Live Events Discussion

Hy,

since there are already enough hate, defame and tear threads out there, which will change nothing, I will open this more or less productive suggestion thread. Since every (even if rightly accused) person will go into defense or at least stubborn neglect mode, it is time to try the positive approach of 'You know what would have been great .. !".

Lovers wanna love and haters wanna hate, that's all good and well. So if you wanna love, be productive, give it a like and/or post with your own suggestion. If you wanna hate, read between the lines and go and bump one of the other threads .



How it could have been

Same resolve, same outcome.

3 days before: Announcement of the event. Reveal of the 4 Empire staging areas - not near any trade hub with multiple access gates. This would have cut down local to 1/4 each and neighboring systems to 1/12 or less rendering time dilation almost mute.

1 day before: Announcement of the counter offensive and revelation of 2 pirate staging areas further fogging the true destination as well as travel routes.

18:50 Empire: One Titan jumps into every Empire staging system offering up an event fleet commanded by a CCP official (visible in the fleet finder). A system wide announcement counts down a timer till jump bridge to Ihal making travel time and tidi unnecessary and giving latecomers near the destination the option to travel there the normal way.

18:50 Low Sec: System wide announcements of all sentry guns shutting down and opening of the jump gates for massive fleet access giving low sec'ers something to wonder about and fill them with excitement and anticipation.

18:50 Ihal: Jump Gate is locked for all palyers.

19:10 Ihal: Announcement to amass at the Mifrata gate and wait for the 'jump' command of the 4 FCs.

19:10 0.0 Staging areas: Announcement of the next in line destination (since previous are not set by me , I got no names to offer here but you get the point).

19:10 Mifrata: 100 Empire ships in the composition of an incursion/invasion fleet (Frigs to battleships, tackle via brawl and ewar to dps) jump into system engaging all low sec gate campers until less then 10% are left and warp to the Sendaya gate. (if you bring hig sec to pvp, one should bring low sec to pve). This unlocks the Ihal/Mifrata gate: jump jump jump.

19:30 Mifrata - Sendaya Gate: The same as before, only no further gate will be locked from now on. Announcement to wait until the all clear from the Empire fleet comes. 50 Empire ships jump and clear the gate on the other side, the rest warp of to high sec. FCs: jump jump jump.

19:45 Sendaya: The survivors of the Empire fleet warp to the Doril gate clean as much as they can, until destroyed or nothing is left, then warp out.

19:50: Amassing of the 4 player fleets at the Doril gate. Announcement of the final destination, RMOC for all fleets (high and 0). CCP FCs leave the fleet, abandoning it and all players - the Empires have forsaken the capsuleers!

20:00: The fleets reorganize and one after the other controlled or chaotic jump into Doril and the awaiting Nullsec fleets. Who can burn through burns through, who stays to fight fights, many will die.

20:30 RMOC: The main event - Not sure what it was supposed to be, never got there - so didn't many many others and none that I know of.

20:45: The return to high sec. Vastly outnumbered, beaten and burning, the last of the high sec fleets try to return to save haven, only to be hunted down by the 0 sec powerblocks - the routing of the capsuleers is in its final stage.

20:50: Small fleets of Sisters of Eves ships (flown by CCP devs) jumps into Doril, Jorund and Hemin, as well as the low sec systems and engages the pirates allowing by distraction some brave high sec capsuleers to escape ...

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The outcome would probably be the same, loads of ganks, death and destruction, the annihilation of the high sec capsuleer fleet and the ensuing battles between the 0 sec power blocks. But it would have left an awesome experience for long time high sec dwellers, new pilots and even low and 0 sec veterans. Titans would be introduced to vast majority of high sec pilots, the first bridged jump, the amassing of fleets, the rout of low sec, the daredevlish jump to 0.0 ... no matter the outcome.
Even evaporated after 10 seconds in Doril players would have said: "I was there!" - which should have been the underlying incentive for the whole event.
Further more not only ghost sites, but the SoE ships could have been introduced with a decently guided storyline progress for the EVE lore - The rise of the capsuleers, the estrangement of the empires, their losing grip and the compassion of the Servant Sisters of Eve.
The last steps would still be optional and in the players hand - not scripted at all, if the outpost (or what it was) stands or falls would still be open, if players would meet the challenge of 0.0 and rise or fall would still be unknown ...


No TL,DR, sorry mates. Still I hope it finds appreciation, some likes and will be noticed by someone that does care about Live Events. Now go on, post your own 'could have been' !!

But that could never be! It would be interesting and fun, can't allow that!

But how could CCP have a party watching hisec get slaughtered then?

seriously great idea,You should work for them I am sure CCP will have some Vacancies soon after this.

I like it in the sense that the gate camps be broken up (so there'd be sufficient force on the ingate to gain a potential foothold) and n00bs from lemming jumping too soon by shutting down the outgate.

The controversial titan in high sec would have to be done in the firm explicit emphasis that empires control high sec access for capitals to nip that threadnaught about allowing nullseccers to do so too in the bud. Course, i expect the high pitched whine of favoritism to be on the lips of demogogues despite the rational roleplay explanation for bending the usual gameplay mechanics.

I don't like it simply because i know CCP is clueless and any such attempt will always be a poorly organized welp fleet that shows CCP's ignorance for mindsets other than their hardcore pvp fanboi powerblocs have brainwashed them into accepting as fact.

you have witnessed CCP's consequences for their 'vision' and it's systemic.

Can't wait to see their new player training calender event for "teamwork" and then "fleet pvp"...just to prove my point

Small scripts should be written out before hand that the main npc actors could give for the roleplaying/event crowd. I've given a couple of these to players in muds simply via cutting and pasting text and it's generally been appreciated. It helps to set the stage for both where and why you are about to do something (probably something very stupid.) And it gives people something to talk about as they're waiting for things to happen.

Important event information should always be easily available via reliable in game means, and the event description should tell people what those means are. If you want to broadcast on twitter to broaden your potential audience then that's fine but it should be an additional avenue of information to the in-game one. Of course if you use external information dissemination like twitter you should tell people where to look for it in the event introduction as well.

Some sort of easy flagging system would be nice. Perhaps you can flag yourself as pirate allied or empire allied and appear on an event only overview tab in a particular color? It seems a bit impractical for 3000 strangers to set standings to each other individually so they know who not to randomly shoot Perhaps the npc's could not shoot players on their team, unless shot by them first?

i've been poop posting in the other threads, but your post is pretty clear and lacking in tasty tears. whilst this disapoints me a little i have to say i get your point. I FC'd one of the powerbloc gangs in Syndicate and we killed so many just by bubbling a gate and watching people warp into it solo. If you had an FC and maybe eve voice coms to follow, your event would have been less painful. TiDi is a part of eve we cant get around and better than the server just crashing, you would have still died at the end, but you would have got a kill or 2 before the end of it.

There wont be a roll back, there wont be re-embursed sp. But this post at least CCP could learn from.

+1 from EXE.

The other option could have been to have an event that was...... I don't know .....hmmm , fun.
I am at a loss to imagine what went through the organisers heads.
If they wanted a big hs vs null battle fine but if announced they wouldn't have had the numbers.
So people were mislead and made to form far far away so they didn't realise what was going to happen.And dragged in TiDi hell

If they placed the event with the forces next other it would have been ....

Hang on you expect us to go against an organised waiting group with trained fleets bubbles supers and capitals on their home ground and fight???

No Mr Bond I expect you to die.

Screw that.

if u string up concort for a while we would have a blast. But then u make spesial rules for sertain groups that want to play a sertain way and another set of rules for all the others?.
seemes only way for this is not to make a event like this again.

Announcing the event 3 days before would have brought more people and that takes you back to square one in TiDi problem.

Locking gates and shutting down gate guns is not a good idea in general imho.

Other than that interesting ideas.

Using NPCs to fight players, locking gates and having hands held all the way through it? You want a theme park, not a live event.

There are no systems in EVE that could handle combat between players with 2000 per side. TiDi is an inevitable outcome of having a large number of players involved in any activity in the one system. The way to avoid TiDi is to involve fewer people, break the fleets up into more manageable numbers, or simply cap systems at certain population levels. IMHO having a long tour to get to lowsec in the first place is not a good idea: CCP thought that the long tour would allow latecomers to catch up, I figure if you want to get involved in a live even you need to make the time available.

Using NPCs to clear out player-run gate camps is an awful idea. This goes entirely counter to the player-driven nature of the game. If CCP had done such a thing, the forums would be filled with lowsec and null sec players complaining about turds in the sandbox, theme-park-ification of EVE, and all the other evils that such an action represents.

It is not the responsibility of Live Events organisers and actors to hold the hands of people who want to be involved in the activity. It is only their responsibility to guide the activity along the storyline. Anyone who has had experience playing tabletop pen & paper role playing games will tell you: it is not the game/dungeon master's job to play the game for you.

The things I would change about the live event is to have even less organisation and leadership from CCP staff: they would only exist in game as actors suggesting where the players should be looking, and providing intel from Empire & CONCORD forces. If the players can't organise themselves for a lowsec & null sec excursion, it's not CCP's fault.

Ok, I am genuinely curious whether you believe that using CONCORD for protection againt null dwellers when operating in null is something legitiate?