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Probably the WORST event I've wasted my time on in my 10 years of EVE ...

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Optimus Junkis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#601 - 2013-11-08 21:49:09 UTC
Lemming Alpha1dash1 wrote:
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Optimus Junkis wrote:
Lemming Alpha1dash1 wrote:

...

PS: asking for ship and clone reimbursement from CCP, the decision by CCP to reimburse will effect my rl future spending.
It's not what I say but what I do, and will vote with my wallet as a customer they screwed over... again.



Good bye, don't forget to set your last 24 hours of training before you leave. Cause you aren't getting reimbursed for anything. God why do people expect to be paid for this? I mean i understand you got hosed, so has every miner that got ganked in a belt or every freighter pilot that got suicide ganked at a gate or anybody that got awox'd.

You guys got hosed i get it, but it was an event that went horribly wrong, like on a massive scale. But it was an event, they didn't introduce any new functionality that added a "kill a carebear" button to the interface or anything. You had a ship or were supposed to have a ship that you were ok with losing.

You lost the time, you could been mission running or mining or whatever it is you do and you lost trust in CCP. You already accepted the loss of the ship and the clone when you went out there, if you hadn't already planned on that then the problem is with you not CCP. But really? Your going to take your ball and go home? lol

I'm sorry dude, i understand you got pissed on but some of you are acting very childish. so go ahead and close your account.


There is a slight difference, You USUALLY do not get awoxe'd by CCP


You may never have heard of the Lemmings Leap, but as a Lemming we don't have a long life expectancy.
Losing ships and clones is part of the game, PERIOD

What my complaint is towards CCP as a company is we got LURED into a Live Event and our fleet (250 man size) didn't even got to fight the CCP actors (or what ever you want to call them) because of TiDi and other circumstances (read the previous 30 pages plz).

This is a serious complaint, against CCP for failing the Live Event and they have to take responsibility for that, in the form of reimbursement.

We can not expect them to redo the Live Event again, what is done is done.

Now if I where to kill you or you me in a fight it's a loss that has no direct CCP involvement in actual game altering ways (not speaking about a mere dev caravan or such)

This live event was very important according to the Lore of the game and will alter what happens in the 4 empires soon.

So when we meet in space and one of us dies I won't expect to get paid for this (don't really understand that, unless it involves mercenary work)


I understand why your pissed and you have a right to be upset. they completely failed in this whole thing and that's that.

But do you really believe they should reimburse you? wait who am i kidding... your a carebear... of course you expect them to reimburse you... Look eve is a PvP game. Like it or not you got in a ship and headed out in null sec, did you not understand that you could and most likely would get popped? CCP bailed on you and you died, that simple. It happens, if you don't like it take your ball and go home like other people are talking about doing. But in the end you KNEW you were gonna die and you went anyway. Your wanting reimbursement but your saying it's not about losing a ship, well what do you need reimbursement for if not for your ship and clone? Your time? Apparently you have all kinds of time in life you spend hours playing a damn game.

Just learn from this and move on. i mean your pissed and wanting somebody's head thats normal. But you need to move on and put this whole tihng behind you and just don't trust any other events CCP comes up with. i think it's apparent that they really don't even play there own game.
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#602 - 2013-11-08 21:58:01 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
Optimus Junkis wrote:
Lemming Alpha1dash1 wrote:
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Optimus Junkis wrote:
Lemming Alpha1dash1 wrote:

...

PS: asking for ship and clone reimbursement from CCP, the decision by CCP to reimburse will effect my rl future spending.
It's not what I say but what I do, and will vote with my wallet as a customer they screwed over... again.



Good bye, don't forget to set your last 24 hours of training before you leave. Cause you aren't getting reimbursed for anything. God why do people expect to be paid for this? I mean i understand you got hosed, so has every miner that got ganked in a belt or every freighter pilot that got suicide ganked at a gate or anybody that got awox'd.

You guys got hosed i get it, but it was an event that went horribly wrong, like on a massive scale. But it was an event, they didn't introduce any new functionality that added a "kill a carebear" button to the interface or anything. You had a ship or were supposed to have a ship that you were ok with losing.

You lost the time, you could been mission running or mining or whatever it is you do and you lost trust in CCP. You already accepted the loss of the ship and the clone when you went out there, if you hadn't already planned on that then the problem is with you not CCP. But really? Your going to take your ball and go home? lol

I'm sorry dude, i understand you got pissed on but some of you are acting very childish. so go ahead and close your account.


There is a slight difference, You USUALLY do not get awoxe'd by CCP


You may never have heard of the Lemmings Leap, but as a Lemming we don't have a long life expectancy.
Losing ships and clones is part of the game, PERIOD

What my complaint is towards CCP as a company is we got LURED into a Live Event and our fleet (250 man size) didn't even got to fight the CCP actors (or what ever you want to call them) because of TiDi and other circumstances (read the previous 30 pages plz).

This is a serious complaint, against CCP for failing the Live Event and they have to take responsibility for that, in the form of reimbursement.

We can not expect them to redo the Live Event again, what is done is done.

Now if I where to kill you or you me in a fight it's a loss that has no direct CCP involvement in actual game altering ways (not speaking about a mere dev caravan or such)

This live event was very important according to the Lore of the game and will alter what happens in the 4 empires soon.

So when we meet in space and one of us dies I won't expect to get paid for this (don't really understand that, unless it involves mercenary work)


I understand why your pissed and you have a right to be upset. they completely failed in this whole thing and that's that.

But do you really believe they should reimburse you? wait who am i kidding... your a carebear... of course you expect them to reimburse you... Look eve is a PvP game. Like it or not you got in a ship and headed out in null sec, did you not understand that you could and most likely would get popped? CCP bailed on you and you died, that simple. It happens, if you don't like it take your ball and go home like other people are talking about doing. But in the end you KNEW you were gonna die and you went anyway. Your wanting reimbursement but your saying it's not about losing a ship, well what do you need reimbursement for if not for your ship and clone? Your time? Apparently you have all kinds of time in life you spend hours playing a damn game.

Just learn from this and move on. i mean your pissed and wanting somebody's head thats normal. But you need to move on and put this whole tihng behind you and just don't trust any other events CCP comes up with. i think it's apparent that they really don't even play there own game.






Actually in some countries, there is a legal duty of care,Particularly when real money is paid for game currency. Not everyone lives in a country where dog eats dog is acceptable.
He may actually have a legal and justifiable claim. CCP had a duty of care and there is a suspicion that they were deliberately negligent in this.c This may or may not be true.There are plenty of laws and statutes that cover exactly this issue.The fact it is in a game is irrelevant. Real money was lost. Again how much is not the issue.Whether someone is annoyed enough to pursue it is.

CCP lawyers will be having a fit over this. (possibly)

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
Tyler Nietzsche
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#603 - 2013-11-08 21:58:13 UTC
I don't want no reimbursement. I just want to voice the feedback that is was below pathetic. It's bad enough to create conspiracy theories. It was my first time. (Yeah, right). Is this the state of failure to expect?
Lemming Alpha1dash1
Lemmings Online
#604 - 2013-11-08 22:02:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Lemming Alpha1dash1
Optimus Junkis wrote:
Lemming Alpha1dash1 wrote:
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Optimus Junkis wrote:
Lemming Alpha1dash1 wrote:

...

PS: asking for ship and clone reimbursement from CCP, the decision by CCP to reimburse will effect my rl future spending.
It's not what I say but what I do, and will vote with my wallet as a customer they screwed over... again.



Good bye, don't forget to set your last 24 hours of training before you leave. Cause you aren't getting reimbursed for anything. God why do people expect to be paid for this? I mean i understand you got hosed, so has every miner that got ganked in a belt or every freighter pilot that got suicide ganked at a gate or anybody that got awox'd.

You guys got hosed i get it, but it was an event that went horribly wrong, like on a massive scale. But it was an event, they didn't introduce any new functionality that added a "kill a carebear" button to the interface or anything. You had a ship or were supposed to have a ship that you were ok with losing.

You lost the time, you could been mission running or mining or whatever it is you do and you lost trust in CCP. You already accepted the loss of the ship and the clone when you went out there, if you hadn't already planned on that then the problem is with you not CCP. But really? Your going to take your ball and go home? lol

I'm sorry dude, i understand you got pissed on but some of you are acting very childish. so go ahead and close your account.


There is a slight difference, You USUALLY do not get awoxe'd by CCP


You may never have heard of the Lemmings Leap, but as a Lemming we don't have a long life expectancy.
Losing ships and clones is part of the game, PERIOD

What my complaint is towards CCP as a company is we got LURED into a Live Event and our fleet (250 man size) didn't even got to fight the CCP actors (or what ever you want to call them) because of TiDi and other circumstances (read the previous 30 pages plz).

This is a serious complaint, against CCP for failing the Live Event and they have to take responsibility for that, in the form of reimbursement.

We can not expect them to redo the Live Event again, what is done is done.

Now if I where to kill you or you me in a fight it's a loss that has no direct CCP involvement in actual game altering ways (not speaking about a mere dev caravan or such)

This live event was very important according to the Lore of the game and will alter what happens in the 4 empires soon.

So when we meet in space and one of us dies I won't expect to get paid for this (don't really understand that, unless it involves mercenary work)


I understand why your pissed and you have a right to be upset. they completely failed in this whole thing and that's that.

But do you really believe they should reimburse you? wait who am i kidding... your a carebear... of course you expect them to reimburse you... Look eve is a PvP game. Like it or not you got in a ship and headed out in null sec, did you not understand that you could and most likely would get popped? CCP bailed on you and you died, that simple. It happens, if you don't like it take your ball and go home like other people are talking about doing. But in the end you KNEW you were gonna die and you went anyway. Your wanting reimbursement but your saying it's not about losing a ship, well what do you need reimbursement for if not for your ship and clone? Your time? Apparently you have all kinds of time in life you spend hours playing a damn game.

Just learn from this and move on. i mean your pissed and wanting somebody's head thats normal. But you need to move on and put this whole tihng behind you and just don't trust any other events CCP comes up with. i think it's apparent that they really don't even play there own game.


Calling me a carebear is a true sign of juvenile behaviour I expect from nullsec dwellers, but I digress, and want to stay on topic:

"Your wanting reimbursement but your saying it's not about losing a ship, well what do you need reimbursement for if not for your ship and clone? Your time? Apparently you have all kinds of time in life you spend hours playing a damn game."

Why I want the reimbursement is to give CCP a sign that their behaviour to me as a customer in regards to this live event was very very poor, and a measure of reimbursement has to be made.

CCP has reimbursed all kinds of stuff when they **** up, like skillpoints or ships in the past decade.

Are all those people that enjoyed their reimbursements also carebears according to your way of thinking ?

Eve is PvP indeed but it is when it comes to live events it's also roleplaying and making eve history, which literally thousands of pilots were DENIED.

A price has to be paid for that, and my price is ship and clone reimbursement, what is your price when a server node crashes and you lose a titan because of it ?

Information is Ammunition,

War does not tolerate Ambiguities.

May you live in an interesting Empyrean age !

http://eve-radio.com/
Optimus Junkis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#605 - 2013-11-08 22:03:59 UTC
epicurus ataraxia wrote:

I understand why your pissed and you have a right to be upset. they completely failed in this whole thing and that's that.

But do you really believe they should reimburse you? wait who am i kidding... your a carebear... of course you expect them to reimburse you... Look eve is a PvP game. Like it or not you got in a ship and headed out in null sec, did you not understand that you could and most likely would get popped? CCP bailed on you and you died, that simple. It happens, if you don't like it take your ball and go home like other people are talking about doing. But in the end you KNEW you were gonna die and you went anyway. Your wanting reimbursement but your saying it's not about losing a ship, well what do you need reimbursement for if not for your ship and clone? Your time? Apparently you have all kinds of time in life you spend hours playing a damn game.

Just learn from this and move on. i mean your pissed and wanting somebody's head thats normal. But you need to move on and put this whole tihng behind you and just don't trust any other events CCP comes up with. i think it's apparent that they really don't even play there own game.




Actually in some countries, there is a legal duty of care,Particularly when real money is paid for game currency.
He may actually have a legal and justifiable claim.
CCP lawyers will be having a fit over this. (possibly)[/quote]


Yes in some countries real money exchanged for in game currency is a legal matter. in this case there was no money exchanged for in game currency. For any laws that i'm aware of (i had to do extensive research on ecash for projects in the past) the exhange needs to be a direct guarantee of electronic currency. An agreement before hand. You give me this i'll give you that. With eve you pay a monthly fee to play in a sandbox. CCP makes no other promises. Also the money that is given to CCP is a membership fee which is excluded from a number laws you might be speaking of.

So you can try and get a lawyer involved. But i think you'll be waist real life money for nothing. CCP will own you in court like the owned you in the game.
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#606 - 2013-11-08 22:09:03 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
Optimus Junkis wrote:
epicurus ataraxia wrote:

I understand why your pissed and you have a right to be upset. they completely failed in this whole thing and that's that.

But do you really believe they should reimburse you? wait who am i kidding... your a carebear... of course you expect them to reimburse you... Look eve is a PvP game. Like it or not you got in a ship and headed out in null sec, did you not understand that you could and most likely would get popped? CCP bailed on you and you died, that simple. It happens, if you don't like it take your ball and go home like other people are talking about doing. But in the end you KNEW you were gonna die and you went anyway. Your wanting reimbursement but your saying it's not about losing a ship, well what do you need reimbursement for if not for your ship and clone? Your time? Apparently you have all kinds of time in life you spend hours playing a damn game.

Just learn from this and move on. i mean your pissed and wanting somebody's head thats normal. But you need to move on and put this whole tihng behind you and just don't trust any other events CCP comes up with. i think it's apparent that they really don't even play there own game.




Actually in some countries, there is a legal duty of care,Particularly when real money is paid for game currency.
He may actually have a legal and justifiable claim.
CCP lawyers will be having a fit over this. (possibly)



Yes in some countries real money exchanged for in game currency is a legal matter. in this case there was no money exchanged for in game currency. For any laws that i'm aware of (i had to do extensive research on ecash for projects in the past) the exhange needs to be a direct guarantee of electronic currency. An agreement before hand. You give me this i'll give you that. With eve you pay a monthly fee to play in a sandbox. CCP makes no other promises. Also the money that is given to CCP is a membership fee which is excluded from a number laws you might be speaking of.

So you can try and get a lawyer involved. But i think you'll be waist real life money for nothing. CCP will own you in court like the owned you in the game.[/quote]

I personally would find this excessive reaction to CCP's crappy treatment of their subscribers, and certainly would not do this, CCP sell plex to sell in game to buy ships and stuff, More of a link than you may think.Game time codes would probably fit your research.
I am merely pointing out that he may actually have rights. If he goes that road, lawyers would advise, CCP would look very very silly defending this. Never underestimate countries legal systems where the claimant has legal aid or insurance.

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
Optimus Junkis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#607 - 2013-11-08 22:16:07 UTC
Lemming Alpha1dash1 wrote:


Calling me a carebear is a true sign of juvenile behaviour I expect from nullsec dwellers, but I digress, and want to stay on topic:

"Your wanting reimbursement but your saying it's not about losing a ship, well what do you need reimbursement for if not for your ship and clone? Your time? Apparently you have all kinds of time in life you spend hours playing a damn game."

Why I want the reimbursement is to give CCP a sign that their behaviour to me as a customer in regards to this live event was very very poor, and a measure of reimbursement has to be made.

CCP has reimbursed all kinds of stuff when they **** up, like skillpoints or ships in the past decade.

Are all those people that enjoyed their reimbursements also carebears according to your way of thinking ?

Eve is PvP indeed but it is when it comes to live events it's also roleplaying and making eve history, which literally thousands of pilots were DENIED.

A price has to be paid for that, and my price is ship and clone reimbursement, what is your price when a server node crashes and you lose a titan because of it ?



lol ok we are apparently both wrong in a few things, your assuming i'm a nullseccer. I've spent some time in FW and that was ages ago. i've just reopened this account maybe a month ago. but i have two carebear accounts myself. being called a carebear isn't as negative as you might think it is. It simply implys that you prefer to play the game in a non-pvp aspect. Thus you spend your time in highsec. some might see it more than that but in reality that's all it means to any number of people i've played with.

I agree that CCP needs to address the blunder, but what do you want for reimbursement? i mean remember this was a simple event that went horrible wrong. That's it, it's not like they completely change some game mechanics or anything.
Lemming Alpha1dash1
Lemmings Online
#608 - 2013-11-08 22:24:24 UTC
Optimus Junkis wrote:


lol ok we are apparently both wrong in a few things, your assuming i'm a nullseccer. I've spent some time in FW and that was ages ago. i've just reopened this account maybe a month ago. but i have two carebear accounts myself. being called a carebear isn't as negative as you might think it is. It simply implys that you prefer to play the game in a non-pvp aspect. Thus you spend your time in highsec. some might see it more than that but in reality that's all it means to any number of people i've played with.

I agree that CCP needs to address the blunder, but what do you want for reimbursement? i mean remember this was a simple event that went horrible wrong. That's it, it's not like they completely change some game mechanics or anything.



Yeah I'm not a true carebear persé , since I have my own agenda that just happens to involves hisec abit more then losec.
I love solo pvp, and in eve that's hard to find, so in the past I regularly partook in tournaments nn stuff.

Anyways I made my reason clear why I want what I want, and I hope everything goes well for you to in eve, signing off o7

Information is Ammunition,

War does not tolerate Ambiguities.

May you live in an interesting Empyrean age !

http://eve-radio.com/
Tyler Nietzsche
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#609 - 2013-11-08 22:25:57 UTC
Optimus Junkis wrote:
[quote=Lemming Alpha1dash1]
I agree that CCP needs to address the blunder, but what do you want for reimbursement? i mean remember this was a simple event that went horrible wrong. That's it, it's not like they completely change some game mechanics or anything.


No. It wouldn't. Unless it is a vision of the future. Then we might find other venues for expression.
DDymus
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#610 - 2013-11-08 22:41:22 UTC
Ok, couple of things to add.
How am i pissed of people saying smth like:
Blah blah blah PERIOD.
Or balh IS blah.
Remember, that is only your opinion!
EVE is PvP game - yep sure, but PvP is not only shooitng down squares, it can be ecomonical, so highsec carebears, who actually never leave notonly highsec, rarely they leave stations have also theyr pvp. Miners have theyr pvp because they are caompeeting to get more ore than others, given limited ammount of ore between dts it is mainly a war of who get more from fixed ammount. Just get your head out of your own defenition of game and respect others opinion.

ALL RESPECT OTHERS OPINIONS.

Libe event is meant to make histoy especiallg in the game with so rich history.
And now compare:
Thousands of highsec pilots decided to end pirating in space and unite for one coordinated attack on investigated pirates site. The attack was holded by the united force of pirates and those who support them.
And.
Bunch of pilots were blindly jumping to the well guarded and well known to be guarded gate one by one to get killed, without even knowkng what to exclect in the end and why they are dying for.

As for me, I would prefer my name enlisted in the 1 scenario. Even result is the same. Carebears got killed, Razors get tons of killmails, everybody happy.

Next time dear razors, if you see that this kiind of stuff happening, take initiative, make it fun, don't be selfish as you were insta killing everything on fhe gate, bubble in the middle of the warp, cap fleets... Whatever you like, null is yours, show that. Not only by killing, but as a true predators, playing before killing. You cold have killedem ( us ) all anyway. Eve is more than your sov nullspace.
Tyler Nietzsche
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#611 - 2013-11-08 22:45:40 UTC
DDymus wrote:
Ok, couple of things to add.
How am i pissed of people saying smth like:
Blah blah blah PERIOD.
Or balh IS blah.
Remember, that is only your opinion!
EVE is PvP game - yep sure, but PvP is not only shooitng down squares, it can be ecomonical, so highsec carebears, who actually never leave notonly highsec, rarely they leave stations have also theyr pvp. Miners have theyr pvp because they are caompeeting to get more ore than others, given limited ammount of ore between dts it is mainly a war of who get more from fixed ammount. Just get your head out of your own defenition of game and respect others opinion.

ALL RESPECT OTHERS OPINIONS.

Libe event is meant to make histoy especiallg in the game with so rich history.
And now compare:
Thousands of highsec pilots decided to end pirating in space and unite for one coordinated attack on investigated pirates site. The attack was holded by the united force of pirates and those who support them.
And.
Bunch of pilots were blindly jumping to the well guarded and well known to be guarded gate one by one to get killed, without even knowkng what to exclect in the end and why they are dying for.

As for me, I would prefer my name enlisted in the 1 scenario. Even result is the same. Carebears got killed, Razors get tons of killmails, everybody happy.

Next time dear razors, if you see that this kiind of stuff happening, take initiative, make it fun, don't be selfish as you were insta killing everything on fhe gate, bubble in the middle of the warp, cap fleets... Whatever you like, null is yours, show that. Not only by killing, but as a true predators, playing before killing. You cold have killedem ( us ) all anyway. Eve is more than your sov nullspace.


Blah is your input. We value it for all that it is worth. Blah! Don't expect compliance without understanding. Don't expect cooperation without reason.
Killerjock
Von Neumann Industries
#612 - 2013-11-08 22:55:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Killerjock
DDymus wrote:
Next time dear razors, if you see that this kiind of stuff happening, take initiative, make it fun, don't be selfish as you were insta killing everything on fhe gate, bubble in the middle of the warp, cap fleets... Whatever you like, null is yours, show that. Not only by killing, but as a true predators, playing before killing. You cold have killedem ( us ) all anyway. Eve is more than your sov nullspace.


Yeah. So I get a fleet of 200 people at a camp, wait for two hours while the poor bastards (us) crawl through half the galaxy, and then let them reform, so thatI finally face a 1000 man blob.
200 against a thousand, even if they're blind you're gonna lose ships. And not our mothballed cheapfits, by all likelyness - the fleet that catched my blob was made entirely of T3s (not razor though).
Anyone with a sane mind, knowing a big bunch of lemmings is coming through, will try to make sure not to fight too many at a time.
Razor did what everyone with any sanity would do - make sure they had, and kept, the upper hand. You can't hold it against them.

But here's another catch - RAZOR are not pirates. When you tell me we're going against the pirate factions I envision Serpentis and Angel, not RZR and PL. I won't repeat what many have said quite eloquently about giving them several hours to prepare and organize fleets while we were desperately trying to stick together. Makes me think of the Tsushima battle.

You tell me the empires are pitting their navy against the pirate factions; then what we have is a thousand man blob disgregated by heavy travelling and badly organized to begin with, served with no backup or support to a well-prepared, well-organized, defending fleet of veterans holding their own turf; and not only that: you serve it a morsel at a time.
I knew it was going to be bad when I jumped in; yet what could we do? Go back the way we came? **** that, let's blow up and get it over with.

EDIT: Just to add insult to injury, I have some friends in one of the big nullsec blocs. One of them was in the hisec forces - stuck around for a while, got in the long train of jumps, then said "**** this, why bother?" and j-cloned to the defending fleet.
In a matter of minutes he was formed up and ready to roll. In the meanwhile, his former fleet was losing ships all over the place trying to get somewhere useful.
Oldbeef McPeterson
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#613 - 2013-11-08 23:01:30 UTC
Hilmar Veigar Pétursson
CCP Games, CEO

Anybody writing an open letter? I'd +1 anything that involved:

1) You let your *** employees **** off thousands of your paying customers
2) How: (paraphrase from previous >300 posts)
- Lambs to the slaughter
- Uneccessary tidi torture
- Flow of information was ******* ********, complete lack of communication

You can't just say "hey guys (3000 people) check this **** out over here" and then stand back.

Whatever...

I also think CCP Goliaths response is empty and stupid, this has nothing to do with misunderstandings, because for misunderstandings to exist there has to be ****ing communication in the first place. Real DBag response by him if you ask me.

I am really pissed, but at least there are 0.0 tear collectors so i don't have to get my keyboard wet.

**** off CCP
Tyler Nietzsche
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#614 - 2013-11-08 23:02:34 UTC
It has nothing to do about "pirates". Organized violence will always trumph people that would just rather go on with there lives. Shooting fish in a barrel. That is easy. Facing the consequences is not.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#615 - 2013-11-08 23:15:52 UTC
CCP Goliath wrote:
Carnip wrote:
CCP Goliath wrote:
Just dropping in to say thanks for giving us this feedback. We haven't had time to go through it all yet, but we will be doing so as a team and taking a lot of points on board to shape our work in the future. We will also be explaining some things to clear up some misunderstandings we have been noticing. Thanks for your time and patience.


"Misunderstandings we have been noticing"??

Is it the same arrogant CCP that was pre-Incarna? You guys do realize that you can't afford that, with flat userbase for last several years and no big feature coming in Rubicon?



You misunderstood my intent. I wanted to make the posters in this thread aware that we are not ignoring what they're saying, we just haven't gotten around to taking it all in yet. From what I have been reading so far, there are a lot of extremely valid criticisms and suggestions for positive turnarounds in the future. There is also a lot of conjecture and assumption based on a lack of information, which we hope to remedy by being transparent and providing the information. There's nothing arrogant about that, it was a genuine statement.


All I can say is it had better be good.

In addition to my previous complaints I also searched the entire of 8V KM's and found next to none that could have been the NPC Navies, and those were probably FW players in the NPC FW Corp.
Yet supposedly the players were just back up for the NPC's, not the main force.

This thread has grown faster than the TOS thread which had people panicking, so should tell you both how many people are actually interested in live events, and how upset people are.
DDymus
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#616 - 2013-11-08 23:18:28 UTC
Tyler Nietzsche wrote:
DDymus wrote:
Ok, couple of things to add.
How am i pissed of people saying smth like:
Blah blah blah PERIOD.
Or balh IS blah.
Remember, that is only your opinion!
EVE is PvP game - yep sure, but PvP is not only shooitng down squares, it can be ecomonical, so highsec carebears, who actually never leave notonly highsec, rarely they leave stations have also theyr pvp. Miners have theyr pvp because they are caompeeting to get more ore than others, given limited ammount of ore between dts it is mainly a war of who get more from fixed ammount. Just get your head out of your own defenition of game and respect others opinion.

ALL RESPECT OTHERS OPINIONS.

Libe event is meant to make histoy especiallg in the game with so rich history.
And now compare:
Thousands of highsec pilots decided to end pirating in space and unite for one coordinated attack on investigated pirates site. The attack was holded by the united force of pirates and those who support them.
And.
Bunch of pilots were blindly jumping to the well guarded and well known to be guarded gate one by one to get killed, without even knowkng what to exclect in the end and why they are dying for.

As for me, I would prefer my name enlisted in the 1 scenario. Even result is the same. Carebears got killed, Razors get tons of killmails, everybody happy.

Next time dear razors, if you see that this kiind of stuff happening, take initiative, make it fun, don't be selfish as you were insta killing everything on fhe gate, bubble in the middle of the warp, cap fleets... Whatever you like, null is yours, show that. Not only by killing, but as a true predators, playing before killing. You cold have killedem ( us ) all anyway. Eve is more than your sov nullspace.


Blah is your input. We value it for all that it is worth. Blah! Don't expect compliance without understanding. Don't expect cooperation without reason.

well, balh is all about this topic from the begining til lthe end (ifthere will be one). Do you really think that even 30+ pages of whining from one side and trolling\tearcollecting from the other will make any difference? comments like: plan more, reinforce nodes and so on: i doubt that CCP are stupid and didn't anticipated that load will be huge when announcing live event like this. so they made this on purpose, which one - they are not expected to tell you, they are obviously tested something and suceeded in it no doubt from my side here. And if they really want feedback - 1 there could be a formal way for that, 2 - extracting even from first couple of pages will do the trick, anythig else is just regular blah blah blah and trolololo.
so Im here just to hit keyboard and make internet bigger by my post.
Tyler Nietzsche
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#617 - 2013-11-08 23:24:18 UTC
I won't quote. Hi sec fleets will never organize. It's what we are. No slaves of doctrine. No slaves of value. No slaves of a master. No drive to be the master. We know what we are. We know what we can do. And you should shiver. In your boots. Because we are out there.
DDymus
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#618 - 2013-11-08 23:29:20 UTC
Quote:
Yeah. So I get a fleet of 200 people at a camp, wait for two hours while the poor bastards (us) crawl through half the galaxy, and then let them reform, so thatI finally face a 1000 man blob.
200 against a thousand, even if they're blind you're gonna lose ships. And not our mothballed cheapfits, by all likelyness - the fleet that catched my blob was made entirely of T3s (not razor though).
Anyone with a sane mind, knowing a big bunch of lemmings is coming through, will try to make sure not to fight too many at a time.
Razor did what everyone with any sanity would do - make sure they had, and kept, the upper hand. You can't hold it against them.

i bet you can afford that, no? somebody from the previous comments mentioned how expensive is to live in the claimed nulls, i bet you can afford that, why bother bring top ships against blob, but notformat not coordinated, not supported fleets? throw garbage at the garbage and see us flee before well coordinated fleet? and in case of situation gettign out of control - you have cynos and bridges and for crist sake you live in that region, you have a backup plan by nature. Big alliances had a chance to show really that null is theyr's but they didn't all they showed that they are able to keep anybody away from it. anyway i would done it differently, esp if you wanted to show something to the carebears. but again who am i to judge, or make any proposals. just ISK farmer.
Tyler Nietzsche
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#619 - 2013-11-08 23:32:58 UTC
DDymus wrote:
Quote:
Yeah. So I get a fleet of 200 people at a camp, wait for two hours while the poor bastards (us) crawl through half the galaxy, and then let them reform, so thatI finally face a 1000 man blob.
200 against a thousand, even if they're blind you're gonna lose ships. And not our mothballed cheapfits, by all likelyness - the fleet that catched my blob was made entirely of T3s (not razor though).
Anyone with a sane mind, knowing a big bunch of lemmings is coming through, will try to make sure not to fight too many at a time.
Razor did what everyone with any sanity would do - make sure they had, and kept, the upper hand. You can't hold it against them.

i bet you can afford that, no? somebody from the previous comments mentioned how expensive is to live in the claimed nulls, i bet you can afford that, why bother bring top ships against blob, but notformat not coordinated, not supported fleets? throw garbage at the garbage and see us flee before well coordinated fleet? and in case of situation gettign out of control - you have cynos and bridges and for crist sake you live in that region, you have a backup plan by nature. Big alliances had a chance to show really that null is theyr's but they didn't all they showed that they are able to keep anybody away from it. anyway i would done it differently, esp if you wanted to show something to the carebears. but again who am i to judge, or make any proposals. just ISK farmer.


They are at the "winning at any cost", level. Don't bother. Dreariness is far too present everywhere.
Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
#620 - 2013-11-08 23:34:52 UTC
To put it simply we were all CPPdSmile

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