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Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#81 - 2013-11-10 21:59:21 UTC
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Scherezad wrote:
Suggestion: Let CCP deal with this on their own. They don't need a player to help them "come clean." They also don't need to start that discussion when they're off for the weekend.

Suggestion: In the future, perhaps try avoiding a mixture of "Searching for reasonable discussion" and "Baiting trolls" in your posts. All this will do is improve your mastery in baiting. Unless you're looking for the title, of course.


Big smileCool

Good, like that.

I Know but when they pile in it's so hard not to,So tempting a target.They don't even realise they have been Ganked. But you're right, no point, It's just too easy.

Good luck, then! You'll achieve that coveted Grand Master title in no time!
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#82 - 2013-11-10 22:01:30 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
Quote:

Well when the OP states that you would need to have the IQ of a vegetable not to understand and then they pile in to prove just that, it is hard not to find it amusingLol.

I think mybe your confusing not understanding with not agreeing, a common "the world revolves around me" mistake made by high sec mission runners


HMMM null sec corps and wh corps makes me a hisec mission runner?

If you read the whole OP and think for a couple of seconds, you might see it in a slightly different light.
Anyway I have been asked by an intelligent articulate poster not to feed the Trolls, So I am signing off this thread now out of respect to someone who can read and make sensible comments and amendments.

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
Killerjock
Von Neumann Industries
#83 - 2013-11-11 10:44:49 UTC
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Roll back to a pre event backup and reimburse skill points for the difference between now and then.

This will put things back as they were before the disaster.
No one should gain or lose from this disasterously managed event.
Naturally anyone who gained so much from this debacle will feel cheated of their prize but anyone with the slightest thread of human dignity would think a moment and understand the need.


No, it won't.

I don't give a damn about the loss of a 20m thorax. I don't want the ship back. Nor the skill points, that measly what? 2000 points? Who cares about that. And who cares if the alliances grabbed the spoils? let them - believe me, much as they might brag, it won't be much of a change in their monthly income.

And surely no one will give me my 2 hours back.

What was lost was faith in this endeavour - and that is the most important currency CCP had. And you don't get that back with a freaking reimbursement. Still waiting for their statement.
Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
#84 - 2013-11-11 10:50:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Owen Levanth
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Shock Fist wrote:
Would you like a hug OP? Those tears looked harsh?



No tears here lol
Remember the old saying there is no point arguing with an Idiot, and coming down to their level, they have more experience.


So why did you make this thread if you see no point in us arguing with you? Are you bored?

Your idea is the dumbest idea ever, by the way.

That reminds me, I lost a Myrmidon a few months back. Could we roll back to May 2013, too?
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#85 - 2013-11-11 10:56:27 UTC
Owen Levanth wrote:
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Shock Fist wrote:
Would you like a hug OP? Those tears looked harsh?



No tears here lol
Remember the old saying there is no point arguing with an Idiot, and coming down to their level, they have more experience.


So why did you make this thread if you see no point in us arguing with you? Are you bored?

Your idea is the dumbest idea ever, by the way.

That reminds me, I lost a Myrmidon a few months back. Could we roll back to May 2013, too?


Discussion is very different from arguing.

A discussion as to how things can be fairly resolved and matters put right If CCP Ever realised just how badly things went.

I am dissapointed that you were completely able to fully read or understand the contents of the post, but I bow to your experience.

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#86 - 2013-11-11 10:58:38 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
Killerjock wrote:
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Roll back to a pre event backup and reimburse skill points for the difference between now and then.

This will put things back as they were before the disaster.
No one should gain or lose from this disasterously managed event.
Naturally anyone who gained so much from this debacle will feel cheated of their prize but anyone with the slightest thread of human dignity would think a moment and understand the need.


No, it won't.

I don't give a damn about the loss of a 20m thorax. I don't want the ship back. Nor the skill points, that measly what? 2000 points? Who cares about that. And who cares if the alliances grabbed the spoils? let them - believe me, much as they might brag, it won't be much of a change in their monthly income.

And surely no one will give me my 2 hours back.

What was lost was faith in this endeavour - and that is the most important currency CCP had. And you don't get that back with a freaking reimbursement. Still waiting for their statement.


I agree, some small token does not restore the balance, make up for the lost time or restore faith, but It would have been a line in the sand that CCP could clearly say we are not in Nulls pocket look we took it back.Now we will work to rebuild your trust.

I am waiting too before I make a final decision but time is running out, 11 am in Iceland Now.
If they think this will just blow over, It will be a deserted wasteland it blows over.Sad

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
#87 - 2013-11-11 11:04:30 UTC
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Owen Levanth wrote:
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Shock Fist wrote:
Would you like a hug OP? Those tears looked harsh?



No tears here lol
Remember the old saying there is no point arguing with an Idiot, and coming down to their level, they have more experience.


So why did you make this thread if you see no point in us arguing with you? Are you bored?

Your idea is the dumbest idea ever, by the way.

That reminds me, I lost a Myrmidon a few months back. Could we roll back to May 2013, too?


Discussion is very different from arguing.

A discussion as to how things can be fairly resolved and matters put right If CCP Ever realised just how badly things went.

I am dissapointed that you were completely able to fully read or understand the contents of the post, but I bow to your experience.


Yeah, I was able to fully understand what you wrote, indeed. It wasn't easy, though. It still sounds like madness to me. So you see nothing wrong with rolling back all of Eve just because a few little fleets got destroyed? That's just dumb.

And it's not as if CCP suddenly gets magically better at running events, either. So your suggestion is completely pointless.
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#88 - 2013-11-11 11:14:39 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
Owen Levanth wrote:
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Owen Levanth wrote:
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Shock Fist wrote:
Would you like a hug OP? Those tears looked harsh?



No tears here lol
Remember the old saying there is no point arguing with an Idiot, and coming down to their level, they have more experience.


So why did you make this thread if you see no point in us arguing with you? Are you bored?

Your idea is the dumbest idea ever, by the way.

That reminds me, I lost a Myrmidon a few months back. Could we roll back to May 2013, too?


Discussion is very different from arguing.

A discussion as to how things can be fairly resolved and matters put right If CCP Ever realised just how badly things went.

I am dissapointed that you were completely able to fully read or understand the contents of the post, but I bow to your experience.


Yeah, I was able to fully understand what you wrote, indeed. It wasn't easy, though. It still sounds like madness to me. So you see nothing wrong with rolling back all of Eve just because a few little fleets got destroyed? That's just dumb.

And it's not as if CCP suddenly gets magically better at running events, either. So your suggestion is completely pointless.


Two small differences,
1 You screwed up, you lost, want a shiny unicorn?
2 CCP Screwed up and cost time and trust and rewarded people for reasons unknown.

suggestion:- Come clean apologize, make people good and apologize again and sort your company out!

We do not give a hairy toss about a few ships, we are annoyed at being shafted where someone else gains for whatever reason.


Very well then then what is your solution to this clusterfrack? Because It will not just Go away unless you like going GRR to the person next to you as that is all that will be left?

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
Killerjock
Von Neumann Industries
#89 - 2013-11-11 12:53:32 UTC
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
I agree, some small token does not restore the balance, make up for the lost time or restore faith, but It would have been a line in the sand that CCP could clearly say we are not in Nulls pocket look we took it back.Now we will work to rebuild your trust.
I am waiting too before I make a final decision but time is running out, 11 am in Iceland Now.
If they think this will just blow over, It will be a deserted wasteland it blows over.Sad


Token - yes. Reimbursement - no.

Why not? because it would answer the wrong demand; and then they would be able to say "you got your stuff back, why do you complain?"
And those who have been misunderstanding us all along will be able to say: "See? that's what you wanted all along, it WAS about the isk."

Besides, it's 100% against what eve's about: what's done is done; you don't get free respawns. You choose, and you suffer the consequences of your decisions - to lose ships was, indeed, our decision. That's not what we're complaining about.
It would be wrong to roll this back - I choose to lose my ship to a losec blob (tried to save it and fell short). I do not want it back, I do not want them to suffer the consequences of a CCP mistake: we fought, they killed me fair and square, and got the spoils. All is as it should be.
It's CCP who botched, not those who profited on it. Rolling this back would be wrong.
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#90 - 2013-11-11 12:59:34 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
Killerjock wrote:
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
I agree, some small token does not restore the balance, make up for the lost time or restore faith, but It would have been a line in the sand that CCP could clearly say we are not in Nulls pocket look we took it back.Now we will work to rebuild your trust.
I am waiting too before I make a final decision but time is running out, 11 am in Iceland Now.
If they think this will just blow over, It will be a deserted wasteland it blows over.Sad


Token - yes. Reimbursement - no.

Why not? because it would answer the wrong demand; and then they would be able to say "you got your stuff back, why do you complain?"
And those who have been misunderstanding us all along will be able to say: "See? that's what you wanted all along, it WAS about the isk."

Besides, it's 100% against what eve's about: what's done is done; you don't get free respawns. You choose, and you suffer the consequences of your decisions - to lose ships was, indeed, our decision. That's not what we're complaining about.
It would be wrong to roll this back - I choose to lose my ship to a losec blob (tried to save it and fell short). I do not want it back, I do not want them to suffer the consequences of a CCP mistake: we fought, they killed me fair and square, and got the spoils. All is as it should be.
It's CCP who botched, not those who profited on it. Rolling this back would be wrong.

You are right, It would send the wrong message.
Thank you for your well thought out and rational post.
It is a breath of fresh air.
CCP need to understand the issue Clearly, Isk is irrelevent.
Showing they are fair,Unbiased and professional and willing to correct their mistakes,learn from them and Improve is ALL I want.

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
Dagda Morr
TEMPLAR.
The Initiative.
#91 - 2013-11-11 16:42:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Dagda Morr
I have an IQ of 55 so I think I am qualified to deal with this...

Since we are obviously dealing with an intellectualy heavyweight in the form of the OP I thought I would bring in the concept known as "sensitivity to initial conditions". How many events both big and small have originated from the effects of that event? How many new players have discovered a thirst for revenge or on your case the sour taste of failure? How many of those wrecks have been salvaged and turned into rigs which in turn have allowed ships to destroy enemies. If you tunr back the server then you have effectively invalidated all of that emergent game play, on a simple whim becasue a trip into nullsec did not end how you imagined. This is pretty uch akin to not caring about all the other legitimate paying customers becasue you are unhappy you did not get what you wanted.

Think for a second what would have happened had the denizens of null not attacked. Presumably people joined this event over other more usual PVE content becasue it was going to null - I don't know what you imagined nullsec would be but if it was the same as empire or lowsec and not filled with frothing raging psychpaths it would be utterly mundane.

You think something should have been done about the TiDi? This is a mechanic brought in for large fleet movements - a symmetric effect that hampered both you and the nullsec brutes that slaughtered you and your chums when you stepped into their world from their own.

The fact is that there was no failure of hardware, no unexpected game bugs - no unfair advantage. You died becasue you were unprepared, inexperienced and at the mercy of people who make living in nullsec their entire raison d'etre.

Basically you are bad.
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#92 - 2013-11-11 16:43:30 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
Dagda Morr wrote:
I have an IQ of 55 so I think I am qualified to deal with this...

Since we are obviously dealing with an intellectualy heavyweight in the form of the OP I thought I would bring in the concept known as "sensitivity to initial conditions". How many events both big and small have originated from the effects of that event? How many new players have discovered a thirst for revenge or on your case the sour taste of failure? How many of those wrecks have been salvaged and turned into rigs which in turn have allowed ships to destroy enemies. If you tunr back the server then you have effectively invalidated all of that emergent game play, on a simple whim becasue a trip into nullsec did not end how you imagined. This is pretty uch akin to not caring about all the other legitimate paying customers becasue you are unhappy you did not get what you wanted.

Think for a second what would have happened had the denizens of null not attacked. Presumably people joined this event over other more usual PVE content becasue it was going to null - I don't know what you imagined nullsec would be but if it was the same as empire or lowsec and not filled with frothing raging psychpaths it would be utterly mundane.

You think something should have been done about the TiDi? This is a mechanic brought in for large fleet movements - a symmetric effect that hampered both you and the nullsec brutes that slaughtered you and your chums when you stepped into their world from their own.

The fact is that there was no failure of hardware, no unexpected game bugs - no unfair advantage. You died becasue you were unprepared, inexperienced and at the mercy of people who make living in nullsec their entire raison d'etre.

Basically you are bad.


I did not die. it is in the op

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
Dagda Morr
TEMPLAR.
The Initiative.
#93 - 2013-11-11 21:43:14 UTC
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Dagda Morr wrote:
I have an IQ of 55 so I think I am qualified to deal with this...

Since we are obviously dealing with an intellectualy heavyweight in the form of the OP I thought I would bring in the concept known as "sensitivity to initial conditions". How many events both big and small have originated from the effects of that event? How many new players have discovered a thirst for revenge or on your case the sour taste of failure? How many of those wrecks have been salvaged and turned into rigs which in turn have allowed ships to destroy enemies. If you tunr back the server then you have effectively invalidated all of that emergent game play, on a simple whim becasue a trip into nullsec did not end how you imagined. This is pretty uch akin to not caring about all the other legitimate paying customers becasue you are unhappy you did not get what you wanted.

Think for a second what would have happened had the denizens of null not attacked. Presumably people joined this event over other more usual PVE content becasue it was going to null - I don't know what you imagined nullsec would be but if it was the same as empire or lowsec and not filled with frothing raging psychpaths it would be utterly mundane.

You think something should have been done about the TiDi? This is a mechanic brought in for large fleet movements - a symmetric effect that hampered both you and the nullsec brutes that slaughtered you and your chums when you stepped into their world from their own.

The fact is that there was no failure of hardware, no unexpected game bugs - no unfair advantage. You died becasue you were unprepared, inexperienced and at the mercy of people who make living in nullsec their entire raison d'etre.

Basically you are bad.


I did not die. it is in the op


Not on your forum warrior character at least......
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#94 - 2013-11-11 22:40:14 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
Dagda Morr wrote:
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Dagda Morr wrote:
I have an IQ of 55 so I think I am qualified to deal with this...

Since we are obviously dealing with an intellectualy heavyweight in the form of the OP I thought I would bring in the concept known as "sensitivity to initial conditions". How many events both big and small have originated from the effects of that event? How many new players have discovered a thirst for revenge or on your case the sour taste of failure? How many of those wrecks have been salvaged and turned into rigs which in turn have allowed ships to destroy enemies. If you tunr back the server then you have effectively invalidated all of that emergent game play, on a simple whim becasue a trip into nullsec did not end how you imagined. This is pretty uch akin to not caring about all the other legitimate paying customers becasue you are unhappy you did not get what you wanted.

Think for a second what would have happened had the denizens of null not attacked. Presumably people joined this event over other more usual PVE content becasue it was going to null - I don't know what you imagined nullsec would be but if it was the same as empire or lowsec and not filled with frothing raging psychpaths it would be utterly mundane.

You think something should have been done about the TiDi? This is a mechanic brought in for large fleet movements - a symmetric effect that hampered both you and the nullsec brutes that slaughtered you and your chums when you stepped into their world from their own.

The fact is that there was no failure of hardware, no unexpected game bugs - no unfair advantage. You died becasue you were unprepared, inexperienced and at the mercy of people who make living in nullsec their entire raison d'etre.

Basically you are bad.


I did not die. it is in the op


Not on your forum warrior character at least......


No, if I turn round, you can see the I came for the live event, but had a giant cactus rammed up there By CCP instead !Shocked

If I had made it to the killzone, I wouldn't even have that as a souvenir.

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
Trii Seo
Goonswarm Federation
#95 - 2013-11-11 23:22:53 UTC
Welcome into one of oh so many nullsec fleets that went sour because the FC screwed up, or got screwed by TiDi. It just happens.

As we spammed in local: "Welcome to nullsec".

Proud pilot of the Imperium

Arek'Jaalan: Heliograph
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#96 - 2013-11-11 23:36:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer
The only thing I want to see restored is faith in Live Events.

There are a lot of players who only stick around for that. They can tell you all about "their" Eve in an order based on live events and the time in between. It's a richer experience for those who value it. This is what's funny about reading "it was just another Thursday for nullsec" (regarding the slaughter).

Yes, just another day, killing everything that moved, clicking F1 on command and watching their stats. Somehow mining rocks is more maligned yet I have to search for a difference in the end result.

If live events are dead, the aspergian alphas playing the game with one button and one eye on a KB will own the game. The KB is all that matters to this crowd, and being in some kind of pecking order that matters. Whereas everybody has their priorities and a right to them, a multiple user environment in which the content is driven towards one priority destroys the value of past content.

Most people who want to kill and be killed at a ratio that mattered usually play something else.

In Eve, if the Click F1, Check KB crowd rules the day, the lore, the story, everything, is nothing, and most of them smugly say it's nothing, like "hey look at me, I don't care about your silly story, that makes me (read: my stats) stronger!". The game becomes Modern Warfare With Spaceships.

All future prospects for the development of the story dies too, making this "just another game". Tell CCP not to bother, break the lore, and scrap past and future novels too. We might at well go find an unpublished novel of a famous sci-fi writer and use it for toilet paper, if not just blankly look at it and toss it saying "this does not improve my DPS".


People love the game for what it is, and the story too. These are the Firefly fanatics, the Lexx fans, the people raised on Star Trek and Star Wars.

They got fed to people who only care about a number and play Eve the same way they already play just about any game. There's nothing wrong with being a "gamesman" (This is a term used in shooting sports like IDPA and USPSA), just don't feed one to the other.

I'll keep my faction ship in the hangar and place a bet on the next live event being an improvement. It's all I stick around for anyway.

(and occasional PVP alt tomfoolery in nullsec that makes me giggle like Loreena Bobbit in a sausage factory. Hey sometimes you just gotta love your fellow players so much you smack them in the head to let them know)

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#97 - 2013-11-11 23:43:03 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
Trii Seo wrote:
Welcome into one of oh so many nullsec fleets that went sour because the FC screwed up, or got screwed by TiDi. It just happens.

As we spammed in local: "Welcome to nullsec".


No actually It doesn't Just happen.
Claiming Live events this unbalanced are just an accident is not credible.
I do not believe in the tooth fairy or Unicorns shitting rainbows either.What?

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
Trii Seo
Goonswarm Federation
#98 - 2013-11-11 23:54:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Trii Seo
But we care about the lore. We exist in the lore. That day shall be remembered as the one empires tried to interfere with our independence and we shot them for it. It's EVE, it's sandbox, the CFC and null empires exist within the lore.

We're the outer region empires that give little hoot about what empires think and should the self-proclaimed good guys get involved - we're ready in our steel boots to dispense some real A-Type Asskicking.

Proud pilot of the Imperium

Arek'Jaalan: Heliograph
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#99 - 2013-11-12 00:07:39 UTC
Trii Seo wrote:
But we care about the lore. We exist in the lore. That day shall be remembered as the one empires tried to interfere with our independence and we shot them for it. It's EVE, it's sandbox, the CFC and null empires exist within the lore.

We're the outer region empires that give little hoot about what empires think and should the self-proclaimed good guys get involved - we're ready in our steel boots to dispense some real A-Type Asskicking.



That's the spirit.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#100 - 2013-11-12 00:47:48 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Trii Seo wrote:
But we care about the lore. We exist in the lore. That day shall be remembered as the one empires tried to interfere with our independence and we shot them for it. It's EVE, it's sandbox, the CFC and null empires exist within the lore.

We're the outer region empires that give little hoot about what empires think and should the self-proclaimed good guys get involved - we're ready in our steel boots to dispense some real A-Type Asskicking.



That's the spirit.

Excellent we all love the lore.
not so big a difference really between any of us.

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE