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Probably the WORST event I've wasted my time on in my 10 years of EVE ...

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Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
#781 - 2013-11-09 20:23:03 UTC
Trii Seo wrote:
From what I've gathered in this thread, it seems a lot of people expected a rigged event in safe space where they hold back red crosses and achieve the objective easily.

It didn't happen.

It seems a lot of "I know there's danger out there but it doesn't affect me" bubbles were shattered in this event.


Then you have gathered nothing and read very little it seems. Try RTFS and then adding a comment.

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Trii Seo
Goonswarm Federation
#782 - 2013-11-09 20:26:42 UTC
Well, if they weren't expecting a cakewalk and were expecting to die, why the massive amounts of tears?

Proud pilot of the Imperium

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Shock Fist
Blank-Space
Northern Coalition.
#783 - 2013-11-09 20:27:35 UTC
Alice Ituin wrote:
Not sure what CCP intended with this live event.
I mean if you assemble a fleet of random highsec players who expect some sort of storyline live event thingy and then let them jump into a nullsec alliance gatecamp it's pretty obvious what the outcome will be.
The only thing this event managed to achieve is scaring off more players from ever entering low/nullsec and pimping some nullbear's killboards.


And you clearly intended to boost your post count by spamming the exact same thing as around 90 other people on this same thread, thus making the point your trying to make even more irrelevant then it was to start with.

Stop crying about it, and be happy that high sec wasn't the only thing to benefit from an event for once.
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#784 - 2013-11-09 20:30:01 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
CCP Goliath wrote:
Just dropping in to say thanks for giving us this feedback. We haven't had time to go through it all yet, but we will be doing so as a team and taking a lot of points on board to shape our work in the future. We will also be explaining some things to clear up some misunderstandings we have been noticing. Thanks for your time and patience.


I would seriously consider reimbursing some ships. Just saying. What?


Ahaha no.
Asbjrn
The Executives
#785 - 2013-11-09 20:32:45 UTC
mining runner wrote:
Id like to thanks CCP for an awesome and very educational (for some) event.

After reading about the High sec event a few days earlier, i moved an alt account to sarum prime in order to join in the fun, but i awoke on the day to read about our fleet also heading into the fray. I decided to attend both ends of the event just to compare.

Now i managed to move both my main through null sec with the EXE fleet AND an alt in high sec, and arrived at the destination with both char. Yes, there was TIDI, yes there was spam and orders from CCP were hard to find amongst that spam. BUT NOT IMPOSSIBLE. Chat bars also scroll up you know? you can also open multiple at once, giving you more chance of catching the orders. You could also ask your fellow players ?

This is EVE online, or are you forgetting that. Your anger at CCP if misdirected, they just provide the sandbox, its the players that don't fully understand the space they live in causing the problems. Try forming a leadership structure, try working together. Be more organized in "highsec" as an entity rather than an area to endlessly run LVL4's or incursions in relative safety. Hell, your gonna have to soon to defend POCO's, because if you don't, null sec alliance's will own them all.

We have multiple 250 man fleets, full of TIDI, full of spam, fighting on a regular basis. The way around this is being organized and following orders. Not complaining on the forums.


I had great fun, will see you guys at the next event.


Best post so far!!!!
Asbjrn
The Executives
#786 - 2013-11-09 20:38:16 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
CCP Goliath wrote:
Just dropping in to say thanks for giving us this feedback. We haven't had time to go through it all yet, but we will be doing so as a team and taking a lot of points on board to shape our work in the future. We will also be explaining some things to clear up some misunderstandings we have been noticing. Thanks for your time and patience.


I would seriously consider reimbursing some ships. Just saying. What?


Ahaha no.

yup we lost 1 rupture! reinburse ccp
Deunan Tenephais
#787 - 2013-11-09 20:41:34 UTC
Trii Seo wrote:
Well, if they weren't expecting a cakewalk and were expecting to die, why the massive amounts of tears?

Because they were probably expecting dying in a fight against NPCs and PCC maned ships, not against a third party fleet.

Had they realized that they would have to fight against a null fleet, then they probably would have done things differently.
Perhaps not much better, admittedly, but at least they would have tried; here they were expecting a somewhat PvE event and ended in a PvP fight, they were more than likely ill-prepared.

What would be interesting to know is how many would have shown to the event and in what set-up if it was all about going against null seccers from the very start...
Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
#788 - 2013-11-09 20:42:18 UTC
Trii Seo wrote:
There was RP on the empire side, it just probably got drowned in spam.


So you agree that it was bad management and organisation then? It would've been oh so hard for CCP to create a Chat Channel and gag everyone other than FC's\CCP Devs (looks at SiSi testing channels)?

Nope I didn't think so this "Players Spammed the Content" point is moot.

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Asbjrn
The Executives
#789 - 2013-11-09 20:47:12 UTC
Deunan Tenephais wrote:
Trii Seo wrote:
Well, if they weren't expecting a cakewalk and were expecting to die, why the massive amounts of tears?

Because they were probably expecting dying in a fight against NPCs and PCC maned ships, not against a third party fleet.

Had they realized that they would have to fight against a null fleet, then they probably would have done things differently.
Perhaps not much better, admittedly, but at least they would have tried; here they were expecting a somewhat PvE event and ended in a PvP fight, they were more than likely ill-prepared.

What would be interesting to know is how many would have shown to the event and in what set-up if it was all about going against null seccers from the very start...

PVE event in NBSI space sounds like a good planBig smile
Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
#790 - 2013-11-09 20:55:51 UTC
Trii Seo wrote:
Well, if they weren't expecting a cakewalk and were expecting to die, why the massive amounts of tears?


Not repeating for what so many have posted before and my OP is on Page 3 (clearly you didn't read past the title). Quite clearly some can post faster than they can read.

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Octoven
Stellar Production
#791 - 2013-11-09 20:57:16 UTC
Asbjrn wrote:
mining runner wrote:
Id like to thanks CCP for an awesome and very educational (for some) event.

After reading about the High sec event a few days earlier, i moved an alt account to sarum prime in order to join in the fun, but i awoke on the day to read about our fleet also heading into the fray. I decided to attend both ends of the event just to compare.

Now i managed to move both my main through null sec with the EXE fleet AND an alt in high sec, and arrived at the destination with both char. Yes, there was TIDI, yes there was spam and orders from CCP were hard to find amongst that spam. BUT NOT IMPOSSIBLE. Chat bars also scroll up you know? you can also open multiple at once, giving you more chance of catching the orders. You could also ask your fellow players ?

This is EVE online, or are you forgetting that. Your anger at CCP if misdirected, they just provide the sandbox, its the players that don't fully understand the space they live in causing the problems. Try forming a leadership structure, try working together. Be more organized in "highsec" as an entity rather than an area to endlessly run LVL4's or incursions in relative safety. Hell, your gonna have to soon to defend POCO's, because if you don't, null sec alliance's will own them all.

We have multiple 250 man fleets, full of TIDI, full of spam, fighting on a regular basis. The way around this is being organized and following orders. Not complaining on the forums.


I had great fun, will see you guys at the next event.


Best post so far!!!!


I agree, I think many can learn from such a wise statement.
Shock Fist
Blank-Space
Northern Coalition.
#792 - 2013-11-09 20:59:43 UTC
Maximus Aerelius wrote:
Trii Seo wrote:
Well, if they weren't expecting a cakewalk and were expecting to die, why the massive amounts of tears?


Not repeating for what so many have posted before and my OP is on Page 3 (clearly you didn't read past the title). Quite clearly some can post faster than they can read.


By taking the continuous high-ground your actually being a humongous hypocrite, because your quite happy to spam negative posts without really considering the possibility of a positive view.

The point was that people expected to get a fight, they did, it wasn't red crosses or ISD's which killed them, but the same result.
Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
#793 - 2013-11-09 21:04:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Maximus Aerelius
Deunan Tenephais wrote:
Trii Seo wrote:
Well, if they weren't expecting a cakewalk and were expecting to die, why the massive amounts of tears?

Because they were probably expecting dying in a fight against NPCs and PCC maned ships, not against a third party fleet.

Had they realized that they would have to fight against a null fleet, then they probably would have done things differently.
Perhaps not much better, admittedly, but at least they would have tried; here they were expecting a somewhat PvE event and ended in a PvP fight, they were more than likely ill-prepared.

What would be interesting to know is how many would have shown to the event and in what set-up if it was all about going against null seccers from the very start...


I would have and did thinking "I know where this is headed". I was in a blank JC, "Loss Fit" ship and willing and ready to die for the lore and for the content along with the opportunity to see all 4 Empire Navies come together in one place and actually see something never before seen (AFAIK and what EVE News was saying).

I fully expected to die in a ball of fire once the final destinations were declared...at the hands of the "Null Warriors" and I wouldn't have shed a tear, I would've posted GF, awesome event on the forums and bragged to my friends and work colleagues (who I'd been whittering on to about this whole event and even took 1.5 hours off work to help people get to) and I could say "I was there".

Now I'm ashamed that I may have helped people experience this "event"**, disappointed that a company I have watched grow from it's earliest time do something that at face level is so repugnant. I feel betrayed not only as a paying customer but as person in that I trusted a company so much and they tore it up and spat in my face.

** This was my tweet on reading the news that fateful morning:

Maximus Aerelius ‏@CEOMCMXD

Factions call hourly, the universe once in a lifetime. Today we fight for New Eden for on this day WE ARE ONE!!!" #tweetfleet #eveonline

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Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
#794 - 2013-11-09 21:08:51 UTC
Shock Fist wrote:
Maximus Aerelius wrote:
Trii Seo wrote:
Well, if they weren't expecting a cakewalk and were expecting to die, why the massive amounts of tears?


Not repeating for what so many have posted before and my OP is on Page 3 (clearly you didn't read past the title). Quite clearly some can post faster than they can read.


By taking the continuous high-ground your actually being a humongous hypocrite, because your quite happy to spam negative posts without really considering the possibility of a positive view.

The point was that people expected to get a fight, they did, it wasn't red crosses or ISD's which killed them, but the same result.


I'm not trying to be but when my OP is on Page 3 you know, it stands. As I've posted above some of us didn't even get to be in the "meat grinder" or be a "lamb to the slaughter". It was declared over when I was still in TiDi in Hi-Sec moving to the 3rd staging point I think it was now and I was in Sarum Prime the night before. I moved to Ihal after disconnect, I got in fleet and we got underway...

I WANTED to lose that damn Drake for the cause, for New Eden, for the lore and for the content it would be part of as it's been sat in my hanger for so long now...

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Asbjrn
The Executives
#795 - 2013-11-09 21:11:39 UTC
Maximus Aerelius wrote:
Shock Fist wrote:
Maximus Aerelius wrote:
Trii Seo wrote:
Well, if they weren't expecting a cakewalk and were expecting to die, why the massive amounts of tears?


Not repeating for what so many have posted before and my OP is on Page 3 (clearly you didn't read past the title). Quite clearly some can post faster than they can read.


By taking the continuous high-ground your actually being a humongous hypocrite, because your quite happy to spam negative posts without really considering the possibility of a positive view.

The point was that people expected to get a fight, they did, it wasn't red crosses or ISD's which killed them, but the same result.


I'm not trying to be but when my OP is on Page 3 you know, it stands. As I've posted above some of us didn't even get to be in the "meat grinder" or be a "lamb to the slaughter". It was declared over when I was still in TiDi in Hi-Sec moving to the 3rd staging point I think it was now and I was in Sarum Prime the night before. I moved to Ihal after disconnect, I got in fleet and we got underway...

I WANTED to lose that damn Drake for the cause, for New Eden, for the lore and for the content it would be part of as it's been sat in my hanger for so long now...

u can still loose it its not to late
Killerjock
Von Neumann Industries
#796 - 2013-11-09 21:12:19 UTC
Octoven wrote:
Knowing where you are going is key to ANY event not just this one...actually that is a real life concept. If you couldnt be bothered to learn what is where, what do you want CCP to do about it?


Nothing, my complaint has been stated so many times it's not even funny, if you want to pretend you didn't here, be my guest. My concern is not with where the event was.

But to answer your question, I was told I was going to null. It's like telling you you're going to china. Then while you're parachuting down from the plane you're told you're going to land in a backwater place whose name you can't pronounce. You do your research at that point, right? Roll

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Indeed you made the choice to follow along, you could have easily backed out if you were indeed as ignorant of the details as you claim to have been.


Why? The evening was gone and I had already traveled 15 jumps here and there. Sure as hell if I got back with that tidi I couldn't have played eve. So I've chosen to tag along what's it to you?
I'm not complaining about the trap itself but about the long and UNNECESSARY trip we were subjected to. The choice was not being there or traveling those 20 sectors at THAT time and under THOSE circumstances. Which made a trap more than obvious, by the way.
Your point seem to be "then don't participate" - thanks, but that doesn't make the problem go away.

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Octoven wrote:
Fast transportation was NEVER intended to be the way to get there. It was a journey to get there, you opposition you would face was kind of the point of it. Empires vs Pirates, we infiltrate their space and take down a facility...this means fighting your way through opposing forces to reach your goal...something that the majority of people STILL after the event is over fail to understand.


Nice. Then why was the vast majority of the "force" still traveling when the event was over? Where were the Empires who started this while we were "fighting our way"? I didn't see no fracking CCP ship anywhere - if I had, I would've followed suit with the fleet instead of scouting half sinq laison under heavy tidi to figure out what we were supposed to do.
And to be honest, if I had I would've gone home with the feeling that I participated in an event. Which is what was sorely lacking.
Your explanation just shows more incompetent behaviour.

Quote:
Plus your decision here on fast transport is somewhat irrelevant because you had the choice to either fight for the pirates or fight for empires. Instead of taking advantage of the fact null sec had home field advantage on movement you whine about it. Don't blame CCP you made the wrong choice.


I don't have a nullsec alt. I don't have strong ties to a nullsec alliance that I can leverage. Staging in null, assuming I could get there without being forced out by the sov holders, would've been absurd.
But again to follow your line of reasonment, there was a "good" choice and a "bad" choice - those 2000 who staged in hisec were all idiots that made the wrong choice, willingly. The whole point of the event was to show hisec players that be in hisec is stupid and they should actually move to null.
So if we were "smarter" there wouldn't have been a hisec force but just nullseccers doing fish in a barrel against CCP.

That should make CCP or the event look better?

Quote:
If you knew in advance you would die horribly and knew you could do it without hours of tidi and other people...why in the **** did you still go? Im sorry but I cant respect someone who knows 100% they will lose, still goes with it anyway, loses, and then crys about it. Grow the **** up and be adult enough to admit defeat...move on.


After 40 pages and all the above you still think we're complaining about the losses? Or the fact we didn't win a battle against staged and organized veteran forces with better quality and quantity, on their turf and after they had hours to prepare?

Sometimes winning or losing isn't the point - besides, MY death does not make either win or lose certain. I reckoned there was a chance I would get home with my ship, albeit minimal, and I reckoned whether or not I did there would be a fight and some fun. The fact we were probably going to "lose" the event was irrelevant.
The first time you take a rifter in losec the chances are about the same - you don't respect those who start pvping because they know they will probably lose?

And I'm not crying, very few here are crying. We're just trying to argument with people that either act or are too stupid too read, too inane to argument, and too stuck up with their attitude to consider they might not be three meters above everyone else.
Guess what? all the **** about moar tears - that's just pathetic.

I'm telling you that while losing my ship was indeed my fault, that has no relevance to the topic at hand.
What wasn't my fault was being led to slowboat 23 jumps to an event that - for us - never happened, when at least 10 of those jumps were completely unnecessary.

Now tell me all about when you go to war in nullsec you prepare operations by slowboating a big fleet 23 jumps into hostile territory without intel. And see if anyone believes you.
I'm quite sure the goons where 23 jumps from 6VDT when they staged their attack. They certainly advertised the precise hour of their trip, and the route, and moved in a small trickle of ships. Eh?
I wonder how THAT battle would've gone if that were the case.

Frankly, this has gone beyond old - I'm not gonna spend any more time trying to go through a wall of "I did not hear that" - no valid point has been made by the "HTFU" people regarding the trip or the event.
Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
#797 - 2013-11-09 21:20:27 UTC
Asbjrn wrote:
u can still loose it its not to late


You ebil piwate Pirate! Big smile. I'll save it and lose it for something more worthwhile than just losing it for losing it's sake. I appreciate the offer if it was indeed that though.

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Deunan Tenephais
#798 - 2013-11-09 21:28:03 UTC
Asbjrn wrote:
PVE event in NBSI space sounds like a good planBig smile

Do you really know what most hiseccers know about null space ?
Close to nothing.

All of them know there are PvP players who like fighting and podding, most know that the Goons exist (but not much more), only a fraction fully understand the sov system, very few know who Mittani is and close to no one is aware of the last sov dramas of null-sec.
Many don't even know that Asakai took place or the thing about CCP giving away free stuff to the lottery guys.

Of course I'm not talking about nullseccers' alts in highsec or forum hungry people.
Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
#799 - 2013-11-09 21:30:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Maximus Aerelius
Killerjock wrote:
1) Now tell me all about when you go to war in nullsec you prepare operations by slowboating a big fleet 23 jumps into hostile territory without intel.

2) Frankly, this has gone beyond old - I'm not gonna spend any more time trying to go through a wall of "I did not hear that" - no valid point has been made by the "HTFU" people regarding the trip or the event.


On point 1) You forgot to mention not telling people in good time where to go or to have no established communications channels on which to broadcast. Now let's see you Nullers do what you do with those circumstances.

On point 2) I too am getting tired of the HTFU, Welcome to PVP\Null\Other BS.

This isn't about losing anything IG or getting free stuff for 99% of us so if you can't contribute in a positive manner than please move along or, in your own language, GTFO!.

We understand you loved the easy kills for your "1337 skillz" AKA Fish in a Barrel but read a bit further behind that and you'll see the issue. I wonder how many of you would be saying the same if the situations had been reversed? For instance if you lost Sov because you couldn't form an effective fleet because CCP denied you the ability to do so by glitching Titan Bridges and subjecting you to 10% TiDi while the "attacking" side were hammering everything you had.

A bit of a different look at things.

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Shock Fist
Blank-Space
Northern Coalition.
#800 - 2013-11-09 21:31:17 UTC
Deunan Tenephais wrote:
Asbjrn wrote:
PVE event in NBSI space sounds like a good planBig smile

Do you really know what most hiseccers know about null space ?
Close to nothing.

All of them know there are PvP players who like fighting and podding, most know that the Goons exist (but not much more), only a fraction fully understand the sov system, very few know who Mittani is and close to no one is aware of the last sov dramas of null-sec.
Many don't even know that Asakai took place or the thing about CCP giving away free stuff to the lottery guys.

Of course I'm not talking about nullseccers' alts in highsec or forum hungry people.


Quite frankly, that's a "Them" problem, not a CCP or "Us" problem.