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Probably the WORST event I've wasted my time on in my 10 years of EVE ...

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Trii Seo
Goonswarm Federation
#721 - 2013-11-09 16:54:02 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
So basically, while CCP fleet leaders were abandoning players in Doril, a bunch more CCP employee were actually manning Vindicator's fighting for fun in the actual systems where the events were taking place......

Just wanted to confirm that.


Fleet leaders were also "having fun" in 8V- in Syndicate, if by "fun" you mean "being primary and getting podded off the field in the opening minutes".

Oh and we killed CCP Vindicators too ;)

(Cheapskate CCP, tsk tsk... not even Shadow webs or magstabs! But I liked their approach of nano-shield pure gank vindis, those things were built to hurt.)

I think a lot of people were expecting CCP to hold their hand and guide them safely through nullsec into themeparky event land :)

Proud pilot of the Imperium

Arek'Jaalan: Heliograph
Killerjock
Von Neumann Industries
#722 - 2013-11-09 17:18:08 UTC
Octoven wrote:
Just the same, if CCP had sent the message ingame in Sarum local to move to ihal...1200 people would all be moving at the same ******* time triggering tidi in every system they went through for 23 jumps. However, by releasing it to twitter and a small group of viewers, it allowed some to trickle out, once enroute, they forward the message to another group and so on and so forth. Only it didnt work as intended because a bunch of idiots decided to post in sarum local AND the events channel the twitter link and the message...at which point what remaining people decided to ALL move at once. Guess what happened? ******* TiDi for 23 jumps. Disclosing of information to move a mass of people needs to be slowly distributed, posting it on twitter was supposed to do that. Had no one said it in every ******* channel it would have worked too. Alas the human notion is to spread rumors as we hear them.


Ah i Got it, we should've trickled, but we moved all together. Only we didn't - I never was in a system over 130 people except meves and stacmon.
But if we didn't go together and we trickled, CCP devious plan was succesfful! we had no tidi! Nah, we had tidi. With 130 people in local.
And when we finally came to the funnel, the losec and nullsec people where there - because they did not have to travel 23 jumps.

They knew where we would go; they knew the exact time. They are organized by definition. So they mounted a fleet and bridged or cynoed there from staging, bubbled to their heart content, and got bored for about one hour till the first of us actually "trickled" there. How long does it take a RAZOR fleet to jump to a known system near staging once you know in advance there's gonna be an op? Once the fleet is formed, I'd be surprised if it took more than 15 minutes. Let's say half an hour.
You still have another 10-15 minutes to get bored before a fleet of 200 can slowboat 23 jumps to there - especially if the last 8 jumps are in hostile territory.

So even without TIDI, we would've been thrown to a meatgrinder. Even without tidi, "trickling" people would just make then obvious targets. With TIDI, kitchen sink fleets, and trickling.... I don't have to say it - you've seen it.

So, simply put, I do not believe that you actually say this things and believe them. You're obviously playing oblivious on purpose. TO not figure this out before... it's bad enough. To claim you didn't after it's been explained so long is unwillingness to argument.
Killerjock
Von Neumann Industries
#723 - 2013-11-09 17:24:38 UTC
Asbjrn wrote:
Can anyone from the pissed off point of view please post what they did expect to happen in nullsec ?
no bullshit just want to know


You're missing the point. In nullsec, we expected to die. To fight and die, actually, at a live event target system.

We expected also to actually get there. Of course, once you've jump-cloned, grabbed the cheap ship, flown to a freaking system, got into a fleet and waited half an hour... you're not going home. You know it's gonne be a big **** up but the evening is gone, you might as well have some fun. See the pretty sight before or while razor or whomever pods you.

What I personally did not expect was to travel 10 hisec systems to get to the real staging point, which was 2 systems out from where I started when flying to meves.
What I did not expect was not to have any information from CCP - I was in meves at 18.33 - never saw ONE line from CCP representative. Only people spreading rumors and an endless chat spam.
Trii Seo
Goonswarm Federation
#724 - 2013-11-09 17:28:04 UTC
You know, then maybe instead of crying CCP you could draw some conclusions and learn? Like "Get organized" "Get your own FCs"?

It's hard to blame the devs for your own lack of preparation.

Proud pilot of the Imperium

Arek'Jaalan: Heliograph
mining runner
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#725 - 2013-11-09 17:28:29 UTC
Id like to thanks CCP for an awesome and very educational (for some) event.

After reading about the High sec event a few days earlier, i moved an alt account to sarum prime in order to join in the fun, but i awoke on the day to read about our fleet also heading into the fray. I decided to attend both ends of the event just to compare.

Now i managed to move both my main through null sec with the EXE fleet AND an alt in high sec, and arrived at the destination with both char. Yes, there was TIDI, yes there was spam and orders from CCP were hard to find amongst that spam. BUT NOT IMPOSSIBLE. Chat bars also scroll up you know? you can also open multiple at once, giving you more chance of catching the orders. You could also ask your fellow players ?

This is EVE online, or are you forgetting that. Your anger at CCP if misdirected, they just provide the sandbox, its the players that don't fully understand the space they live in causing the problems. Try forming a leadership structure, try working together. Be more organized in "highsec" as an entity rather than an area to endlessly run LVL4's or incursions in relative safety. Hell, your gonna have to soon to defend POCO's, because if you don't, null sec alliance's will own them all.

We have multiple 250 man fleets, full of TIDI, full of spam, fighting on a regular basis. The way around this is being organized and following orders. Not complaining on the forums.


I had great fun, will see you guys at the next event.
Asbjrn
The Executives
#726 - 2013-11-09 17:29:36 UTC
Killerjock wrote:
Asbjrn wrote:
Can anyone from the pissed off point of view please post what they did expect to happen in nullsec ?
no bullshit just want to know


You're missing the point. In nullsec, we expected to die. To fight and die, actually, at a live event target system.

We expected also to actually get there. Of course, once you've jump-cloned, grabbed the cheap ship, flown to a freaking system, got into a fleet and waited half an hour... you're not going home. You know it's gonne be a big **** up but the evening is gone, you might as well have some fun. See the pretty sight before or while razor or whomever pods you.

What I personally did not expect was to travel 10 hisec systems to get to the real staging point, which was 2 systems out from where I started when flying to meves.
What I did not expect was not to have any information from CCP - I was in meves at 18.33 - never saw ONE line from CCP representative. Only people spreading rumors and an endless chat spam.



Anyone else?
Killerjock
Von Neumann Industries
#727 - 2013-11-09 17:32:19 UTC
Asbjrn wrote:
Anyone else?


You know, we've been saying these things for 37 pages. Why don't you go read some of that? Would be nicer than ask everyone to indulge you and repeat the obvious once again.
Asbjrn
The Executives
#728 - 2013-11-09 17:36:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Asbjrn
Killerjock wrote:
Asbjrn wrote:
Anyone else?


You know, we've been saying these things for 37 pages. Why don't you go read some of that? Would be nicer than ask everyone to indulge you and repeat the obvious once again.


Mr did i ask your expectasions only. are u the only one on this forum. if so i let u have YOUR forum in peace. i wanted a idea of what they did expect. not rage and unsubscribing acounts. if u got a problem with that im sorry on your behalf
Eisenhornx
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#729 - 2013-11-09 17:38:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Eisenhornx
Trii Seo wrote:
You know, then maybe instead of crying CCP you could draw some conclusions and learn? Like "Get organized" "Get your own FCs"?

It's hard to blame the devs for your own lack of preparation.


That is a funny statement, this is hisec and the fleets are pure kitchen sink. I was in a fleet with 250 members and a decent FC, this is way more than you could expect from carebears. The issue is still the event and not the players in the event...
Killerjock
Von Neumann Industries
#730 - 2013-11-09 17:40:58 UTC
Asbjrn wrote:
Killerjock wrote:
Asbjrn wrote:
Anyone else?


You know, we've been saying these things for 37 pages. Why don't you go read some of that? Would be nicer than ask everyone to indulge you and repeat the obvious once again.


Mr did i ask your expectasions only. are u the only one on this forum. if so i let u have YOUR forum in peace. i wanted a idea of what they did expect. not rage and unsubscribing acounts. if u got a problem with that im sorry on your behalf


LOL. Don't patronize me, chances are I'm older than you - and certainly no less aggressive with words.

The information you look for is all in the thread; I'm just sorry I answered you out of courtesy before knowing what an presumptuos person you are. Have fun.
Asbjrn
The Executives
#731 - 2013-11-09 17:47:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Asbjrn
Killerjock wrote:
Asbjrn wrote:
Killerjock wrote:
Asbjrn wrote:
Anyone else?


You know, we've been saying these things for 37 pages. Why don't you go read some of that? Would be nicer than ask everyone to indulge you and repeat the obvious once again.


Mr did i ask your expectasions only. are u the only one on this forum. if so i let u have YOUR forum in peace. i wanted a idea of what they did expect. not rage and unsubscribing acounts. if u got a problem with that im sorry on your behalf


LOL. Don't patronize me, chances are I'm older than you - and certainly no less aggressive with words.

The information you look for is all in the thread; I'm just sorry I answered you out of courtesy before knowing what an presumptuos person you are. Have fun.


I do have funn every single day. i dont get mad at forums i started reading the 30 pages but it turned in to kindergarden materials so i asked a simple question. and if u played sins 2010 and u are probably older than me so what. was that the question?. wel have funn but for OTHER than old mature "Killerjock" same question What was actualy expected?
Trii Seo
Goonswarm Federation
#732 - 2013-11-09 17:57:58 UTC
Eisenhornx wrote:
Trii Seo wrote:
You know, then maybe instead of crying CCP you could draw some conclusions and learn? Like "Get organized" "Get your own FCs"?

It's hard to blame the devs for your own lack of preparation.


That is a funny statement, this is hisec and the fleets are pure kitchen sink. I was in a fleet with 250 members and a decent FC, this is way more than you could expect from carebears. The issue is still the event and not the players in the event...


So what, should they have organized it in hisec space, gave carebears invulnerability mode and barricade the gates so that ebil piwates can't barge in to ruin the rollercoaster ride?

Proud pilot of the Imperium

Arek'Jaalan: Heliograph
Eisenhornx
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#733 - 2013-11-09 17:57:59 UTC
Asbjrn wrote:
Killerjock wrote:
Asbjrn wrote:
Killerjock wrote:
Asbjrn wrote:
Anyone else?


You know, we've been saying these things for 37 pages. Why don't you go read some of that? Would be nicer than ask everyone to indulge you and repeat the obvious once again.


Mr did i ask your expectasions only. are u the only one on this forum. if so i let u have YOUR forum in peace. i wanted a idea of what they did expect. not rage and unsubscribing acounts. if u got a problem with that im sorry on your behalf


LOL. Don't patronize me, chances are I'm older than you - and certainly no less aggressive with words.

The information you look for is all in the thread; I'm just sorry I answered you out of courtesy before knowing what an presumptuos person you are. Have fun.


I do have funn every single day. i dont get mad at forums i started reading the 30 pages but it turned in to kindergarden materials so i asked a simple question. and if u played sins 2010 and u are probably older than me so what. was that the question?. wel have funn but for OTHER than old mature "Killerjock" same question What was actualy expected?


I am not sure if English is your first language, but looking at your spelling and grammar I hope you will understand some of what my response is...

I personally was looking for some interesting RPG elements to this game, as this is the real reason for "Live Events". The lack of what i was looking for was not what I expected, but now I know what to expect in the future.

If the purpose of your original question of "what did you expect?" was an actual intellectual query than there is your answer, but if not I do not have an answer for you.
Eisenhornx
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#734 - 2013-11-09 18:02:52 UTC
Trii Seo wrote:
Eisenhornx wrote:
Trii Seo wrote:
You know, then maybe instead of crying CCP you could draw some conclusions and learn? Like "Get organized" "Get your own FCs"?

It's hard to blame the devs for your own lack of preparation.


That is a funny statement, this is hisec and the fleets are pure kitchen sink. I was in a fleet with 250 members and a decent FC, this is way more than you could expect from carebears. The issue is still the event and not the players in the event...


So what, should they have organized it in hisec space, gave carebears invulnerability mode and barricade the gates so that ebil piwates can't barge in to ruin the rollercoaster ride?


lol, no I do not think that at all. I would hope you "ebil piwates" would have some balls and crash a carebear live event in either lowsec or hisec, but instead you were served a smorgasbord of tasty free kills and not to any actual effort on your part. The use of pirate on your part suggest you went against the natural law of the area, but since there is no law in null you really can't call yourselves true pirates, just pilots that need to be fed instead of feeding yourselves and this is what happened in this event...
Trii Seo
Goonswarm Federation
#735 - 2013-11-09 18:07:57 UTC
I'm detecting vast quantities of rear pain. Sensors cannot handle this magnitude, please advise~

Well, to start there was plenty of RP elements involved. The RP goes: Empires tried to stop Serpentis activities in Outer Regions. Serpentis were aided by Outer Region inhabitants and held the empire forces back, delivering some righteous smackin' in the process. In fact, smackin' so hard it was heard by crying pods all the way back to trade hubs.

So how do you think it should've gone down then? What's the magical solution that would've made it better?

Proud pilot of the Imperium

Arek'Jaalan: Heliograph
Asbjrn
The Executives
#736 - 2013-11-09 18:09:52 UTC
About langage yes you are right. and you did get my question. but i wanted more that 2 Knowital`s tears that is the forum`s role. and if u can see somone else is not having English as first language or not if that is al you can come up with as an insult i do appologise. Thanks for the effort but its not enough
Octoven
Stellar Production
#737 - 2013-11-09 18:11:28 UTC
Killerjock wrote:
Octoven wrote:
Just the same, if CCP had sent the message ingame in Sarum local to move to ihal...1200 people would all be moving at the same ******* time triggering tidi in every system they went through for 23 jumps. However, by releasing it to twitter and a small group of viewers, it allowed some to trickle out, once enroute, they forward the message to another group and so on and so forth. Only it didnt work as intended because a bunch of idiots decided to post in sarum local AND the events channel the twitter link and the message...at which point what remaining people decided to ALL move at once. Guess what happened? ******* TiDi for 23 jumps. Disclosing of information to move a mass of people needs to be slowly distributed, posting it on twitter was supposed to do that. Had no one said it in every ******* channel it would have worked too. Alas the human notion is to spread rumors as we hear them.


Ah i Got it, we should've trickled, but we moved all together. Only we didn't - I never was in a system over 130 people except meves and stacmon.
But if we didn't go together and we trickled, CCP devious plan was succesfful! we had no tidi! Nah, we had tidi. With 130 people in local.
And when we finally came to the funnel, the losec and nullsec people where there - because they did not have to travel 23 jumps.

They knew where we would go; they knew the exact time. They are organized by definition. So they mounted a fleet and bridged or cynoed there from staging, bubbled to their heart content, and got bored for about one hour till the first of us actually "trickled" there. How long does it take a RAZOR fleet to jump to a known system near staging once you know in advance there's gonna be an op? Once the fleet is formed, I'd be surprised if it took more than 15 minutes. Let's say half an hour.
You still have another 10-15 minutes to get bored before a fleet of 200 can slowboat 23 jumps to there - especially if the last 8 jumps are in hostile territory.

So even without TIDI, we would've been thrown to a meatgrinder. Even without tidi, "trickling" people would just make then obvious targets. With TIDI, kitchen sink fleets, and trickling.... I don't have to say it - you've seen it.

So, simply put, I do not believe that you actually say this things and believe them. You're obviously playing oblivious on purpose. TO not figure this out before... it's bad enough. To claim you didn't after it's been explained so long is unwillingness to argument.


I see....so you continued into the trap anyway despite better judgement...I wonder who between the two of us is playing to oblivious.
Eisenhornx
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#738 - 2013-11-09 18:16:01 UTC
Trii Seo wrote:
I'm detecting vast quantities of rear pain. Sensors cannot handle this magnitude, please advise~

Well, to start there was plenty of RP elements involved. The RP goes: Empires tried to stop Serpentis activities in Outer Regions. Serpentis were aided by Outer Region inhabitants and held the empire forces back, delivering some righteous smackin' in the process. In fact, smackin' so hard it was heard by crying pods all the way back to trade hubs.

So how do you think it should've gone down then? What's the magical solution that would've made it better?


Since there was RP elements on the pirates side but no RP empire to be found kinda makes the whole thing one sided now doesnt it? I made it past your petty gate camps but i found CCP pirates but no CCP empire... do you see anything wrong with your response now?
Eisenhornx
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#739 - 2013-11-09 18:18:27 UTC
Asbjrn wrote:
About langage yes you are right. and you did get my question. but i wanted more that 2 Knowital`s tears that is the forum`s role. and if u can see somone else is not having English as first language or not if that is al you can come up with as an insult i do appologise. Thanks for the effort but its not enough


You misunderstand my question as an insult, or is not being able to speak or write in English an insult? If the latter I apologize for the hurt feelings.
Asbjrn
The Executives
#740 - 2013-11-09 18:21:01 UTC
Eisenhornx wrote:
Asbjrn wrote:
About langage yes you are right. and you did get my question. but i wanted more that 2 Knowital`s tears that is the forum`s role. and if u can see somone else is not having English as first language or not if that is al you can come up with as an insult i do appologise. Thanks for the effort but its not enough


You misunderstand my question as an insult, or is not being able to speak or write in English an insult? If the latter I apologize for the hurt feelings.


no hurt taken. but thanks m8 :)