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Probably the WORST event I've wasted my time on in my 10 years of EVE ...

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Killerjock
Von Neumann Industries
#621 - 2013-11-08 23:38:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Killerjock
DDymus wrote:
i bet you can afford that, no? somebody from the previous comments mentioned how expensive is to live in the claimed nulls, i bet you can afford that, why bother bring top ships against blob, but notformat not coordinated, not supported fleets? throw garbage at the garbage and see us flee before well coordinated fleet?


Hey I don't live in null anymore. I'm a carebear just like you (from what you say below).

But why do you expect people to play their game differently than the way they use to play it? As someone mentioned, "welcome to our tuesday evening" - there was nothing special about a blob getting into their turf. It's everyday's job, so like everyday they set up and defended their territory. The exceptional thing is that they had hours of advance warning while we were trying to figure out what the heck we were doing.

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and in case of situation gettign out of control - you have cynos and bridges and for crist sake you live in that region, you have a backup plan by nature. Big alliances had a chance to show really that null is theyr's but they didn't all they showed that they are able to keep anybody away from it. anyway i would done it differently, esp if you wanted to show something to the carebears. but again who am i to judge, or make any proposals. just ISK farmer.


The nullsec alliances weren't there to show anyone anything. They were there to protect their territory, simple as that. You trespass into CFC area, you get a fight. Maybe you die, maybe you get out with your pod/ship/fleet. But you get a fight, that's for sure (well, mostly). The other alliances are just the same.

It was CCP who was there to show us something - I assumed. Only they did not. Well, not to us stragglers who never managed to quite reach the event, at least. Why should razor, or PL, or whomever else, be held accountable for this?
Tyler Nietzsche
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#622 - 2013-11-08 23:39:06 UTC
Maximus Aerelius wrote:
To put it simply we were all CPPdSmile


That is so sad. I approve.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#623 - 2013-11-08 23:49:26 UTC
Killerjock wrote:
DDymus wrote:
i bet you can afford that, no? somebody from the previous comments mentioned how expensive is to live in the claimed nulls, i bet you can afford that, why bother bring top ships against blob, but notformat not coordinated, not supported fleets? throw garbage at the garbage and see us flee before well coordinated fleet?


Hey I don't live in null anymore. I'm a carebear just like you (from what you say below).

But why do you expect people to play their game differently than the way they use to play it? As someone mentioned, "welcome to our tuesday evening" - there was nothing special about a blob getting into their turf. It's everyday's job, so like everyday they set up and defended their territory. The exceptional thing is that they had hours of advance warning while we were trying to figure out what the heck we were doing.

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and in case of situation gettign out of control - you have cynos and bridges and for crist sake you live in that region, you have a backup plan by nature. Big alliances had a chance to show really that null is theyr's but they didn't all they showed that they are able to keep anybody away from it. anyway i would done it differently, esp if you wanted to show something to the carebears. but again who am i to judge, or make any proposals. just ISK farmer.


The nullsec alliances weren't there to show anyone anything. They were there to protect their territory, simple as that. You trespass into CFC area, you get a fight. Maybe you die, maybe you get out with your pod/ship/fleet. But you get a fight, that's for sure (well, mostly). The other alliances are just the same.

It was CCP who was there to show us something - I assumed. Only they did not. Well, not to us stragglers who never managed to quite reach the event, at least. Why should razor, or PL, or whomever else, be held accountable for this?


The issue is not the null seccers, The issue is that it was not 'stragglers' who failed to reach the event. I don't believe a single high sec fleet made it to the event. Most of them not because of enemy action but because CCP started the Null event an hour before most fleets finally made it through TiDi to the target systems. The fleet I was in made it to 8V intact (Though we lost maybe 1/3rd of our numbers when CCP declared the event over). But the event was declared officially ended by CCP while we were 5 jumps out. And CCP started the event before we had even cleared high sec.
This despite the fact that we were moving as fast as we could without splitting the fleet up.
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#624 - 2013-11-08 23:52:05 UTC
Tyler Nietzsche wrote:
I won't quote. Hi sec fleets will never organize. It's what we are. No slaves of doctrine. No slaves of value. No slaves of a master. No drive to be the master. We know what we are. We know what we can do. And you should shiver. In your boots. Because we are out there.


Look, I empathize with the hi seccers on this one because they got led like lambs to the slaughter.

But this is literally the dumbest thing I have ever read. Hisec isn't ever going to organize, and therefore we in low and null ought to be afraid of you?

Yeah, good luck with that.
DDymus
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#625 - 2013-11-08 23:54:03 UTC
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It was CCP who was there to show us something - I assumed. Only they did not. Well, not to us stragglers who never managed to quite reach the event, at least. Why should razor, or PL, or whomever else, be held accountable for this?

Well I guess im totally wrong in judging people then, if you see that CCP failed in organizing event they planed, and you have the power to fix that - why the hell not.

Alliances were defending theyr territory? from who? highsec players, who know nothing about null mechanics and how this is working? and according to the posters before me - even cannot set overview properly? srsly, make up your mind, are you afraid or not? coz one half is saing that highs can't do anything and will be spanked anywhere anytime, but others are afraid about letting highs organize and at least clump up.
Tyler Nietzsche
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#626 - 2013-11-08 23:56:33 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Tyler Nietzsche wrote:
I won't quote. Hi sec fleets will never organize. It's what we are. No slaves of doctrine. No slaves of value. No slaves of a master. No drive to be the master. We know what we are. We know what we can do. And you should shiver. In your boots. Because we are out there.


Look, I empathize with the hi seccers on this one because they got led like lambs to the slaughter.

But this is literally the dumbest thing I have ever read. Hisec isn't ever going to organize, and therefore we in low and null ought to be afraid of you?

Yeah, good luck with that.


We are not afraid. We don't play by your rules. We feel that you are stupid slaves. Betting for a crumble of power. By yielding.
DDymus
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#627 - 2013-11-09 00:01:50 UTC
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The issue is not the null seccers, The issue is that it was not 'stragglers' who failed to reach the event. I don't believe a single high sec fleet made it to the event. Most of them not because of enemy action but because CCP started the Null event an hour before most fleets finally made it through TiDi to the target systems. The fleet I was in made it to 8V intact (Though we lost maybe 1/3rd of our numbers when CCP declared the event over). But the event was declared officially ended by CCP while we were 5 jumps out. And CCP started the event before we had even cleared high sec.
This despite the fact that we were moving as fast as we could without splitting the fleet up.


I do agree. Even if its OK to have main gathering point away from where event will actually take place, you should have thought a way how to transport everybody from there to here within reasanoble time and not ending event before everyone actually hit the place. and ye doril gate was so heavilly and well camped, that gate jump mechanics made it really nearly impossible to jump trough, those luckers who got trough - were misstakes, made by target callers, node itself, whatever. in abstract space, there were 0 cahnces to get trough.
Dunk Dinkle
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#628 - 2013-11-09 00:03:59 UTC
Tibus Heth was framed.
Killerjock
Von Neumann Industries
#629 - 2013-11-09 00:04:01 UTC
DDymus wrote:
Well I guess im totally wrong in judging people then, if you see that CCP failed in organizing event they planed, and you have the power to fix that - why the hell not.


So, since CCP failed, you expect your fellow players to give up THEIR fun (and ISK) in a PVP game so that you can have yours.
Doesn't that strike you as a bit pretentious?

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Alliances were defending theyr territory? from who? highsec players, who know nothing about null mechanics and how this is working? and according to the posters before me - even cannot set overview properly? srsly, make up your mind, are you afraid or not? coz one half is saing that highs can't do anything and will be spanked anywhere anytime, but others are afraid about letting highs organize and at least clump up.


Lol. As I told you, I'm not a nullsec dweller.
Yet if I were, I would've been at the borders shooting fish in the barrel.

I'm not saying a blob can take up sov and make an alliance run screaming. But face a 1000 pilots blob and be sure you'll lose some ships - it's inevitable, the firepower is simply too much.

So, are you willing to sacrifice your ship for no reason at all? Just to make someone else happy?
If you are, then you should be happy because that's EXACTLY what you did at the event. Glad you enjoyed it.
If you are not, then why are you asking someone else to risk their ships to make you have fun?

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#630 - 2013-11-09 00:06:59 UTC
Tyler Nietzsche wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Tyler Nietzsche wrote:
I won't quote. Hi sec fleets will never organize. It's what we are. No slaves of doctrine. No slaves of value. No slaves of a master. No drive to be the master. We know what we are. We know what we can do. And you should shiver. In your boots. Because we are out there.


Look, I empathize with the hi seccers on this one because they got led like lambs to the slaughter.

But this is literally the dumbest thing I have ever read. Hisec isn't ever going to organize, and therefore we in low and null ought to be afraid of you?

Yeah, good luck with that.


We are not afraid. We don't play by your rules. We feel that you are stupid slaves. Betting for a crumble of power. By yielding.


First off, stop being so dramatic. It's not helping you get your point across.

Second, getting organized does not make you a slave. In this game, what it does is it makes you effective.
Tyler Nietzsche
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#631 - 2013-11-09 00:08:02 UTC
Killerjock wrote:
DDymus wrote:
Well I guess im totally wrong in judging people then, if you see that CCP failed in organizing event they planed, and you have the power to fix that - why the hell not.


So, since CCP failed, you expect your fellow players to give up THEIR fun (and ISK) in a PVP game so that you can have yours.
Doesn't that strike you as a bit pretentious?

Quote:
Alliances were defending theyr territory? from who? highsec players, who know nothing about null mechanics and how this is working? and according to the posters before me - even cannot set overview properly? srsly, make up your mind, are you afraid or not? coz one half is saing that highs can't do anything and will be spanked anywhere anytime, but others are afraid about letting highs organize and at least clump up.


Lol. As I told you, I'm not a nullsec dweller.
Yet if I were, I would've been at the borders shooting fish in the barrel.

I'm not saying a blob can take up sov and make an alliance run screaming. But face a 1000 pilots blob and be sure you'll lose some ships - it's inevitable, the firepower is simply too much.

So, are you willing to sacrifice your ship for no reason at all? Just to make someone else happy?
If you are, then you should be happy because that's EXACTLY what you did at the event. Glad you enjoyed it.
If you are not, then why are you asking someone else to risk their ships to make you have fun?



We have no faith. In the game. But for selfish reasons, I would expect CCP to make an appealing "event". That failed. Totally. All faith lost (what would remain). Do you heare me: Marianne?!
Tyler Nietzsche
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#632 - 2013-11-09 00:18:28 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Tyler Nietzsche wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Tyler Nietzsche wrote:
I won't quote. Hi sec fleets will never organize. It's what we are. No slaves of doctrine. No slaves of value. No slaves of a master. No drive to be the master. We know what we are. We know what we can do. And you should shiver. In your boots. Because we are out there.


Look, I empathize with the hi seccers on this one because they got led like lambs to the slaughter.

But this is literally the dumbest thing I have ever read. Hisec isn't ever going to organize, and therefore we in low and null ought to be afraid of you?

Yeah, good luck with that.


We are not afraid. We don't play by your rules. We feel that you are stupid slaves. Betting for a crumble of power. By yielding.


First off, stop being so dramatic. It's not helping you get your point across.

Second, getting organized does not make you a slave. In this game, what it does is it makes you effective.


Effectiveness is but a pale shadow of what you are. The dream bigger. It's not that dramatic. If you face the total truth, and is not scared. You might have more important things to do than conform. Yield. To power.
Esrevid Nekkeg
Justified and Ancient
#633 - 2013-11-09 00:27:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Esrevid Nekkeg
Tyler Nietzsche wrote:
We are not afraid. We don't play by your rules. We feel that you are stupid slaves. Betting for a crumble of power. By yielding.
My experience in flying trough null has thought me otherwise. Whenever I wander through our null static, all the Uber powerful tear harvesting chest beating Kings of Null-sec either dock up, or flee through the nearest gate. You lot are afraid all right, of a single WH player in a lonely Legion. And most of the times I'm the one laughing all the way to the bank after plundering your riches in your backwater systems.

Of course I don't play this game by your rules and your standards, why don't you play by mine?


Please don't misunderstand, it was a question, not a statement you have to. Because I would be a fool to tell another EvE player how to play this game. The strength of this game comes at least partially from the myriad ways to play it. In other words, there is no right or wrong way.
And judging by more than a few posts, the nullseccers had their fun last night because the highseccers play the way they do. So don't judge and belittle, but give a pad on the back and say 'hey dudes, thanks for the fun and the padding of our kill boards'....Blink


Edit: I see now that I made the mistake of viewing your statement as being made from a null perspective, my apologies. But apart from that, my opinion on null still stands. EN.

Here I used to have a sig of our old Camper in space. Now it is disregarded as being the wrong format. Looking out the window I see one thing: Nothing wrong with the format of our Camper! Silly CCP......

Tyler Nietzsche
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#634 - 2013-11-09 00:30:35 UTC
Esrevid Nekkeg wrote:
Tyler Nietzsche wrote:
We are not afraid. We don't play by your rules. We feel that you are stupid slaves. Betting for a crumble of power. By yielding.
My experience in flying trough null has thought me otherwise. Whenever I wander through our null static, all the Uber powerful tear harvesting chest beating Kings of Null-sec either dock up, or flee through the nearest gate. You lot are afraid all right, of a single WH player in a lonely Legion. And most of the times I'm the one laughing all the way to the bank after plundering your riches in your backwater systems.

Of course I don't play this game by your rules and your standards, why don't you play by mine?


Please don't misunderstand, it was a question, not a statement you have to. Because I would be a fool to tell another EvE player how to play this game. The strength of this game comes at least partially from the myriad ways to play it. In other words, there is no right or wrong way.
And judging by more than a few posts, the nullseccers had their fun last night because the highseccers play the way they do. So don't judge and belittle, but give a pad on the back and say 'hey dudes, thanks for the fun and the padding of our kill boards'....Blink


You are less inclined to face opposition than me. ( A coward ). Fine. Create a doctrine (I ******* HATE THAT WORD) of cowardice.
Na Kahm
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#635 - 2013-11-09 00:30:55 UTC
Xgave up after 16 jumps, **** this **** for a "unlive" event, at least ccp SHOULD have talked been there or something, but guesses they don't care about the playersUgh 1st and last event EVERAttentionAttention

John 17 : 23

Tyler Nietzsche
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#636 - 2013-11-09 00:35:41 UTC
Na Kahm wrote:
Xgave up after 16 jumps, **** this **** for a "unlive" event, at least ccp SHOULD have talked been there or something, but guesses they don't care about the playersUgh 1st and last event EVERAttentionAttention


1st and last, and always is a far moar spiritual pursuit.
Schwein Hosen
DuckPus Fightclub
#637 - 2013-11-09 01:18:01 UTC
Maximus Aerelius wrote:
To put it simply we were all CPPdSmile


I kinda feel bad for CCP now, but that is really funny!

If any CCP guy does read this, I'll just say one thing. Instead of raging, let me offer this one piece of advice. Consider briefing the CSM on your plans before you implement them next time, just like you do with most game changes and devblogs. This game is, as you know, hard to get right unless you have a lot of experience. Any one of the CSM members could have predicted all the things that were going to go wrong with this live event and how the players would react. It's a simple thing that will save you from all these unintended consequences next time.


Tyler Nietzsche
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#638 - 2013-11-09 01:26:54 UTC
Schwein Hosen wrote:
Maximus Aerelius wrote:
To put it simply we were all CPPdSmile


I kinda feel bad for CCP now, but that is really funny!

If any CCP guy does read this, I'll just say one thing. Instead of raging, let me offer this one piece of advice. Consider briefing the CSM on your plans before you implement them next time, just like you do with most game changes and devblogs. This game is, as you know, hard to get right unless you have a lot of experience. Any one of the CSM members could have predicted all the things that were going to go wrong with this live event and how the players would react. It's a simple thing that will save you from all these unintended consequences next time.




Yeah. At least the CSM should be prepared. And Ready! To get some authority and thrust out three. They usually show dedication. To improve the experiences of people here.
Kyria Shirako
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#639 - 2013-11-09 01:43:42 UTC
...Does anyone else suddenly feel like you're watching a shirtless man with three nipples standing atop the Häagen-Dazs building protesting photosynthesis, all against a mushroom cloud backdrop?
Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
#640 - 2013-11-09 02:06:23 UTC
Maximus Aerelius wrote:
To put it simply we were all CPPdSmile


Can we get someone to call "Primary" on this photo of the CCP Office Party from last night.

Sourced: http://www.gameskinny.com/euksz/eve-online-live-event-bleating-of-the-lambs