Player Features and Ideas Discussion

"incredibly fast" you can call a ship which it is used to be, because of their herritage.. also only 35m/s faster than the dps monster vindicator and 23m/s faster than Typhoon FI and 31m/s faster than Tempest FI..
"devastating damage output" i have no word for this but over 1000dps battlecruisers and over 600dps dessies.. with not so bad tanking..
you know how autocannons work, so practical dps is not much like you said, imho..

The Paladin's optimal range bonus is a way stronger than average bonus so you get a weaker bonus to balance it. How many battleships other than the Marauders get an range bonus and a damage bonus? Right, just the Machariel, otherwise known as the most overpowered ship in the game. The Paladin bonus is also an optimal bonus, which means you get 100% of your DPS for the whole range, unlike the falloff bonuses of the other 3 ships that get range + damage bonuses. It's not a "worthless bonus" any more than any of the other base hull bonuses on any other T2 ship.

Is there really anything else left to do in this thread without further reply from Ytterbium?

We could discuss the Golem's uses as a RHML boat.

My experience using all 4 marauders on sisi for pve is as follows:

Paladin: Monster tachyon boat at 60-120km. Beyond that dps starts dropping hard due to low damage crystals. Pulses are also a viable option if going for lower level pve where incoming damage is negligible and neuts are rare (ie lvl4 missions).

Golem: Monster cruise missile boat, does as much dps at 249.9km as the paladin does at 60km. But it's also missiles, so yeah, damage tends to be mitigated a bit but overall it seems better against BC/BS npc's and structures. Top dog for high level pve. Torps should be useful in lvl4's as well using the MJD to get into range.

Kronos: Ok with railguns, I'd say slightly inferior to the Paladin but still pretty good. Range and dps are very similar, the real difference is simply optimal vs falloff. Hard to say how it will play out with a blaster fit in lvl4's. I don't think they quite have the range to work with a MJD.

Vargur: Of no value in high level pve. Even with arty, the range is just too short to out range neut towers and arty is ill suited to lvl4 missions. AC's can be used effectively with the MJD but work heavily in falloff. End result is a rather lackluster pve ship.

The only one I really tested in pvp was the vargur and although it draws the short straw in pve, it's a beast in small gang pvp. That tank combined with good tracking and average dps make for a real monster. An immobile monster with zero EW, but as a dps ship in a small gang with proper tackle, it's nasty. Same could probably be said for a torp golem though I didn't try it. I tried to make a decent Paladin PvP fit but was unimpressed by the results, never even bothered to undock it. I suspect the Kronos is similar. The whole active armor tanking thing just doesn't work very well in my experience.

Edit: I find the whole capacitor argument silly. Look at the overall ship, not individual bonuses. With the rep off, the paladin can fire tachyons with gleam all day without capping out using no cap increasing modules. But it can't run any sort of active tank like that or a prop mod. That makes it similar in overall cap state to the other 3 marauders.

Played since 2004, I very much remember when paladin had the cap bonus. I even remember when Blackbirds fit Torps and Thoraxes flew around with 8 heavy drones. (didn'¨t play when frigs fit CM's)

Removing the cap bonus would give it less cap/sec than it has on sisi now, as it would NOT be allowed to have that bonus buidlt into the hull ON TOP of the "bonus" it already has buildt in which balances out Tachs cap use and some extra. If you expect it to have 66% better than Kronos while shedding that bonus for a tracking bonus, Esp considering how powerful it is now, then you are a complete and utter moron.

But it's already proven by your comments that you're an idiot of a rather high magnitude.

So stop your insulting of people when you have absolutely no clue what balance is. you are dumb as F.

You know, the Golem + RHML + Mobile depot = Crazy Tank.

You only need to keep DPS modules fitted for 20-ish seconds, then refit to tank during the looooooooong reload....

Raven does more damage than any turret BS at >60km. Do people use Raven fleets in PvP? No, they don't.

You are the one doing the insulting. And If you cannot undersntand that the paladin lost some base cap exaclyl to keep that bonus.. then I cannot help you. But it is pretty obvious to anyone that want to try to understand, not just sit as a rock and close ears to anythign different from his own vision.

And what should be given in it's place ? that wouldn't be overpowered? if I may ask? Less cap use on guns with 4 turrets for even more ridiculous cap benefit to the Paladin?