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CCP needs more live events

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Phox Jorkarzul
Deep Void Merc Syndicate
#1 - 2013-11-08 15:06:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Phox Jorkarzul
With all the hate on the last one I want to say that you complaining are wrong with telling CCP to stop doing Live Event. They need to do more. They need to keep trying to find new ways to get more player interacting with each other. That is what Live events are all about. They are about players interacting with players.
Did the event have some flaws, sure it did. But it got players out of comfort zones which is a huge win for CCP. It got people out there doing something that they never would have done before. It also brought all three systems of the game together, High, Low, and Null, it was more inclusive than other events that CCP has done in the past.

I started playing this game three years ago, with three RL friends. In that time I have been in WHs, Sov Fights, low sec, and currently FW. I wanted to see what more EVE could have offered me. I wanted to get out there. The people that I see complaining are like my three friends, they still live in Forge. One briefly joined TEST, but then moved back. Why cause High Sec is safer. If there would have been an event like this then may they would have tried it, and if they died, then who cared. The went outside their comfort zone. It was different than running a mission. Maybe it gives them that rush you get when you first learn to pvp and they want more it, so they look a null corp or low sec corp to join. The point is this event could have been it.
Yea it was probably awful in 10% TiDi but it was something new.
My point is that EVE needs these live events and it needs the to get more players involved in them. I read that 1700 people showed up to one staging system and 700 made it into Null.....THAT IS AWESOME. It really is you are all feeling down cause you died. WHO CARES, its pixels mates. You were in a fleet of 1700 dudes and were off to complete a task. Did you fail, sure that is life you can't win them all. But really think about it. 1700 dudes. 1699 other people came together with you to complete a task. No other game offers events of that size.
So while you are complaining about it being unorganized you are forgetting that is the only game that can even allow it. Also you saw first hand what it was like for Null FC, trying to keep their fleet organized. It is no easy task. Most FC struggle with 50 man fleets, TBH, so agian thank CCP for trying.
You are also forgetting that CCP is still working with a newish Events Team. They have only been at this for i think a 9 months (I'll have to look at the TMC). And this is only the second time that they have done events of these size. So they are still learning. I would venture to say that they learnt a lot since the Battle of Caldari Prime as the staged two different events. In the future I think that this events are going to be bigger and have more than two staging systems, probably three or four.
My last thought is to the people saying that CCP Awoxed you. You were going to Null. What did you think was going to happen? That they were just going to let you show up and do what you wanted? Please tell me that you didn't really think that? Cause if you did then there really is no hope for you.
On a closing note Alaric Faelen has the best note on any of these threads. This guy gets it. He understands, and is right. if only one guy that did this event, says "Hey I want another shot at them, or I want to be in that alliance." Then this event is great sucess.
Alaric Faelen wrote:
The only players that lost, were those that didn't participate.

Doesn't matter whether people came out in kitchen sink high sec fleets, or shiny null sec doctrines. Just so long as they came out to play. CCP didn't create an ounce of content with their live event.....the players that undocked and came out to fight created the content. It's CCP that owes you a thanks.

For the new PvP'ers and care bears that showed up- GF's to you. Don't let the people too scared to lose fake spaceships pee in your Cheerios. You came out, fought and died. That's all any of us did. Hopefully you had fun. Hopefully you realize that being blown up in a game is still fun.
If just one care bear realizes that losing internet spaceships doesn't matter and moves out of high sec, then the live event succeeded.

Blasters for life

https://neverpheedthetroll.blogspot.com

N'maro Makari
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#2 - 2013-11-08 15:09:38 UTC
+1

**Vherokior **

Carnip
Kaer Industries
#3 - 2013-11-08 15:22:10 UTC
Phox Jorkarzul wrote:

Yea it was probably awful in 10% TiDi but it was something new.

Didn't read all your stuff. Being in a pile of sh*t is awful, but also something new (at least for me). Does it mean I should do it?
Phox Jorkarzul
Deep Void Merc Syndicate
#4 - 2013-11-08 15:40:52 UTC
Carnip wrote:
Phox Jorkarzul wrote:

Yea it was probably awful in 10% TiDi but it was something new.

Didn't read all your stuff. Being in a pile of sh*t is awful, but also something new (at least for me). Does it mean I should do it?

You already are my friend, you chose to be Amarr/ :)

Blasters for life

https://neverpheedthetroll.blogspot.com

Arn Dog
#5 - 2013-11-08 15:42:22 UTC
Awesome idea.

Next time can we bring Null Sec corps into H.S via an island syno and we can have a 3000 man gate camp set up to kill them all when they try and get out? Sounds like great fun lol I enjoy a good pigeon shoot.
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#6 - 2013-11-08 16:09:31 UTC
All this makes me want to do is organize the highsec player base a little more so that we aren't rolled quite so easily next time. Maybe start up some Caldari State Incursions into Goonspace.
N'maro Makari
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#7 - 2013-11-08 16:22:33 UTC
Carnip wrote:
Phox Jorkarzul wrote:

Yea it was probably awful in 10% TiDi but it was something new.

Didn't read all your stuff. Being in a pile of sh*t is awful, but also something new (at least for me). Does it mean I should do it?


You should probably read before offering an opinion. Just as a common courtesy.

**Vherokior **

Carnip
Kaer Industries
#8 - 2013-11-08 16:35:31 UTC
N'maro Makari wrote:
Carnip wrote:
Phox Jorkarzul wrote:

Yea it was probably awful in 10% TiDi but it was something new.

Didn't read all your stuff. Being in a pile of sh*t is awful, but also something new (at least for me). Does it mean I should do it?


You should probably read before offering an opinion. Just as a common courtesy.


You should not be posting more. Because you are not very good at it. Just as a common courtesy.
N'maro Makari
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#9 - 2013-11-08 17:16:06 UTC
Carnip wrote:
N'maro Makari wrote:
Carnip wrote:
Phox Jorkarzul wrote:

Yea it was probably awful in 10% TiDi but it was something new.

Didn't read all your stuff. Being in a pile of sh*t is awful, but also something new (at least for me). Does it mean I should do it?


You should probably read before offering an opinion. Just as a common courtesy.


You should not be posting more. Because you are not very good at it. Just as a common courtesy.


Teacher: "Remember kids don't touch open electrical cables"

Smartest, most handsomest kid in the world: "Don't touch YOUR MUM! Wheeeeey!" *reaches towards open electical cables*

**Vherokior **

Jythier Smith
BGG Wolves
#10 - 2013-11-08 19:39:02 UTC
Scherezad wrote:
All this makes me want to do is organize the highsec player base a little more so that we aren't rolled quite so easily next time. Maybe start up some Caldari State Incursions into Goonspace.


That will be fun. The stupid part about it is that that's exactly what the null sec guys want, though.

But I think it'll be fun to go visit null once in a while and try to break some gate camps without sov backing us. While we're in there, maybe we can throw down some of them siphons.
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#11 - 2013-11-08 19:52:11 UTC
Jythier Smith wrote:
That will be fun. The stupid part about it is that that's exactly what the null sec guys want, though.

That's not stupid, that's awesome. Working as intended. Spacefights for everyone! Glory to the State!
Trii Seo
Goonswarm Federation
#12 - 2013-11-08 20:29:29 UTC
Scherezad wrote:
Jythier Smith wrote:
That will be fun. The stupid part about it is that that's exactly what the null sec guys want, though.

That's not stupid, that's awesome. Working as intended. Spacefights for everyone! Glory to the State!


Rawr, to hell wiht the Empire Dogs! Glory to the independent Outer Regions, browncoats unite!

If people organize better, it'll become an actual fight both sides will enjoy more. Just throw away the notion of "ohgod I will die" and have fun shooting stuff. Die or not, you'll be part of something awesome.

Proud pilot of the Imperium

Arek'Jaalan: Heliograph

Tyler Nietzsche
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-11-08 20:36:42 UTC
Trii Seo wrote:
Scherezad wrote:
Jythier Smith wrote:
That will be fun. The stupid part about it is that that's exactly what the null sec guys want, though.

That's not stupid, that's awesome. Working as intended. Spacefights for everyone! Glory to the State!


Rawr, to hell wiht the Empire Dogs! Glory to the independent Outer Regions, browncoats unite!

If people organize better, it'll become an actual fight both sides will enjoy more. Just throw away the notion of "ohgod I will die" and have fun shooting stuff. Die or not, you'll be part of something awesome.


The whole point of (most) of the Hi/Low experience is: That you don't have to organize! Not bow to the political ruler. Not follow a doctrine. Not to follow ethics mapped out of someone else. Dying is fine. Losing is fine. But if you cannot go it alone, real life is even more tempting that this.
Trii Seo
Goonswarm Federation
#14 - 2013-11-08 21:01:50 UTC
Tyler Nietzsche wrote:
The whole point of (most) of the Hi/Low experience is: That you don't have to organize! Not bow to the political ruler. Not follow a doctrine. Not to follow ethics mapped out of someone else. Dying is fine. Losing is fine. But if you cannot go it alone, real life is even more tempting that this.


Then an unorganized force is likely to be decimated. We don't "bow" or "follow ethics" either. The rule is simple: not blue, shoot it.

And you can disobey the doctrine, of course and become a legend like Baltec1 who, through his persistence in flying Megathrons, has a doctrine named after him (Baltecfleet). All it takes is kind of... realizing you're not a special snowflake, I guess and there's nothing wrong with following commands.

Hell, in our AHAC fleet there was a goddamn 5 bil Mach (Flying full halos too) that chose to fly this way because he could. He lived and scored some kills, we declared him a Morale-Mach and tried to get him killed, laughing as he survived time and time again.

Contrary to the rumoured attitude of "htfu" "pvp" and all that, 0.0 crowd tends to be really chill.

Proud pilot of the Imperium

Arek'Jaalan: Heliograph

Phox Jorkarzul
Deep Void Merc Syndicate
#15 - 2013-11-08 22:06:51 UTC
Arn Dog wrote:
Awesome idea.

Next time can we bring Null Sec corps into H.S via an island syno and we can have a 3000 man gate camp set up to kill them all when they try and get out? Sounds like great fun lol I enjoy a good pigeon shoot.

Yes by all means please do this.

Blasters for life

https://neverpheedthetroll.blogspot.com

Phox Jorkarzul
Deep Void Merc Syndicate
#16 - 2013-11-08 22:09:13 UTC
Scherezad wrote:
All this makes me want to do is organize the highsec player base a little more so that we aren't rolled quite so easily next time. Maybe start up some Caldari State Incursions into Goonspace.

Again great IDEA, first have them join FacWar so they get a chance to pop their PvP cherry. after a month you'll be fine to take them Venal and play around.

Blasters for life

https://neverpheedthetroll.blogspot.com

Phox Jorkarzul
Deep Void Merc Syndicate
#17 - 2013-11-08 22:12:28 UTC
Carnip wrote:
N'maro Makari wrote:
Carnip wrote:
Phox Jorkarzul wrote:

Yea it was probably awful in 10% TiDi but it was something new.

Didn't read all your stuff. Being in a pile of sh*t is awful, but also something new (at least for me). Does it mean I should do it?


You should probably read before offering an opinion. Just as a common courtesy.


You should not be posting more. Because you are not very good at it. Just as a common courtesy.


And even with is terribad post he is more enlighten than you cause he reads.

Blasters for life

https://neverpheedthetroll.blogspot.com

Tyler Nietzsche
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2013-11-08 22:15:24 UTC
Trii Seo wrote:
Tyler Nietzsche wrote:
The whole point of (most) of the Hi/Low experience is: That you don't have to organize! Not bow to the political ruler. Not follow a doctrine. Not to follow ethics mapped out of someone else. Dying is fine. Losing is fine. But if you cannot go it alone, real life is even more tempting that this.


Then an unorganized force is likely to be decimated. We don't "bow" or "follow ethics" either. The rule is simple: not blue, shoot it.

And you can disobey the doctrine, of course and become a legend like Baltec1 who, through his persistence in flying Megathrons, has a doctrine named after him (Baltecfleet). All it takes is kind of... realizing you're not a special snowflake, I guess and there's nothing wrong with following commands.

Hell, in our AHAC fleet there was a goddamn 5 bil Mach (Flying full halos too) that chose to fly this way because he could. He lived and scored some kills, we declared him a Morale-Mach and tried to get him killed, laughing as he survived time and time again.

Contrary to the rumoured attitude of "htfu" "pvp" and all that, 0.0 crowd tends to be really chill.


I don't care. You won't touch me. Simpleton. There is always something wrong with following commands. Doctrine is the key word. The key word to reject.
Aynen
Federal Guard and Recon Corporation
#19 - 2013-11-08 22:15:33 UTC
I completely agree that they need to keep going, though I very much doubt that they considered stopping completely.
I've said it many times and I'll say it again: The 2010 pre-Incursion live events are the best experience I've ever had in a game, by far! Live events can elevate a game experience to far beyond what sticking to the game mechanics can do. They've succeeded at this before, and they can do it again! But the last live event wasn't the way to get there.
Phox Jorkarzul
Deep Void Merc Syndicate
#20 - 2013-11-08 22:31:59 UTC
Aynen wrote:
I completely agree that they need to keep going, though I very much doubt that they considered stopping completely.
I've said it many times and I'll say it again: The 2010 pre-Incursion live events are the best experience I've ever had in a game, by far! Live events can elevate a game experience to far beyond what sticking to the game mechanics can do. They've succeeded at this before, and they can do it again! But the last live event wasn't the way to get there.


While the last live event was flawed, I would say that with over 3000 people in both staging areas and in another 500 people across Null the event was sucessful in bring people together. Live events can be better and you are write we need to keep encouraging CCP to do more of these events.

Blasters for life

https://neverpheedthetroll.blogspot.com

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