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Probably the WORST event I've wasted my time on in my 10 years of EVE ...

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Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
#561 - 2013-11-08 18:40:17 UTC
James Fonsworth wrote:
I can see where people were upset about the tidi, the rally points should have been much closer than what they were but

You were all warned you would probably be killed yet you are still complaining about it. If you want to be a highsec carebear and not ever be killed, don't go to ******* nullsec.

Explain the logic of knowing you might be killed, getting killed, then getting mad at the person who told you that you might get killed

HTUF or GTFO

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This isn't what people are in uproar about so read posts correctly, STFU and spell 'HTFU' correctly.

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Killerjock
Von Neumann Industries
#562 - 2013-11-08 18:43:15 UTC
disasteur wrote:
yes u want a free ticket, u trusted CCP it means ur either stupid or just a noob, u went willingly to null and believed it was lag free to,dude get a live but maybe not in eve cus it seems no the to be the right place for you


So, when you have no further arguments you lose your spelling ability too? I hope you're not a native speaker Lol.

TIDI was just part of the problem. What most people complain about is that we ended up stranded through half the empire without any clear indication as to the objective of it all. We spent hours roaming without any clue. I heard there were NPCs and a station - HEARD it; I couldn't get there in time. Most of us did not.
There has been no event for us - I don't give a damn about the 20m rax I flew in, it was a casualty the moment i undocked, and it was cheap for that reason. I'd have liked to be at the event, but couldn't. That's what I'm complaining about: I spent hours of my time for... nothing.
There was nothing to do except making people happy for another killmail - 24 T3 ships killing a 20m thorax.... will surely change a killboard ;)

As per my life, I suggest you stick to what you know - I understand it's a narrow enough space - instead of commenting on things you obviously know nothing about Lol
Jythier Smith
BGG Wolves
#563 - 2013-11-08 18:47:05 UTC
Killerjock wrote:
Jythier Smith wrote:
Okay. Hisec guys.
TDI sucks. That could have been avoided - it's a gameplay/server issue, NOT a roleplay issue.
But we've got some serious roleplay issues going down now, don't we?


Well, you might have a roleplay issue. I surely don't.

I could not care less about role playing and I will not be forced into it just because you decided to entertain selective schizophrenia. Go play "roleplay" in EVE if you want. Don't tell me I have to - when I want to roleplay I go play a ROLE PLAYING GAME. You know, tabletop.
TIDI isn't the issue. Go back and actually read what people complain about, might give you some insight.

This is ESPECIALLY true since the NPC corps did not tell me where to go. TWITTER did. CCP on Twitter, to be precise.
Get a grip.



Oh, so you're flying a spaceship around in real life?

Or are you just PLAYING the ROLE of a capsuleer?

Hmm.

Also, reading what people wrote, TIDI was a huge problem. Getting led into an ambush was also not looked at favorably, but again, who told you to jump into the ambush? Your in game FC, no?

Just because tabletop games are also RPGs doesn't make EVE NOT an RPG.
Teinyhr
Ourumur
#564 - 2013-11-08 18:47:46 UTC
The one and only problem with this event was that it was already called being over while there were still hundreds of people trying to trek to the target system through twentysomething fully time dilated systems. Literally hundreds of people showed up perhaps an hour after ISD whatstheirface declared that serpentis won the battle. Well, we had already wasted hours to get to the target system so most of us decided to continue and battle the 0.0 hordes for no reason at all. Obviously we were going to lose from the start and that was fine with me. But it could have gone at least a bit different and it would have been awesome if I could have attented the actual CCP run event, but alas, no.

I left Meves the exact same time as the CCP actor did, but arrived almost an hour later than they did. The simple matter of fact is that it was utterly poorly planned by CCP as an event. For one they should have given us more time to arrive, and arrive in force, not trickle in as easily killable tiny groups. My fleets FC was actualluy surprisingly capable so we managed to put up a bit of a fight - but, as said, probably an hour later after the event was called over by CCP.
David Kir
Hotbirds
#565 - 2013-11-08 18:50:44 UTC
Jythier Smith wrote:


Oh, so you're flying a spaceship around in real life?

Or are you just PLAYING the ROLE of a capsuleer?

Hmm.

Also, reading what people wrote, TIDI was a huge problem. Getting led into an ambush was also not looked at favorably, but again, who told you to jump into the ambush? Your in game FC, no?

Just because tabletop games are also RPGs doesn't make EVE NOT an RPG.


Yes, EVE is technically a role-playing game.

The FC acted under CCP directions.

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Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#566 - 2013-11-08 18:50:55 UTC
haha I bet if CCP tried to lead a bunch of unprepared hisec care bears to null to purposefully get them ganked by nullsec gate camps they wouldn't have as much success as they had here.

Magnificent job CCP. Something like this could only have come about by supreme incompetence. Remember, never attribute to malice that witch can be attributed to incompetence.

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disasteur
disasterous industries
#567 - 2013-11-08 18:54:02 UTC
Killerjock wrote:
disasteur wrote:
yes u want a free ticket, u trusted CCP it means ur either stupid or just a noob, u went willingly to null and believed it was lag free to,dude get a live but maybe not in eve cus it seems no the to be the right place for you


So, when you have no further arguments you lose your spelling ability too? I hope you're not a native speaker Lol.

TIDI was just part of the problem. What most people complain about is that we ended up stranded through half the empire without any clear indication as to the objective of it all. We spent hours roaming without any clue. I heard there were NPCs and a station - HEARD it; I couldn't get there in time. Most of us did not.
There has been no event for us - I don't give a damn about the 20m rax I flew in, it was a casualty the moment i undocked, and it was cheap for that reason. I'd have liked to be at the event, but couldn't. That's what I'm complaining about: I spent hours of my time for... nothing.
There was nothing to do except making people happy for another killmail - 24 T3 ships killing a 20m thorax.... will surely change a killboard ;)

As per my life, I suggest you stick to what you know - I understand it's a narrow enough space - instead of commenting on things you obviously know nothing about Lol


kudos for your nice insults, i hope you have fun on the next event
David Kir
Hotbirds
#568 - 2013-11-08 18:57:58 UTC
disasteur wrote:

kudos for your nice insults, i hope you have fun on the next event


You're welcome; I hope you try to avoid behaving like an illiterate arse next time.

Friends are like cows: if you eat them, they die.
Killerjock
Von Neumann Industries
#569 - 2013-11-08 18:59:03 UTC
Jythier Smith wrote:
Oh, so you're flying a spaceship around in real life?
Or are you just PLAYING the ROLE of a capsuleer?


By this definition, Call of Duty is a RPG (you're playing the role of a soldier); Gran Turismo is a RPG (you're playing the role of a pilot) and Super Mario is an RPG (you play the role of an italian plumber); and Monopoly as well since you play the role of a shoe/candle/car?
Your definition is a bit to wide, in my opinion.

Besides, you were argumenting we should direct our rage to the factions; Faction do not exist - not anymore than my Thorax existed. They can not "decide" anything or drive me anywhere.
disasteur
disasterous industries
#570 - 2013-11-08 18:59:59 UTC  |  Edited by: disasteur
David Kir wrote:
disasteur wrote:

kudos for your nice insults, i hope you have fun on the next event


You're welcome; I hope you try to avoid behaving like an illiterate arse next time.


sorry i want referring to you, and dont give a sh*t about your insults as for all i care u can KMA
Optimus Junkis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#571 - 2013-11-08 19:01:19 UTC
The bottom line is basically everybody that was there got scammed into a killbox. Everybody listened and trusted CCP and followed them into a killzone. Than CCP basically just pointed and laughed.

Which is fine, whats one of the first things you should have learned playing this game? Don't trust anybody, even if your sleeping with them. Everybody thought since it was CCP they'll protect you or somehow make all the null sec alliances disappear.

Well guess what? CCP walked you into the lions den and the lion was not only there but hungry as hell. So everybody got owned. But you should have at least learned something from this if nothing else that you can't trust even CCP in eve. They will screw you just as fast as any other scammer out there.

Now if you'll excuse me i need to log my other toon in and tend to the market, ship sells are slightly higher than average right now :)
Tyler Nietzsche
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#572 - 2013-11-08 19:15:16 UTC
Optimus Junkis wrote:
The bottom line is basically everybody that was there got scammed into a killbox. Everybody listened and trusted CCP and followed them into a killzone. Than CCP basically just pointed and laughed.

Which is fine, whats one of the first things you should have learned playing this game? Don't trust anybody, even if your sleeping with them. Everybody thought since it was CCP they'll protect you or somehow make all the null sec alliances disappear.

Well guess what? CCP walked you into the lions den and the lion was not only there but hungry as hell. So everybody got owned. But you should have at least learned something from this if nothing else that you can't trust even CCP in eve. They will screw you just as fast as any other scammer out there.

Now if you'll excuse me i need to log my other toon in and tend to the market, ship sells are slightly higher than average right now :)



That's Ok. Dying is fine. Getting awoked is fine. But missing the whole thing by 23 jump TD10. Missing all content. Missing any hint of a point or a reason. That is unforgivable.

I kind of get the "tear farmers" from reading this thread. I like drama. But not shooting fish in a barrel. If I would enjoy that, I would lose all self respect. This thread offers lots of drama. My feeling is that CCP is not to gain from it.
Emiko P'eng
#573 - 2013-11-08 19:16:27 UTC
Well!

An event at a time when I can take part, great Big smile

EVE is a dangerous place and intellegence gathering is king!

Rubicon has Ghost Pirate sites + CCP holding live event = a fight in low or null sec with a High Sec, CCP & maybe NPC force against CCP, Null Sec force & NPCs (Sounds like a great introduction to PvP) Big smile

Goto EVE University fit out my Navy Slicer for PvP, haven't got the foggiest idea how to really fly a PvP fit but hey! Big smile

Prospect of being cannon fodder for a Null Sec Alliance or the faint chance I might actually have a faint chance of destroying a null sec player ship, nerve wracking Smile

Get to Sarum Prime at 18:40. Following chat to find Ihal is next way point, jump out at 18:50

Get to Ihal at 20:19 after the mother of jump treks average TiDi ~12% Sad (Impressed by coding of TiDi though)

Reports come in that the event has finished already as the Null Sec fleet had a hour to set up due to no TiDi on their routes!
As a result they had already destroyed CCP, the NPCs and the objective and were now camping the gates with a huge instant kill camp for anyone who made it through the porridge! Roll

Headed for home disappointed!

Suggestions for next event:

  • Reinforce ALL the systems going to be involved with the event!
  • Alliances can jump bridge & Cyno. Then surely Empires should at least have similar technology!
  • Modern battles run on information. I saw 2 posts in chat by a Pilot who was 'most likely' supposed to be leading the battle. Again Alliances can set up voice channels, Mumble, Teamspeak etc.. EVE even has one built in. No information on anything like that for fast communications


Will I go to another event, maybe!

Was this an organisational debacle, Yes!
Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
#574 - 2013-11-08 19:18:50 UTC
Optimus Junkis wrote:
Everybody thought since it was CCP they'll protect you or somehow make all the null sec alliances disappear.


Wrong on so many levels which means your reading comprehension skills are lower than CCPs it would seem.

The "rage" is about the lack of info, organisation, infrastructure and everyone that participated WANTED to get a fight...they JC'd for it, brought ships they were willing to die in...just none of that happened and hence the rage.

Try to read what most people are posting rather than reading what you want into it and then crap-posting the above like so many others.

We came knowing and willing to lose our ships and clones...not to die to TiDi hell trying to get to staging point after staging point and the RP LIVE Event organisers complete lack of skills is organising and running such an event. Oh and I heard the "Actors" got bored and blew the objective any way.

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Optimus Junkis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#575 - 2013-11-08 19:25:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Optimus Junkis
Tyler Nietzsche wrote:
Optimus Junkis wrote:
The bottom line is basically everybody that was there got scammed into a killbox. Everybody listened and trusted CCP and followed them into a killzone. Than CCP basically just pointed and laughed.

Which is fine, whats one of the first things you should have learned playing this game? Don't trust anybody, even if your sleeping with them. Everybody thought since it was CCP they'll protect you or somehow make all the null sec alliances disappear.

Well guess what? CCP walked you into the lions den and the lion was not only there but hungry as hell. So everybody got owned. But you should have at least learned something from this if nothing else that you can't trust even CCP in eve. They will screw you just as fast as any other scammer out there.

Now if you'll excuse me i need to log my other toon in and tend to the market, ship sells are slightly higher than average right now :)



That's Ok. Dying is fine. Getting awoked is fine. But missing the whole thing by 23 jump TD10. Missing all content. Missing any hint of a point or a reason. That is unforgivable.

I kind of get the "tear farmers" from reading this thread. I like drama. But not shooting fish in a barrel. If I would enjoy that, I would lose all self respect. This thread offers lots of drama. My feeling is that CCP is not to gain from it.


Oh don't get me wrong, i'm not taking any sides on this. I mean on one hand you have the nearly 3k players that CCP just bent over and drilled without even buying them a drink first. On the other hand you have a sizable group of people that defended there space and have every right to bash the people complaining about it all they want. So i have chosen no sides just acknowledged that CCP royally screwed nearly 3k carebears and while giving a large number of pvpers a really good time.

But hey more power to them for holding there own and keeping people out of there space. I mean i know why people are pissed and it's not that they lost a ship, got killed, podded or even spent hours at some staging area or jumping two dozen gates. It's the fact that CCP left them to die and was about as on target with it's organization as a blind archer.


So both sides did what was expected of them... the null sec alliances defended there systems as always. the carebears blindly followed a "trusted" person into null sec and died. the results of both sides where predictable.
Jythier Smith
BGG Wolves
#576 - 2013-11-08 19:28:59 UTC
Killerjock wrote:
Jythier Smith wrote:
Oh, so you're flying a spaceship around in real life?
Or are you just PLAYING the ROLE of a capsuleer?


By this definition, Call of Duty is a RPG (you're playing the role of a soldier); Gran Turismo is a RPG (you're playing the role of a pilot) and Super Mario is an RPG (you play the role of an italian plumber); and Monopoly as well since you play the role of a shoe/candle/car?
Your definition is a bit to wide, in my opinion.

Besides, you were argumenting we should direct our rage to the factions; Faction do not exist - not anymore than my Thorax existed. They can not "decide" anything or drive me anywhere.


RPGs also include character development over the course of the game. Tell me more about your lack of employment history and how you don't train any skills.
Optimus Junkis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#577 - 2013-11-08 19:32:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Optimus Junkis
Maximus Aerelius wrote:
...
Try to read what most people are posting rather than reading what you want into it and then crap-posting the above like so many others.
...


I have read what people are saying and i agree that CCP screwed this whole thing up so badly that it's amazing at the level of screw up that's happened here. I understand that people are pissed not because they died, they expected to some degree to die and had excepted that.

So don't think i'm trying to bash people that got screwed here. I understand why there angry and they have every right.
David Kir
Hotbirds
#578 - 2013-11-08 19:32:05 UTC
Jythier Smith wrote:

RPGs also include character development over the course of the game. Tell me more about your lack of employment history and how you don't train any skills.


You're pointlessly discussing semantics.
RPG or not, the event was organized by CCP, and they're responsible for its outcome.

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Lyrith Turalyon
Turalyon Star
#579 - 2013-11-08 19:32:37 UTC
Here was our experience of it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7sTkO8rIK0&feature=share&list=PLI1o-KsnrFyMEFIPzfxFurLxuvvPWVd3V

Thanks CCP

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Herbinator d'Arcadie
Arkadian Knight
#580 - 2013-11-08 19:34:19 UTC
H-sec proved it was willing to participate. No denying that!

I think most h-sec'rs frame EVE as a role playing game. There was a role implied here. And h-sec responded.

And then they were sacrificed for 0-sec jollies.

Anomaly One wrote:
First event, last event

**** this ****

Leaving h-sec, as it has always been, will be based firmly on my terms.

"Block" pigs. Refuse to fly with them.