? do people still think its cool to ask if "umad", its funny that Dullbears say highsec are risk averse but when you look at the map most killing is done in highsec, with dullsec being a barren wasteland with the occasional fleet fight. I personally have been in 2 SOV alliances and I never intend to go back into one.

Rubicon will make things even worse, oh how the dullsec blobs will love to sit on the gate all day with their depots out and scouts in both directions, yeah sure will help that small gang pvp like CCP said it would lmfao, will be more like welcome to blobcamp online.
MadMcMax Ornulf
Extraction Point
#1037 - 2013-11-12 11:15:14 UTC
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
MadMcMax Ornulf wrote:
I believe I speak for a large number of players here when I say
I am bemused by your curt response on Twitter!

Your tone gives the impression that you are annoyed or irritated
by our raising of a legitimate grievance.

You seem perturbed that we have dared to question your authority,
except that we did not.

We (perhaps blindly) followed you in to what turned out to be a
slaughter of the innocents and all we have asked is why?

Considering that a large number of us essentially pay your wages,
does this not entitle us to a small post in the thread to, at the very
least, acknowledge our greivances?

As this thread is showing no signs of abating , perhaps you could
stem it by stating when your Dev Blog on the matter will be published?


Unfortuneately twitter is so set up for short conversation snapshots, it is easy to come across as rude and insensitive when that is not the case.
Also consider it is very likely that the developers involved in this have had the holy crap ripped out of them by management and are not in the best of moods.

At least that would show someone cares.


I accept that and I am not looking to assign blame, or ask for a dev's head. I just want to know
what the purpose of the live event was and then I will probably accept it. Unfortunately this stance
of CCP is demonstrating a worrying disregard for a large portion of their paying customer base.
Hence the original request(s) for a post in this forum, in this thread to address these concerns,
not another Twitter post which was one of the original issues.
Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
#1038 - 2013-11-12 11:17:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Maximus Aerelius
Kay Charante wrote:
So I think I got this. Ccp did an event in turn it lead to null sec .
20 odd jumps were made in time di
Every one ended up dead befor they could get there so event ended so
Why o why are you all so up set. Because you did not get to do the event.
And that was cos no one made it.

Or was it the fact u had to do jumps in slow motion
What ever it was I think a bit of perspective is needed here
You don't like doing a load of jumps my god then why do you play eve ?


Because you couldn't even be arsed reading 1 page back and are clearly trolling I'll re-post this as it'll keep it in mind for the next person to join a reasoned and genuine discussion on the events of 07-11:

Maximus Aerelius wrote:
-snipped for clarity-

...I would like to draw your attention to the IG complaints that have been raised time and again in this threadnaught:

CCP knew full well that TiDi would be in effect for those travelling to the waypoints and that they would have 23 jumps to go through and that the Null Blocs would either Titan Bridge in forces or that they were already in-situ.
CCP either by ignorance or incompetence took or tried to take 2-3000 paying customers into a massive staging area of Null Block
CCP then declared the event over after an hour knowing full well that participants were still in TiDi and travelling or getting torn apart by the Null Bloc.
CCP employees in the role of FC\Actor\Guide wilfully commanded scores of players to jump into Null.
CCP employees in the role of FC\Actor\Guide either jumped ahead of the fleet using devhacks or dropped fleet leaving the participants in disarray (This requires verification but I have heard it from several sources)

IRL issues\complaints\concerns:

CCP did not deliver on what was advertised to a large audience.
CCP did not estimate the numbers of attendees correctly. This was probable due to the headlines of "Unique" and "never to be repeated"
CCP did not organise any sort of reliable communications or clearly communicate to the participants where, when, how they should be.
CCP wilfully withheld key information that would've enabled participants to make other ways to get to the rendezvous points as we know that players are resourceful. It wasn't hard for Null Blocs to organise as they had 50mins notice. Withholding this information just served to add confusion to the unaware participants not yet exposed to fleets etc
CCP used Twitter to communicate of staging system change.
CCP has refused to acknowledge bar one comment from CCP Goliath that this thread exists
CCP has refused to update it's customer of what is occurring or if this is being discussed or analysed
CCP has refused to indicate if any update will be forthcoming
CCP has allowed this to get to the point where people are unsubscribing\not renewing\cancelling from the game due to the perceived level of incompetence, collusion with Null Sec Cartels, contempt that CCP hold towards the Hi-Sec player and the tinfoil hattery that even I am starting to wonder "well what if".
CCP are supposed to be a trusted entity in EVE Online. If you cannot trust those that develop the game and run it who can you trust.
CCP are supposed to be an impartial and independent body removed from the universe of New Eden and so removed from a conflict of interest.

CCP were not expected to:

Hand hold the participants
Ensure participants were in suitable ships
Ensure participants had blank clones
Ensure participants had an up-to-date clone
Tell people how to operate in a fleet

The above are my conclusions and mine alone and are my own opinions as well. Now if you compare the response time to paying customers legitimate concerns regarding this event to that of the Null Bloc with the Z9PP incident you can see why some of us are so very concerned. Z9PP was firstly apologised for within 30 minutes of the rage thread being posted and apologies continued a further 2 or more times and a full report published and thread closed within 2 hours. This also happened on a Thursday night and so did the "CTA Event".

Draw from that what you will but this is not about me losing anything IG as I didn't.

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epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#1039 - 2013-11-12 11:18:26 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
El Jin'meiko wrote:
Dullsec, even the Dullbears responses are aweful, how old is "moar tearz plz" now? do people still think its cool to ask if "umad", its funny that Dullbears say highsec are risk averse but when you look at the map most killing is done in highsec, with dullsec being a barren wasteland with the occasional fleet fight. I personally have been in 2 SOV alliances and I never intend to go back into one.

Rubicon will make thigs even worse, oh how the dullsec blobs will love to sit on the gate all day with their depots out and scouts in both directions, yeah sure will help that small gang pvp like CCP said it would lmfao

Actually they may be right on this one, a fleet of 10 stratios and 20 astero can travel like a wolf pack, unseen to a gatecamp.
Naturally not jumping In through the front door, it would take a special stupidity to do something so ridiculous, no one could ever be THAT stupid.
Maybe cyno in some bait amongst the COE ships. Use a wormhole or just come in from behind.
Have a matching fleet on the other side of the gate to catch those who are running away?
Many many ways without being a complete frackwit

100 hobgoblin II and 40 guarde II plus lasers for the light show will be a lot more PVP than the l33t skillz gatecampers asked for.
They never wanted More PvP CCP they wanted victims!
instead You gave us Little old ladies with Uzis.
Tearz!!?
The nasty carebear isn't playing FAIR!

Oh and after this cockup The devs might be a little hesitant to protect their special snowflake? Hmmmm?

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
Kay Charante
Bastanolds
Rogue Caldari Union
#1040 - 2013-11-12 11:36:26 UTC
Why would I want to read one more page back.
When I have all ready looked at 40 pages of crying
Thanks for reposting all that tho