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REMOVING ICE FROM HIGH SEC WTF
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Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#101 - 2011-11-11 15:22:13 UTC
The only reason ICE products are so cheap is because they can be easily mined, even afk mined in high sec. Moving all ice to low/null will drive prices way up as there will no longer be anywhere near enough ice products to support the number of POSes in the game.

For those of you who think this is a good idea, give your head a shake. There are many PVP null sec corps that buy ice in high sec to fuel their POSes. A lagre POS uses a butt load of ICE products per month. If ICE was removed from high sec than all the Null sec PVP corps with POSes will either have to start mining their own ice or hire indy corp to come do it for them. either way it will cut into there PVP roaming time.

Mine your own ice in Null, or learn to live without POSes. At the current prices you can easily spend 2-300 mil per month on buying ice products to maintain a large POS if you do not mine them yourself. if ice is removed from high sec that price will go up at least 10 times. more likely 20-30 times. How many players will continue to maintain POSes producing the goods PVPers need to fight if the cost of maintaining the POS goes from a few hundred mil a month to a couple billion isk per month. Bye Bye profits and hello massive inflation of everything.

In the populated parts of high sec it is hard to find a moon that does not have a POS anchored at it. There is a massive amount of research and manufacturing done in high sec POSes. The prices of everything in game are based on the effort and isk required to manufacture it. If you you eliminate the ice that makes those high sec POSes possible, the entire game will change. ICE is the life blood of EVE. If the price of ICE goes up 20 times, it will not be long before the price of everything is up 20 times. It would be funny to see low level PVP limited to noob starter ships because nobody can afford to lose a ship they actually had to pay for.

There is not near enough indy activity in low/null to support the entire game economy. And there never will be. Most high sec indy players will just quit, rather than try to move to null. A move like this would kill EVE. Nobody will PVP if the prices of everything built in a POS reflect the risk involved in maintaining a POS in Null sec.
marie claude
Space Underground
Silent Infinity
#102 - 2011-11-14 18:14:29 UTC
tbh ccp seams determined to close this game completely removing hi sec ice is just one more act of ccp bowing to the gankers bot miners dont bother me i applaud the ingenuity it takes to write and run it. the nerf will drive the price of ice sky high wich will shut down many hi sec pos more than a few low sec ones drive the price of items that are pos only made back up or just wreck them for profit
Zions Child
Higashikata Industries
#103 - 2011-11-15 04:12:51 UTC
Oh my god, I thought whine threads like this were reserved for GD and C&P.

I have more places to troll now!
Via Shivon
#104 - 2011-11-15 10:58:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Via Shivon
marie claude wrote:
tbh ccp seams determined to close this game completely removing hi sec ice is just one more act of ccp bowing to the gankers bot miners dont bother me i applaud the ingenuity it takes to write and run it. the nerf will drive the price of ice sky high wich will shut down many hi sec pos more than a few low sec ones drive the price of items that are pos only made back up or just wreck them for profit



yeah you can get 100m per/h in high sec and 300m per pos is to expensive? lol

who said ccp will remove ice from high sec?
Jurinak
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#105 - 2011-11-15 11:46:57 UTC
Via Shivon wrote:
marie claude wrote:
tbh ccp seams determined to close this game completely removing hi sec ice is just one more act of ccp bowing to the gankers bot miners dont bother me i applaud the ingenuity it takes to write and run it. the nerf will drive the price of ice sky high wich will shut down many hi sec pos more than a few low sec ones drive the price of items that are pos only made back up or just wreck them for profit



yeah you can get 100m per/h in high sec and 300m per pos is to expensive? lol

who said ccp will remove ice from high sec?


there was a brainstorming about what to do with Eve in the future, but nothing more then that. And thats it no more then 10% of a brainstorming come into the final product so no worries, the thread is senseless
Via Shivon
#106 - 2011-11-15 12:35:24 UTC
Jurinak wrote:
Via Shivon wrote:
marie claude wrote:
tbh ccp seams determined to close this game completely removing hi sec ice is just one more act of ccp bowing to the gankers bot miners dont bother me i applaud the ingenuity it takes to write and run it. the nerf will drive the price of ice sky high wich will shut down many hi sec pos more than a few low sec ones drive the price of items that are pos only made back up or just wreck them for profit



yeah you can get 100m per/h in high sec and 300m per pos is to expensive? lol

who said ccp will remove ice from high sec?


there was a brainstorming about what to do with Eve in the future, but nothing more then that. And thats it no more then 10% of a brainstorming come into the final product so no worries, the thread is senseless



a i remember this black(white)board ^^
Dele Anneto
Zventec Heavy Industries
#107 - 2011-11-16 13:59:58 UTC
Alikchi wrote:
I think CCP should remove ice from space altogether and sell Oxygen Isotopes for aurum. This is the best solution


/thread
Party Lips
Calamitous-Intent
#108 - 2011-11-16 14:49:48 UTC
I think this is a wonderfull idea removing ice from high sec. it makes mining in 0.0 / low sec more relevant and rewarding. this will by no means kill the game but actually grow the eve economy.
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#109 - 2011-11-16 19:06:14 UTC
OSGOD wrote:
i for one will seek legal advice on this issue if it goes any further than the forums :

1: i pay 260+ dollars a year for this game and the last time i payed my sub i never ticked any box that siad all my time a sp invested in ice mining to fuel my pos are now going to be wasted becuase ice is going to low sec or WH`s

Humour posts are the best posts.
Xerxes Ceasar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#110 - 2011-11-17 09:56:36 UTC
Woo Glin wrote:
and then you mine ice


...and then you grief...Roll
Celgar Thurn
Department 10
#111 - 2011-11-18 14:39:11 UTC
Via Shivon wrote:
[quote=marie claude]

who said ccp will remove ice from high sec?


I believe CCP Soundwave was the original person at CCP who put forward the idea of removing ice belts from high sec. I don't know whether anyone else from CCP seconded the idea. Nothing is shocking nowadays so I won't be surprised if CCP did go ahead with this ridiculous idea.
Titania Hrothgar
Nemesis Retribution
#112 - 2011-11-18 23:19:57 UTC
I hate bots. I loathe them. I think removing ice from high sec is a wonderful idea. Want to know how to beat a bot? Park an unfriendly in their sector. The bot will hide all day... that means no money. If the player wants to earn a profit then they will have to come out and play.

Bots are like huge flags saying "come destroy me". God I hate bots. I was on the fence about ice being moved until I saw the posts about bots mining ice. That made me all for the idea.

All the world's a stage and all the men and women are the players.
Borun Tal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#113 - 2011-11-18 23:56:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Borun Tal
OSGOD wrote:
i for one will seek legal advice on this issue if it goes any further than the forums



No, you won't. You sound like just another failquitter getting read to not quit.

If one of the attorneys I work with had a client ask what you just did, he would laugh in your face, and you'd become popular as the joke of the week.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#114 - 2011-11-19 00:30:35 UTC
Wow

It is amazing you can get 6 pages out of one blip from a dev brainstorming blog. To be fair they also discussed just making ice in high sec deplete like asteroid belts. (which seems the more likely change IMO)
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#115 - 2011-11-19 02:15:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Proof that nobody read this thread.

Waaay back on page 2, message #24...

Tau Cabalander wrote:
Since this thread is really low in facts and high in alarmist BS posts:

CCP Greyscale wrote:
RG Sneaker wrote:
Will Ice mining in hi sec end?
I might just close my hi sec POS then :-(
Thinking about it a bit, not sure where we're going to go. We might not change it at all, we might just make hisec belts deplete (and regen as normal) so they can roughly meet hisec demand.

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1565827&page=2#55

/thread
Xen Solarus
Furious Destruction and Salvage
#116 - 2011-11-19 08:02:52 UTC
Seems a mix of opinions between carebears that just want to mine in empire in peace, null sec players eager to increase their player base, and the gankers looking to continue to collect tears in low-sec.

Personally, i think removing ice from high sec is another attempt to force people from the safety of empire. Though i think its important for people to do this, by no means do i think that everyone will be interested. I think everyone knows that there is much better isk to made in low and null sec systems, but many people will simply never take the risk, because they are more than happy doing what they do in high-sec. Not everyone needs exploding ships, or more importantly, wants to see their ships exploding to the delight of the pirates.

Making ice belts deplete seems a logical solution. Prices would stablize over time to reflect the new system, and those more daring could make more profitis from mining low sec (Assuming they don't get ganked of course).

Lets face it, some people will NEVER leave empire. Accept it. Its an important part of the eve universe, and more importantly, has the most players. Drasticly effecting their little game bubble will only result in many rage-quits.

But im sure the low-sec gankers will continue to rant for new methods to force people into low and null sec. Afterall, they need that fresh supply of victims to keep themselves happy. Big smile

Post with your main, like a BOSS!

And no, i don't live in highsec.  As if that would make your opinion any less wrong.  
Kiree Chancel
DICE.
#117 - 2011-11-20 03:38:34 UTC
...and higher prices for everything is bad why?
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#118 - 2011-11-20 16:37:57 UTC
Brisco County wrote:
I hope to god they go through with removing ice from high-sec.

Now they just need to nerf drone poo and mission loot reprocessing and I MIGHT actually mine something.

Remove all ore from highsec but veldspar (basic, no 5% or 10%) and all roids from .5 to 1.0 are like 1.0. ******* terribad, but enough to keep newbs going at it. All highsec stations have their manufacturing slots removed, all researched removed (plus no BPO in station, has to be in POS now), and all stations from null to highsec take 11% after refine calculations so you will always loose something to get you to use a POS. POS is the way to go if you (BTW, bare minimum is .4 or less to anchor a POS cause "There must be MOAR RISK NAO!!!) want to make any sort of money with reprocessing (POS will refine better) , manufacture, or research. You will now be at dangerously high blood pressure level of risk and will be tied into that mother ****** 23.5/7. Enjoy it, cause you will need alot of maintence to keep up that production line and with the buff to dreads you will be set back when you loose everything.

And you wanted ice removed from highsec, lol when you forget the casual convenience without the ulcer inducing risk of null/lulsec that highsec has when it comes to a POS and why some people will mine it Roll. Don't forget, it will kill the entire profession of ganking and some people will loose out (Goons perhaps ? Shocked ) cause they won't have much in the way for targets.
Esunisen
Les Tueurs de Killer
#119 - 2011-11-21 04:58:29 UTC
You guys are all wrong, best way is to remove all Empire LolLolLol

Now seriously, the first annoyed will be 0.0 alliances, cause they use all isotopes, don't they ?