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Probably the WORST event I've wasted my time on in my 10 years of EVE ...

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Trii Seo
Goonswarm Federation
#801 - 2013-11-09 21:36:54 UTC
Confirming Asbjrn is a very bad person.

That said, the announcement from CCP even said that it was likely to be dangerous and that there will be a retaliation.

Plus, we're not a third party. We were there for our serpentis bros. CFC + Serpentis = best friends forever <3

Proud pilot of the Imperium

Arek'Jaalan: Heliograph

Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
#802 - 2013-11-09 21:37:26 UTC
I had to LMAO of at this (Official EVE Comms as Twitter is now regarded as):

Erlendur ‏@erlendur wrote:
7h

. @RageRifter @Xtrah_ Communication is the key ingredient in any relationship, be it personal, business or gaming // @CCP_Falcon


Interesting that that should be posted in the middle of a player rage-storm after they CCPd 2-3000 of us\them.

My response:

Maximus Aerelius ‏@CEOMCMXD wrote:
now

@erlendur Interesting Tweet there. I wonder why @CCPGames are remaining so quiet about the rage that is going on right now then. #tweetfleet
Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
#803 - 2013-11-09 21:38:28 UTC
Trii Seo wrote:
Confirming Asbjrn is a very bad person.

That said, the announcement from CCP even said that it was likely to be dangerous and that there will be a retaliation.

Plus, we're not a third party. We were there for our serpentis bros. CFC + Serpentis = best friends forever <3


I heard that there were even Blue on Blue encounters from the Pirate Factions to their own supporters so you ain't that tight with them yo! Blink
Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
#804 - 2013-11-09 21:43:22 UTC
Maximus Aerelius wrote:
I had to LMAO of at this (Official EVE Comms as Twitter is now regarded as):

Erlendur ‏@erlendur wrote:
7h

. @RageRifter @Xtrah_ Communication is the key ingredient in any relationship, be it personal, business or gaming // @CCP_Falcon


Interesting that that should be posted in the middle of a player rage-storm after they CCPd 2-3000 of us\them.

My response:

Maximus Aerelius ‏@CEOMCMXD wrote:
now

@erlendur Interesting Tweet there. I wonder why @CCPGames are remaining so quiet about the rage that is going on right now then. #tweetfleet


On this point above:

If CCP are watching this thread I, personally, think it would be a good time to pass an update or what, if any actions, CCP are taking whether it be in addressing customer AKA players concerns or analysis of what happened or something to say that we are watching and we will be updating you with further information at -Date--Time-.

I'm an IT Engineer and there is nothing more frustrating than not hearing from 3rd Parties on outstanding issues and it has been some time since CCP Goliath posted saying "We're watching".

Just my thoughts on "Communication is the key ingredient in any relationship"
Trii Seo
Goonswarm Federation
#805 - 2013-11-09 22:03:13 UTC
Maximus Aerelius wrote:
Trii Seo wrote:
Confirming Asbjrn is a very bad person.

That said, the announcement from CCP even said that it was likely to be dangerous and that there will be a retaliation.

Plus, we're not a third party. We were there for our serpentis bros. CFC + Serpentis = best friends forever <3


I heard that there were even Blue on Blue encounters from the Pirate Factions to their own supporters so you ain't that tight with them yo! Blink


Hey, shooting someone and loving them isn't exactly mutually exclusive. "My little AHAC: Lasers are Magic".

Also, it's weekend. They're probably not at work atm, we'll hear from them on monday.

Proud pilot of the Imperium

Arek'Jaalan: Heliograph

Shock Fist
Blank-Space
Northern Coalition.
#806 - 2013-11-09 22:04:32 UTC
People had issues with an event in an MMORPG which in itself has a 100% chance to be affected by player standards of gaming, this isn't WoW where you have to duel people to get a fight, this is EvE online - people are gonna die, welcome to the game we love and play.

Of course, feel free to keep throwing (albeit quiet) tears around :sun:
Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
#807 - 2013-11-09 22:06:49 UTC
Trii Seo wrote:
Maximus Aerelius wrote:
Trii Seo wrote:
Confirming Asbjrn is a very bad person.

That said, the announcement from CCP even said that it was likely to be dangerous and that there will be a retaliation.

Plus, we're not a third party. We were there for our serpentis bros. CFC + Serpentis = best friends forever <3


I heard that there were even Blue on Blue encounters from the Pirate Factions to their own supporters so you ain't that tight with them yo! Blink


Hey, shooting someone and loving them isn't exactly mutually exclusive. "My little AHAC: Lasers are Magic".

Also, it's weekend. They're probably not at work atm, we'll hear from them on monday.


All very valid points. Have a great weekend and fly recklessly Blink
Asbjrn
The Executives
#808 - 2013-11-09 22:10:25 UTC
Trii Seo wrote:
Confirming Asbjrn is a very bad person.

That said, the announcement from CCP even said that it was likely to be dangerous and that there will be a retaliation.

Plus, we're not a third party. We were there for our serpentis bros. CFC + Serpentis = best friends forever <3

your not so bad yourself Blink
Asbjrn
The Executives
#809 - 2013-11-09 22:13:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Asbjrn
Maximus Aerelius wrote:
Trii Seo wrote:
Confirming Asbjrn is a very bad person.

That said, the announcement from CCP even said that it was likely to be dangerous and that there will be a retaliation.

Plus, we're not a third party. We were there for our serpentis bros. CFC + Serpentis = best friends forever <3


I heard that there were even Blue on Blue encounters from the Pirate Factions to their own supporters so you ain't that tight with them yo! Blink

i might admit serpentist and me is not so good friends becaus of all the vindicator bluprints i have stolen from them but for that i love them. and becaus of the vindy losses prises vil go up again om my bluprints Lol
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#810 - 2013-11-09 22:18:30 UTC
Trii Seo wrote:
Confirming Asbjrn is a very bad person.

That said, the announcement from CCP even said that it was likely to be dangerous and that there will be a retaliation.

Plus, we're not a third party. We were there for our serpentis bros. CFC + Serpentis = best friends forever <3


Since you have utterly failed at reading comprehension let me enlighten you as to the actual thrust of most of the 'high sec' complaints.

CCP told us where to stage, no further information until after the event had started. We were staged 20-40 jumps from the end destination (Sarum Prime people had to move about 40 overall). Then gave only intermediate destinations along the way with limited options of routes.
Fleets moving along those routes were typically in 10% TiDi. Individuals could obviously break out faster but moving in a coherent fleet that wasn't going to get ganked 1 by 1 meant TiDi.
CCP then started the 'event' well before any of the fleets from high sec had a chance of getting to their destinations, had the Empire flee from the field mere minutes after, & declared the event ended entirely before most fleets were even into null sec.

In contrast, the 'pirates' got staged one system from the destination, and local sov holders already had large forces in the doril region due to existing fighting.

Meaning that the 2000+ (I'd say 3000+ initially from what I saw) High sec players who were attempting to attend the event got denied by CCP's decision on starting & finishing the event before they could even get near the target system due to TiDi warps along a massive convoy route.
That is what the rage is about. It's not tears over loosing ships, every fleet I know of was advised they would loose ships, anyone who asked in Live Events before hand was told they would almost certainly be going to Low or Null by older hands at Live Events. But we expected the opportunity to at least participate in the event, not be denied simply because CCP couldn't be bothered to give us the time to get there when they had to know how long it would take us.
litle grasshopper
The Tebo Corp
#811 - 2013-11-09 22:18:52 UTC
in befor thread is closed!

also anyone that thinks they ca disjointedly wonder in to null sec solo regardless of ccp event or not needs a reality check, id be intrested to know how many fleeted up with their corp and their corps FC and attempted to make it there, I did, in a t1 cruiser and got a 3 bill kill on a pod, i have terrible skills but i was in an organised fleet , this is an MMO requireing interaction, nobody flying solo is gonna have fun at an event like this.
So if your used to sitting in your nice safe minning corp/mission running corp, not talking to anyone no this is gonna be terrible, you will attempt to put put over to the system exspecting ccp to keep you safe(it is after all a ccp run event so must be safe) and then your gonna warp in and shoot some red crosses and ........ yeah sorry i have no idea what you thought seriously re evaluate your game play.

CCP this wasnt a spectacular even but an awsome catalist to some of the best fun ive had in game IN A LOOOOONG TIME, thanks
Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
#812 - 2013-11-09 22:23:49 UTC
litle grasshopper wrote:
-Usual can't be arsed reading crap-post


And you really thing this thread is getting locked? Oh dear, I think you need to think before you type and not just crap-post whatever springs to mind. Go back and read a few of the more intentioned posts and you'll get the theme of this thread.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#813 - 2013-11-09 22:28:56 UTC
Maximus Aerelius wrote:
litle grasshopper wrote:
-Usual can't be arsed reading crap-post


And you really thing this thread is getting locked? Oh dear, I think you need to think before you type and not just crap-post whatever springs to mind. Go back and read a few of the more intentioned posts and you'll get the theme of this thread.

Like the one right above his for a start, or any of the hundreds of others that explain exactly the same thing.
Commissar Colt
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#814 - 2013-11-09 22:50:02 UTC
What a let down. At least with Caldari Prime something was accomplished. All this dead air from CCP is very discouraging.
Trii Seo
Goonswarm Federation
#815 - 2013-11-09 22:56:53 UTC
Asbjrn wrote:
Trii Seo wrote:
Confirming Asbjrn is a very bad person.

That said, the announcement from CCP even said that it was likely to be dangerous and that there will be a retaliation.

Plus, we're not a third party. We were there for our serpentis bros. CFC + Serpentis = best friends forever <3

your not so bad yourself Blink


Compared to you sir, I'm a ******* saint!

That said, I think I can see where this will go - CCP will announce the incompetence of fleet commanders as purposeful. The empires are bad for you: they tried to gather your help for a last, desperate push against an enemy they couldn't break themselves. They failed, big time - underestimating the capability and will of nullsec entities to defend their territories. Overestimating their ability to organize attacks.

It's pointless to put artificial borders between "roleplay event" and actual history that happened. It wasn't a bunch of griefers ruining an event for their sick amusement. Sure, rear ends of many people met the boot at muzzle velocity that night but... likely many of those who administered the smacking were on the receiving end many, many times.

A lot of that wasn't fair either - bombed off the field because FC didn't pay attention, slam into a bubble and get pipebombed without a chance to fight back, it's how things go. You trust a commander to lead you to victory and safety and sometimes he fails. So don't scream at CCP about not making this a themepark ride but an uphill walk in snow. Look at it from the perspective of history that was made that day. Victory or loss don't matter - it's all about fun.

There won't be another day like this. Whatever side you were on, you participated in a unique event that won't repeat itself. You helped shape the lore of the world while playing the game. The only people who really lost weren't those who died or didn't make it to the staging system - they were those who quit or didn't attend.

Think how awesome the fact is that you supported the faction you liked against the odds, struggling to reach the target against incompetence of your leaders and lack of information. If CCP intended to get you all there in one piece, they'd have teleported people or spawned an NPC titan with infinite stront and fuel to bridge everyone easily. They chose not to.

(Also dear CCP can we get "I supported the Serpentis... AND THEN - BETRAYAL!" t-shirts? Or at least something to commemorate the outcome of the event.)

Proud pilot of the Imperium

Arek'Jaalan: Heliograph

Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#816 - 2013-11-09 23:01:50 UTC
Except most people didn't take part in the lore.
They could have not turned up at all and it would have been exactly the same event.

Because most people only turned up after CCP declared the event over because CCP stuffed up big time.
Trii Seo
Goonswarm Federation
#817 - 2013-11-09 23:13:01 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Except most people didn't take part in the lore.
They could have not turned up at all and it would have been exactly the same event.

Because most people only turned up after CCP declared the event over because CCP stuffed up big time.


To be honest, if you even burned towards the destination trying to avoid the pirates and stop the Serpentis you were there.

Proud pilot of the Imperium

Arek'Jaalan: Heliograph

Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#818 - 2013-11-09 23:23:06 UTC
Trii Seo wrote:
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Except most people didn't take part in the lore.
They could have not turned up at all and it would have been exactly the same event.

Because most people only turned up after CCP declared the event over because CCP stuffed up big time.


To be honest, if you even burned towards the destination trying to avoid the pirates and stop the Serpentis you were there.

No, you weren't there. Not if you were moving a fleet together.
If you ran a fast cloaky into the system you made it sure.

But the fleets with their travelling TiDi coming with them didn't make it. The fleet I was in hadn't even left High Sec when CCP started the event in Null. It was declared over when we were five jumps out.
The alternative was to trickle feed gate camps if everyone travelled at their own best speed rather than at the slowest ships warp with a fleet warp then align to outbound gate after jumping.

Which defeats the point of having a fleet if you trickle in.

CCP quite simply stuffed up big time, and didn't plan worth a dang.
Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
#819 - 2013-11-09 23:39:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Maximus Aerelius
Trii Seo wrote:
Asbjrn wrote:
Trii Seo wrote:
Confirming Asbjrn is a very bad person.

That said, the announcement from CCP even said that it was likely to be dangerous and that there will be a retaliation.

Plus, we're not a third party. We were there for our serpentis bros. CFC + Serpentis = best friends forever <3

your not so bad yourself Blink


Compared to you sir, I'm a ******* saint!

That said, I think I can see where this will go - CCP will announce the incompetence of fleet commanders as purposeful. The empires are bad for you: they tried to gather your help for a last, desperate push against an enemy they couldn't break themselves. They failed, big time - underestimating the capability and will of nullsec entities to defend their territories. Overestimating their ability to organize attacks.

It's pointless to put artificial borders between "roleplay event" and actual history that happened. It wasn't a bunch of griefers ruining an event for their sick amusement. Sure, rear ends of many people met the boot at muzzle velocity that night but... likely many of those who administered the smacking were on the receiving end many, many times.

A lot of that wasn't fair either - bombed off the field because FC didn't pay attention, slam into a bubble and get pipebombed without a chance to fight back, it's how things go. You trust a commander to lead you to victory and safety and sometimes he fails. So don't scream at CCP about not making this a themepark ride but an uphill walk in snow. Look at it from the perspective of history that was made that day. Victory or loss don't matter - it's all about fun.

There won't be another day like this. Whatever side you were on, you participated in a unique event that won't repeat itself. You helped shape the lore of the world while playing the game. The only people who really lost weren't those who died or didn't make it to the staging system - they were those who quit or didn't attend.

Think how awesome the fact is that you supported the faction you liked against the odds, struggling to reach the target against incompetence of your leaders and lack of information. If CCP intended to get you all there in one piece, they'd have teleported people or spawned an NPC titan with infinite stront and fuel to bridge everyone easily. They chose not to.

(Also dear CCP can we get "I supported the Serpentis... AND THEN - BETRAYAL!" t-shirts? Or at least something to commemorate the outcome of the event.)


While I appreciate what you are saying from an IG perspective the fact of the matter is that this didn't just affect IG Characters this affected real people in their real lives. Yes, "EVE is real" and all that but you know as well as I do that this was a disaster.

I personally put in time of work due to CCP's propaganda regarding this event. That was my choice, correct, and had it been the event it was advertised to be for all involved then I would as previously stated been bragging to all and sundry of how awesome EVE Online is and that I was there I was part of something that took EVE forward (pre-determined outcome assured) and that I had fun doing it.

Instead of the above, my Corp Mate logged for the night, I spent 4 hours in TiDi hell and I was docked in Sarum Prime the night before so it wasn't even getting to the 1st staging system where my TiDi hell started. En-route info was filtered through from the 3 channels we had open "Intergalatic Summit", "Live Events" and "The Summit" along with Local, Fleet etc and OFC Twitter. 3 jumps out from Shedoo and it was all over according to the channels of which nothing much was being pushed through.

So while I appreciate that IG lore and the propaganda machine will spin this fantastically it makes no matter to the fact that CCP abused it's player base of paying customers for what would appear to be 'Office Entertainment' and failed to deliver a LIVE Event and the preparation required to host it. Therefore it should apologise to those people who did attend to try and add content and that changed their actual lives to enable this.

EDIT:

Oh and I was burning as fast as possible under 10% TiDi in a Drake with my fleet strung out over 4/5 systems I believe from around 1900hrs. Didn't even get to our RV in Shedoo to form up and head in before it was declared over.
Edam Neadenil
Bax Corporation
#820 - 2013-11-09 23:39:22 UTC
Trii Seo wrote:
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Except most people didn't take part in the lore.
They could have not turned up at all and it would have been exactly the same event.

Because most people only turned up after CCP declared the event over because CCP stuffed up big time.


To be honest, if you even burned towards the destination trying to avoid the pirates and stop the Serpentis you were there.




No ... quite a few people in my fleet logged out and went and got their null alts because they realised the whole exercise was idiotic and they would never get there in time with the highsec fleets.

I personally logged out and went to work as I realised the thing was going to be a waste of one of my few available days off.

I gathered later the fleet never made it to the event so my decision was a good one.