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Stellar Redoubt
State War Academy
Caldari State
#961 - 2013-11-11 17:57:57 UTC
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Stellar Redoubt wrote:
hopefully CCP will be able to understand and respond effectively in time.

I know I'm the noob here, but seems to me you're answer is right here.

Pretty sure that's from the party they were having during the event and watching the stream of it. Just a thought :P


Holy crap.

If that's true,

They are going to miss all that.


Lol, was joking bro. Yeah that should be from the actual party, but it's a party that's what you do have fun. Most likely is saluting Mad Ani for his bday - which was yesterday and awesome - or some hot chick out of the shot we can't see, or the brave deaths of so many.. okay couldn't keep a straight face for that one, but yeah wait for them to actually respond with something more than "thanks for the feedback."
Enaya Radur
Sabotage Incorporated
#962 - 2013-11-11 18:05:42 UTC
End of EU working day and still nothing from CCP on this subject.

I was curious to see did CCP intended for this to be a rapefest or had an event go bad (or maybe even had some fantastic idea hisec crowd would have any chance).

They a) don't care b) have no idea how to get out of this one. lol, can't wait to see will they ignore this completely or man up and say what was the grand idea.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#963 - 2013-11-11 18:11:37 UTC
Bad fleet leadership, it happens. Nothing to get overly upset about in that.

Bad organization of a live event... well, usually they are pretty fun. Dropping the ball on this one is not a hanging offense... just something for them to work harder on.

Nothing in this situation is worth the rage and hysteria being generated, not even remotely. Mistakes happen.


Personally, the next event of this kind I would like to see something along the lines of the following:

High sec fleet forms up, informed in advance that they would be facing other players and ship loss is likely, destination unknown.

Players jumped from rally point directly to a "valuable" Null sec system, told to defend the gates at all cost.

High sec players told how long they would need to hold the system, and survivors will be jumped out at a specific time.

Null sec players informed (as if they won't know already) where the high sec defense fleet is.

Let nature takes its course.

For event's like this to be fully entertaining for both sides the less experienced side needs a superior defensive position to get started. After that, it's up to them.

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Octoven
Stellar Production
#964 - 2013-11-11 18:19:19 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Halaxi wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:

In terms of this event, I think its sad to see that CCP has still not reacted to it and I think that will result in lost accounts, its highly possible they are having a indepth debrief and checking logs, but then again they may not. The silence is rather worrying for those that were very upset by this, CCP has definately take their eye off the ball here.


The live events team and others are probably having a proper debrief, as you've said. If you are wanting a proper response, give them time to do so.

Also, consider this. Yes the TiDi was ****, and travelling many jumps through it was ****, and getting massacred at the end was, you guessed it, ****, just pause for a minute. You could have stopped travelling after the first couple of 10% TiDi jumps, you could have given up before you jumped into lowsec, and before you jumped into null, and you could have went and did something else.

I'm not excusing the fact that you were led through an experience that left you disatisfied, and could have been planned better (my earlier posts agree that you Empire folks had a poorer time of it), but just take the time to realise that you could have gotten off the failtrain and did something else. There is a bit of personal responsability that you have to take here.

Of course, it will be a minor miracle if the rabblerabble brigade realises this rather than sperging, but you never know.

Hal.


First of all I am not quitting Eve because of this, also I did not go, I expected a lagfest and that was my reason not to go, one of my corpmates did go however and gave me a detailed run down of what was going on.

I think you don't get it like so many other 0.0 focussed players, the hisec players knew they would lose their ships, no issue for them, but you say they should have gotten off the failtrain and it was their fault for doing that, well perhaps some of them wanted to complete and be part of this event and was not going to let TiDi stop them, just like 0.0 players continue to fight in heavy Tidi, hell they could log there too, but they don't. They wanted to complete and be part of that event and I have respect for those that tried to inspite of the mess that the event turned into, they had every right to expect better...


There isn't as much denying CCP's failure so much as there is asking everyone to take personal responsibility. I realize some people may have wanted to keep going, but if you are given a situation where you want to participate in an event, but you have to wait in line (long periods of time) to get a shot and never get a chance...well quite frankly you should take responsibility for the fact that you chose to remain regardless of the fact that it was going poorly.

Many have stated already they had TiDi for 23 jumps from Sarum to Ihal. Did these same people expect that TiDi to get better going from Ihal to RMOC? That should have been the first clue, and sorry mate I don't care how badly I want to do something, if I know I am wasting my time and won't have fun, I don't do it.

You want to blame CCP for poor management of the event fine, but have the bollocks to stand up and admit that you are also responsible for going along all the way thinking you would get somewhere when you knew you wouldn't. That is the bit that gets me, probably more so than CCP's mismanagement. You can't stand there and point fingers at devs for wasting your time when you chose to go along with it too. FFS, at least admit that you are partially to blame for your time being wasted as well.
Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#965 - 2013-11-11 18:42:21 UTC
Octoven wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Halaxi wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:

In terms of this event, I think its sad to see that CCP has still not reacted to it and I think that will result in lost accounts, its highly possible they are having a indepth debrief and checking logs, but then again they may not. The silence is rather worrying for those that were very upset by this, CCP has definately take their eye off the ball here.


The live events team and others are probably having a proper debrief, as you've said. If you are wanting a proper response, give them time to do so.

Also, consider this. Yes the TiDi was ****, and travelling many jumps through it was ****, and getting massacred at the end was, you guessed it, ****, just pause for a minute. You could have stopped travelling after the first couple of 10% TiDi jumps, you could have given up before you jumped into lowsec, and before you jumped into null, and you could have went and did something else.

I'm not excusing the fact that you were led through an experience that left you disatisfied, and could have been planned better (my earlier posts agree that you Empire folks had a poorer time of it), but just take the time to realise that you could have gotten off the failtrain and did something else. There is a bit of personal responsability that you have to take here.

Of course, it will be a minor miracle if the rabblerabble brigade realises this rather than sperging, but you never know.

Hal.


First of all I am not quitting Eve because of this, also I did not go, I expected a lagfest and that was my reason not to go, one of my corpmates did go however and gave me a detailed run down of what was going on.

I think you don't get it like so many other 0.0 focussed players, the hisec players knew they would lose their ships, no issue for them, but you say they should have gotten off the failtrain and it was their fault for doing that, well perhaps some of them wanted to complete and be part of this event and was not going to let TiDi stop them, just like 0.0 players continue to fight in heavy Tidi, hell they could log there too, but they don't. They wanted to complete and be part of that event and I have respect for those that tried to inspite of the mess that the event turned into, they had every right to expect better...


There isn't as much denying CCP's failure so much as there is asking everyone to take personal responsibility. I realize some people may have wanted to keep going, but if you are given a situation where you want to participate in an event, but you have to wait in line (long periods of time) to get a shot and never get a chance...well quite frankly you should take responsibility for the fact that you chose to remain regardless of the fact that it was going poorly.

Many have stated already they had TiDi for 23 jumps from Sarum to Ihal. Did these same people expect that TiDi to get better going from Ihal to RMOC? That should have been the first clue, and sorry mate I don't care how badly I want to do something, if I know I am wasting my time and won't have fun, I don't do it.

You want to blame CCP for poor management of the event fine, but have the bollocks to stand up and admit that you are also responsible for going along all the way thinking you would get somewhere when you knew you wouldn't. That is the bit that gets me, probably more so than CCP's mismanagement. You can't stand there and point fingers at devs for wasting your time when you chose to go along with it too. FFS, at least admit that you are partially to blame for your time being wasted as well.


CCP is lucky the players stuck it out hoping CCP could salvage it. Essentially, CCP got people together, saying they would go somewhere and do something, and they failed to get everyone somewhere to do anything.

I don't know why you'd blame the players if a campaign falls completely apart. CCP literally said they'd host a campaign in their own game and failed the very basics of Dungeonmastering 100. The players aren't angry about losing their ships or continuing. As soon as CCP failed, they just threw their hands up and left.

You can't blame people for saying that, if CCP can't even run this event, maybe they should just never run an event ever again. Nobody would ever come to an SR job I ran if I'd screwed up this badly.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26
Manssell
OmiHyperMultiNationalDrunksConglomerate
#966 - 2013-11-11 18:45:23 UTC
Octoven wrote:

There isn't as much denying CCP's failure so much as there is asking everyone to take personal responsibility. I realize some people may have wanted to keep going, but if you are given a situation where you want to participate in an event, but you have to wait in line (long periods of time) to get a shot and never get a chance...well quite frankly you should take responsibility for the fact that you chose to remain regardless of the fact that it was going poorly.

Many have stated already they had TiDi for 23 jumps from Sarum to Ihal. Did these same people expect that TiDi to get better going from Ihal to RMOC? That should have been the first clue, and sorry mate I don't care how badly I want to do something, if I know I am wasting my time and won't have fun, I don't do it.

You want to blame CCP for poor management of the event fine, but have the bollocks to stand up and admit that you are also responsible for going along all the way thinking you would get somewhere when you knew you wouldn't. That is the bit that gets me, probably more so than CCP's mismanagement. You can't stand there and point fingers at devs for wasting your time when you chose to go along with it too. FFS, at least admit that you are partially to blame for your time being wasted as well.



Why do I keep seeing this bullplop?! Since when do we expect "personal responsibility" form line members in a fleet???? If thy joined a fleet and the FC told them to go 23 jumps then damn it… they better go 23 jumps. If they join a fleet and the FC tells them to jump into a camp… you better jump into the camp. Following FC orders is EXACTLY what we want CCP to be teaching new players to do. I have never been in a fleet where the FC welps us and then says it's "your responsibility for following my orders". Are you really suggesting that line members now start to question their FC orders and only follow them when they feel like it. Yea, that's great way to train noobs how to live outside of hi-sec.

The failure here was entirely on CCP side in they way the FC'ing was handled, not the players who followed those FC orders. Sure you can say perhaps you shouldn't join a CCP FC'd fleet, but once they are in the failure rest with the FC.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#967 - 2013-11-11 18:49:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Octoven wrote:
There isn't as much denying CCP's failure so much as there is asking everyone to take personal responsibility. I realize some people may have wanted to keep going, but if you are given a situation where you want to participate in an event, but you have to wait in line (long periods of time) to get a shot and never get a chance...well quite frankly you should take responsibility for the fact that you chose to remain regardless of the fact that it was going poorly.

Many have stated already they had TiDi for 23 jumps from Sarum to Ihal. Did these same people expect that TiDi to get better going from Ihal to RMOC? That should have been the first clue, and sorry mate I don't care how badly I want to do something, if I know I am wasting my time and won't have fun, I don't do it.

You want to blame CCP for poor management of the event fine, but have the bollocks to stand up and admit that you are also responsible for going along all the way thinking you would get somewhere when you knew you wouldn't. That is the bit that gets me, probably more so than CCP's mismanagement. You can't stand there and point fingers at devs for wasting your time when you chose to go along with it too. FFS, at least admit that you are partially to blame for your time being wasted as well.


When I was in IRC there was a useless FC who made stupid decisions, I had already clocked him as being bad as had others, I fleet up and find him FC, he calls for Tempests and the enemy are in T3 BC snipers, I think maybe he has a warp in, so go with it. Nope, next thing he is burning at the enemy fleet, I put in fleet, I have a telephone call, turn around, burn out of the bubble and get in a safe POS, many people lose their ships. That is pretty clear cut in terms of outcome, I could see the result and got out, many 0.0 players would look at me and say you did not follow the FC, coward blah blah blah, well he wasn't an FC in my view and I paid for my own ships which is what gave me the right to say no to stupidly throwing it away based on his incompetence.

The result for the event was to get there and participate, there was no communication, people had made up their mind they would lose their ships, people had stuck it for hours and being dedicated to being involved in a Eve history event stayed with it, hell if you want to blame people for trusting CCP then be my guest, I feel however that those players deserved better than that. Its a sad world when the most dedicated passionate people get the biggest kick in the nuts!

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Octoven
Stellar Production
#968 - 2013-11-11 18:58:15 UTC
Manssell wrote:
Octoven wrote:

There isn't as much denying CCP's failure so much as there is asking everyone to take personal responsibility. I realize some people may have wanted to keep going, but if you are given a situation where you want to participate in an event, but you have to wait in line (long periods of time) to get a shot and never get a chance...well quite frankly you should take responsibility for the fact that you chose to remain regardless of the fact that it was going poorly.

Many have stated already they had TiDi for 23 jumps from Sarum to Ihal. Did these same people expect that TiDi to get better going from Ihal to RMOC? That should have been the first clue, and sorry mate I don't care how badly I want to do something, if I know I am wasting my time and won't have fun, I don't do it.

You want to blame CCP for poor management of the event fine, but have the bollocks to stand up and admit that you are also responsible for going along all the way thinking you would get somewhere when you knew you wouldn't. That is the bit that gets me, probably more so than CCP's mismanagement. You can't stand there and point fingers at devs for wasting your time when you chose to go along with it too. FFS, at least admit that you are partially to blame for your time being wasted as well.



Why do I keep seeing this bullplop?! Since when do we expect "personal responsibility" form line members in a fleet???? If thy joined a fleet and the FC told them to go 23 jumps then damn it… they better go 23 jumps. If they join a fleet and the FC tells them to jump into a camp… you better jump into the camp. Following FC orders is EXACTLY what we want CCP to be teaching new players to do. I have never been in a fleet where the FC welps us and then says it's "your responsibility for following my orders". Are you really suggesting that line members now start to question their FC orders and only follow them when they feel like it. Yea, that's great way to train noobs how to live outside of hi-sec.

The failure here was entirely on CCP side in they way the FC'ing was handled, not the players who followed those FC orders. Sure you can say perhaps you shouldn't join a CCP FC'd fleet, but once they are in the failure rest with the FC.


You have GOT to be the only person I know flying from high sec that doesnt drop fleet if the FC is incompetent. It happens very often infact, if I pay for MY ship and a FC tells me to go into a situation I know 100% will be a failure based on his leadership, I drop fleet. he didnt pay for my ship and I refuse to fly if I waste my time and lose my own property.

However, CCP didnt buy your ship for you, you chose to stay in fleet and follow a fleet you know wasn't be led well. Furthermore you chose to stick something out because its an official event? Seriously? I am not putting blame solely on players, CCP may be to blame for lack of an efficiently run event. However, the fact remains as a person capable of making informed decisions on to stay in or leave YOU are to blame for choosing to waste your own time. Stop making excuses and accept it, stop living in denial.
Octoven
Stellar Production
#969 - 2013-11-11 19:01:39 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Octoven wrote:
There isn't as much denying CCP's failure so much as there is asking everyone to take personal responsibility. I realize some people may have wanted to keep going, but if you are given a situation where you want to participate in an event, but you have to wait in line (long periods of time) to get a shot and never get a chance...well quite frankly you should take responsibility for the fact that you chose to remain regardless of the fact that it was going poorly.

Many have stated already they had TiDi for 23 jumps from Sarum to Ihal. Did these same people expect that TiDi to get better going from Ihal to RMOC? That should have been the first clue, and sorry mate I don't care how badly I want to do something, if I know I am wasting my time and won't have fun, I don't do it.

You want to blame CCP for poor management of the event fine, but have the bollocks to stand up and admit that you are also responsible for going along all the way thinking you would get somewhere when you knew you wouldn't. That is the bit that gets me, probably more so than CCP's mismanagement. You can't stand there and point fingers at devs for wasting your time when you chose to go along with it too. FFS, at least admit that you are partially to blame for your time being wasted as well.


When I was in IRC there was a useless FC who made stupid decisions, I had already clocked him as being bad as had others, I fleet up and find him FC, he calls for Tempests and the enemy are in T3 BC snipers, I think maybe he has a warp in, so go with it. Nope, next thing he is burning at the enemy fleet, I put in fleet, I have a telephone call, turn around, burn out of the bubble and get in a safe POS, many people lose their ships. That is pretty clear cut in terms of outcome, I could see the result and got out, many 0.0 players would look at me and say you did not follow the FC, coward blah blah blah, well he wasn't an FC in my view and I paid for my own ships which is what gave me the right to say no to stupidly throwing it away based on his incompetence.

The result for the event was to get there and participate, there was no communication, people had made up their mind they would lose their ships, people had stuck it for hours and being dedicated to being involved in a Eve history event stayed with it, hell if you want to blame people for trusting CCP then be my guest, I feel however that those players deserved better than that. Its a sad world when the most dedicated passionate people get the biggest kick in the nuts!


I don't agree that the blame solely falls on CCP's shoulders is what I am getting at, it is a shared blame among everyone involved. CCP for failing to organize and lead, and players for beings stupid enough to keep going when they see it is a waste of time. Each has their own responsibility and you cant put every blame on CCP and absolve yourself of any responsibility because you blindly kept going.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#970 - 2013-11-11 19:09:00 UTC
So much hurf blurf from nullsec and nobody notices this one thing.

Even though the destination was nullsec, a lot of these so-called risk averse carebears still showed up.

To deny that is to deny the evidence: look at all the boasting coming from nullsec.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#971 - 2013-11-11 19:10:07 UTC
Octoven wrote:
I don't agree that the blame solely falls on CCP's shoulders is what I am getting at, it is a shared blame among everyone involved. CCP for failing to organize and lead, and players for beings stupid enough to keep going when they see it is a waste of time. Each has their own responsibility and you cant put every blame on CCP and absolve yourself of any responsibility because you blindly kept going.


No, you are wrong, CCP has a responsibility for that event, yes it would have been wiser for people to drop out and many did, but still you are asking people who put faith in CCP to take part of the blame, for what was poor planning and execution on the part of CCP, sorry no. The example I gave you about a FC was where I could clearly see the outcome and my ship was the loss, the players concerned were not worried about their ships, they wanted to be part of the event, there was no clarity on the outcome until they were told the event had ended, they can only be held responsible for being dedicated to being part of Eve history, the blame is all on CCP.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Octoven
Stellar Production
#972 - 2013-11-11 19:12:45 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Octoven wrote:
I don't agree that the blame solely falls on CCP's shoulders is what I am getting at, it is a shared blame among everyone involved. CCP for failing to organize and lead, and players for beings stupid enough to keep going when they see it is a waste of time. Each has their own responsibility and you cant put every blame on CCP and absolve yourself of any responsibility because you blindly kept going.


No, you are wrong, CCP has a responsibility for that event, yes it would have been wiser for people to drop out and many did, but still you are asking people who put faith in CCP to take part of the blame, for what was poor planning and execution on the part of CCP, sorry no. The example I gave you about a FC was where I could clearly see the outcome and my ship was the loss, the players concerned were not worried about their ships, they wanted to be part of the event, there was no clarity on the outcome until they were told the event had ended, they can only be held responsible for being dedicated to being part of Eve history, the blame is all on CCP.


Well that is your opinion, the fact remains you all still wasted your time because you trusted CCP to give you an event that was within a decent time frame. If you cant be bother to turn back when it was taking to long or when you knew you wouldn't make it in time...well I don't know what to tell you other than you deserve the treatment you put your own selves through.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#973 - 2013-11-11 19:13:38 UTC
Octoven wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Octoven wrote:
I don't agree that the blame solely falls on CCP's shoulders is what I am getting at, it is a shared blame among everyone involved. CCP for failing to organize and lead, and players for beings stupid enough to keep going when they see it is a waste of time. Each has their own responsibility and you cant put every blame on CCP and absolve yourself of any responsibility because you blindly kept going.


No, you are wrong, CCP has a responsibility for that event, yes it would have been wiser for people to drop out and many did, but still you are asking people who put faith in CCP to take part of the blame, for what was poor planning and execution on the part of CCP, sorry no. The example I gave you about a FC was where I could clearly see the outcome and my ship was the loss, the players concerned were not worried about their ships, they wanted to be part of the event, there was no clarity on the outcome until they were told the event had ended, they can only be held responsible for being dedicated to being part of Eve history, the blame is all on CCP.


Well that is your opinion, the fact remains you all still wasted your time because you trusted CCP to give you an event that was within a decent time frame. If you cant be bother to turn back when it was taking to long or when you knew you wouldn't make it in time...well I don't know what to tell you other than you deserve the treatment you put your own selves through.


They did not know they would not make it on time!!!!

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
#974 - 2013-11-11 19:16:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Jandice Ymladris
Octoven wrote:

I don't agree that the blame solely falls on CCP's shoulders is what I am getting at, it is a shared blame among everyone involved. CCP for failing to organize and lead, and players for beings stupid enough to keep going when they see it is a waste of time. Each has their own responsibility and you cant put every blame on CCP and absolve yourself of any responsibility because you blindly kept going.


I belive you have a bit of trouble with the last line. Most players already accepted the responsibility of following a bad FC (it's the norm during live events). There were even organized fleets from highsec with good FC's who led their fleets into the gatecamps. In many times people have been informed during the event that it went to null and would loose their ship, those unwilling (mostly) turned around, save a few without common sense.

In this case, the people accepted their decision of following the Live Event actor into death, they knew what would happen and accepted that responsibility. Most of the complaining and raging isn't about dying to nullsec camps. It's about the fact there was no tangible event. Many pushed trough in hopes to see a live event unfold at the targetsystems, but even that failed to happen properly, as it was over when the larger fleets finally managed to get there.

In short CCP isn't blamed for the many deaths at gatecamps. they're blamed for wasting people's time for what was supposed to be a large Lore event (they even hinted it at their announcement posts it could be at the scale of the nation Invasions).

As for people not accepting their responsibility, outside some, many accepted it and quite some had a blast fighting the gatecamps, even tho death was certain. Hell I even got complains of people who got ignored by the gatecamps. However many felt let down that there was just no lorebuilding done around it by the Live Event actors.

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#975 - 2013-11-11 19:30:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer
If there is only one thing that has me miffed about this, it can be this:

We have seen CCP work with in-game organizations before. The latest "scandal" was with Somer Blink and we need not go into that (and what anybody thinks about it, scandal or not, etc)..

So if CCP will go to in-game organizations and work with them for some promotional or program, then why did they not approach FCORD, SYNE, IRED, and some of the other RP-related organizations for this live event?

It wouldn't even have requiring any "giving" of ships. FCORD came into existence just because of the Sansha live events (as I recall).

Did the unholy screeching outrage over Somer Blink suddenly make CCP extremely averse to working with any player-run orgs? Did they have a policy change because of it, so such level that their hands were tied for this live event (and hence the lack of organization)?

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
#976 - 2013-11-11 19:53:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Maximus Aerelius
I agree with both of the above posts from Dracvlad and Jandice Ymladri.

Here's a question for Octoven:

With hindsight being such a wonderful thing and all at which point do you think many of the customers involved thought "this is going be finished by CCP in the next 10 minutes and I'm not going to make it I'll just make for home"?

There was no direct communication of a timeline i.e. it will only last one hour or orders or any information aside from what trickled through from other channels and yes, while most of us hold true to the mantra 'trust no one in EVE' we kept going while trying to confirm the information through 3 separate "special" channels along with Local and then when "Event Finished" was confirmed we all made for home in 10% TiDi no less and from 2 jumps out of Shedoo so still in Hi-Sec and I was in staging system (Sarum Prime and then next door after relog due to audio issues from the start). I personally lost nothing IG (not even my "Loss Fit" Drake and blank clone) so please bear in mind that this isn't a tear post or a HTFU\Learn to PvP Better or anything of that sort.

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Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
#977 - 2013-11-11 20:01:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Maximus Aerelius
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
If there is only one thing that has me miffed about this, it can be this:

We have seen CCP work with in-game organizations before. The latest "scandal" was with Somer Blink and we need not go into that (and what anybody thinks about it, scandal or not, etc)..

So if CCP will go to in-game organizations and work with them for some promotional or program, then why did they not approach FCORD, SYNE, IRED, and some of the other RP-related organizations for this live event?

It wouldn't even have requiring any "giving" of ships. FCORD came into existence just because of the Sansha live events (as I recall).

Did the unholy screeching outrage over Somer Blink suddenly make CCP extremely averse to working with any player-run orgs? Did they have a policy change because of it, so such level that their hands were tied for this live event (and hence the lack of organization)?


Actually I think, I may be wrong, but didn't Super General from FCORD lead a fleet a some point? They may have gone down this route but it was complete chaos not just communications wise but organisational and that's all on CCP's shoulders.

They stated very clearly that they, CCP and CCP Devs, would be forming fleets at 1850hrs in the staging systems. I personally joined the 3 extra chat channels provided from various links along with Local (OFC Smile) and not once did I see an RPG Character or CCP Dev post anything up once. All the information I received was 3rd hand from a copy and paste that I could neither confirm not deny until I scrolled on through the chaotic "WTF!" "Where are we supposed to go" "Who's in charge" type of spam that was in all channels. I couldn't keep track of all the chatter that was going on along with aligning to stargates in TiDi (while maintaining that I was about to be ganked) and trying to organise and converse with my fleet in Fleet Chat and on TS3 along with trying to recruit members into the fleet en-route.

EDIT: Confirmed that Super General was with the FCORD Fleet from this post in LE: Impressions of a large fleet

This is one fantastic account from one of the few out of the thousands that tried to attend participated in the event. If only I were able to write the same account and I really wish that I could instead of considering options.

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Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
#978 - 2013-11-11 20:09:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Jandice Ymladris
Maximus Aerelius wrote:

Actually I think, I may be wrong, but didn't Super General from FCORD lead a fleet a some point? They may have gone down this route but it was complete chaos not just communications wise but organisational and that's all on CCP's shoulders.


Yup they did, and had a blast. They even managed to reach the Serpentis station (one of them even brought his Vindicator for Glorious Death! ) You can find the FCORD report here: Impression of a large fleet . It's one of the more positive threads on the event (focuses on the action itself, not the CCP screwups) Edit: to clarify, this is the action viewpoint of the highsec players, wich seems okay for both sides.

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Illusion of Solitude
#979 - 2013-11-11 20:11:40 UTC
Maximus Aerelius wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
If there is only one thing that has me miffed about this, it can be this:

We have seen CCP work with in-game organizations before. The latest "scandal" was with Somer Blink and we need not go into that (and what anybody thinks about it, scandal or not, etc)..

So if CCP will go to in-game organizations and work with them for some promotional or program, then why did they not approach FCORD, SYNE, IRED, and some of the other RP-related organizations for this live event?

It wouldn't even have requiring any "giving" of ships. FCORD came into existence just because of the Sansha live events (as I recall).

Did the unholy screeching outrage over Somer Blink suddenly make CCP extremely averse to working with any player-run orgs? Did they have a policy change because of it, so such level that their hands were tied for this live event (and hence the lack of organization)?


Actually I think, I may be wrong, but didn't Super General from FCORD lead a fleet a some point? They may have gone down this route but it was complete chaos not just communications wise but organisational and that's all on CCP's shoulders.

They stated very clearly that they, CCP and CCP Devs, would be forming fleets at 1850hrs in the staging systems. I personally joined the 3 extra chat channels provided from various links along with Local (OFC Smile) and not once did I see an RPG Character or CCP Dev post anything up once. All the information I received was 3rd hand from a copy and paste that I could neither confirm not deny until I scrolled on through the chaotic "WTF!" "Where are we supposed to go" "Who's in charge" type of spam that was in all channels. I couldn't keep track of all the chatter that was going on along with aligning to stargates in TiDi (while maintaining that I was about to be ganked) and trying to organise and converse with my fleet in Fleet Chat and on TS3 along with trying to recruit members into the fleet en-route.

There were some yellow instructions in Sarum prime local buried in mass spam who all moved out of amarr for the day, but some of those were trolling in game links ,there was one that appeared more genuine, so after seeing the same in twitter, I thought what the hell I will not get anything done waiting here.so pretty much the same experience as you.Never saw a CCP post at all.Sorry I missed you, would have been good to be in a fleet, but in the end It was over before I even got there.

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Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
#980 - 2013-11-11 20:12:12 UTC
Jandice Ymladris wrote:
Maximus Aerelius wrote:

Actually I think, I may be wrong, but didn't Super General from FCORD lead a fleet a some point? They may have gone down this route but it was complete chaos not just communications wise but organisational and that's all on CCP's shoulders.


Yup they did, and had a blast. They even managed to reach the Serpentis station (one of them even brought his Vindicator for Glorious Death! ) You can find the FCORD report here: Impression of a large fleet . It's one of the more positive threads on the event (focuses on the action itself, not the CCP screwups) Edit: to clarify, this is the action viewpoint of the highsec players, wich seems okay for both sides.


Ha ha you must've posted as I was editing and getting links from the other screen. I knew I'd read an awesome WoT (not that I minded as it was superbly written). Nice job though adding that info.

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